DUST Search - Nerf heavies? Really?!

J0LLY R0G3R wrote:

Bradric Banewolf wrote:

In the words of jesus Chrysler "you're doing it wrong". Heavies go down relatively easy. Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome.

You're slow, or slower than most. Overheat is ridiculous, and cool down is 10 god d*mn seconds which is long enough to get shot gunned 40 times. Everyone is in your way! Guys trying to use you as a mobile meat shield. Friendlies blocking your shots as they ridiculously strafe in front of your hmg between you and enemy heavies. (Which I just find utterly ridiculous) The friendlies don't bring ammo, links, scanners, needles, etc. All the assaults think it's the logis job only. They're only suppose to shoot.

Being a heavy isn't what it used to be. Yes there are some perks, but it's serious work now. The HMG already overheats in an instant, especially in PC. What do you want us slow movers to lose? Damage? If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?! That's why we don't use the assault version. It's too weak! That's why I got almost every suit version. Because you zealots are ridiculous!

Is there anything you don't want nerfed? Instead of using the word nerfed, say tweak or balance. You noobs don't know how dangerous the word "nerf" can be in the hands of CCP! They will obliterate your weapons! I was an AR user long before you bums found the GB-9! I ran it when it wasn't cool to do. I remember the Flay lock funeral. The death of the laser rifle. Most of your currently favorite weapons have been reincarnated recently.

Now the ScR damage against armor definitely needs a tweak if we're talking about balancing weapons, but that's a whole different thread.

I'd like to run a heavy for a day or two. Can you hook me up with average fit? Should I try to get a logi out of local to help prop me up or do you think friendles ngame are up to the task


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Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 659	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:15:00 - [1] - Quote In the words of jesus Chrysler "you're doing it wrong". Heavies go down relatively easy. Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome. You're slow, or slower than most. Overheat is ridiculous, and cool down is 10 god d*mn seconds which is long enough to get shot gunned 40 times. Everyone is in your way! Guys trying to use you as a mobile meat shield. Friendlies blocking your shots as they ridiculously strafe in front of your hmg between you and enemy heavies. (Which I just find utterly ridiculous) The friendlies don't bring ammo, links, scanners, needles, etc. All the assaults think it's the logis job only. They're only suppose to shoot. Being a heavy isn't what it used to be. Yes there are some perks, but it's serious work now. The HMG already overheat in an instant, especially in PC. What do you want us slow mover to lose? Damage? If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?! That's why we don't use the assault version. It's too weak! That's why I got almost every suit version. Because you zealots are ridiculous! Is there anything you don't want nerfed? Instead of using the word nerfed, say tweak or balance. You noobs don't know how dangerous the word "nerf" can be in the hands of CCP! They will obliterate your weapons! I was an AR user long before you bums found the GB-9! I ran it when it wasn't cool to do. I remember the Flay lock funeral. The death of the laser rifle. Most of your currently favorite weapons have been reincarnated recently. Now the ScR damage against armor definitely needs a tweak if we're talking about balancing weapons, but that's a whole different thread. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 660	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:22:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Jesus Chrysler still plays? And he's a straight gangsta in my humble opinion lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 660	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:29:00 - [3] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out... Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG... Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 660	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:34:00 - [4] - Quote Two min assault M-1's can obliterate a heavy at close range! Caldari scouts are a fcking nightmare with that shtty hit detection, and a shotgun. These guys haven't been a heavy, or they would know that running assault or scout is easier now. Also, being a logi makes tons more isk than being a heavy. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 660	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:39:00 - [5] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out... Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG... Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities. I don't really care about OP stopping power, I just find it hilarious when I see a fat man with a little gun. Never tried the Magsec, I got a couple mil SP doing nothing, think I might give it a go. It's got roughly the damage of the basic AR, clip size is 58, it's damage is hybrid (shield and armor), and it's range is far enough to keep guys off you while you move to cover. 350 ammo capacity, and the charge up is only .30 Also use the ion pistol and sub in cqc. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 661	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:52:00 - [6] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out... Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG... Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities. I don't really care about OP stopping power, I just find it hilarious when I see a fat man with a little gun. Never tried the Magsec, I got a couple mil SP doing nothing, think I might give it a go. It's got roughly the damage of the basic AR, clip size is 58, it's damage is hybrid (shield and armor), and it's range is far enough to keep guys off you while you move to cover. 350 ammo capacity, and the charge up is only .30 Also use the ion pistol and sub in cqc. Hybrid - Rail* As it is rail tech, it is receives a buff to armor damage and a debuff against shield s. (Still in my teaching mode, sorry) The AR is labeled hybrid isn't it? It's a shield weapon isn't it? By that logic I simply assumed all hybrid weapons faired well against both with stronger tendencies to one or the other. Don't wanna give out incorrect info so someone please clarify. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:23:00 - [7] - Quote Ok, I see every thread has to be a darn argu mentioned smh. I'm game for now. Responses on the way. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:43:00 - [8] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: In the words of jesus Chrysler "you're doing it wrong". Heavies go down relatively easy. Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome. You're slow, or slower than most. Overheat is ridiculous, and cool down is 10 god dmn seconds which is long enough to get shot gunned 40 times. Everyone is in your way! Guys trying to use you as a mobile meat shield. Friendlies blocking your shots as they ridiculously strafe in front of your hmg between you and enemy heavies. (Which I just find utterly ridiculous) The friendlies don't bring ammo, links, scanners, needles, etc. All the assaults think it's the logis job only. They're only suppose to shoot. Being a heavy isn't what it used to be. Yes there are some perks, but it's serious work now. The HMG already overheats in an instant, especially in PC. What do you want us slow movers to lose? Damage? If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?! That's why we don't use the assault version. It's too weak! That's why I got almost every suit version. Because you zealots are ridiculous! Is there anything you don't want nerfed? Instead of using the word nerfed, say tweak or balance. You noobs don't know how dangerous the word "nerf" can be in the hands of CCP! They will obliterate your weapons! I was an AR user long before you bums found the GB-9! I ran it when it wasn't cool to do. I remember the Flay lock funeral. The death of the laser rifle. Most of your currently favorite weapons have been reincarnated recently. Now the ScR damage against armor definitely needs a tweak if we're talking about balancing weapons, but that's a whole different thread. I'd like to run a heavy for a day or two. Can you hook me up with average fit? Should I try to get a logi out of local to help prop me up or do you think friendles ngame are up to the task Pic one you like, or the racial one for you. Play to their strengths. If you're decent a logi is simply a bonus. I rarely have one. To be fair I probably have more logis that I didn't request than the ones that I did. I have the gal sentinel, and I like it the way it is. I didn't at first, but it grew on me. I used to like the amarr slot layout, but the gal layout is much more versatile. I don't absolutely have to have a logi in my rectum with the gal sent. The Amarr is your resident brick tank sentinel. With it comes a life time of tripping over logis, taking damage, and moving like a snail?! The Caldari sentinel is a good sentinel to me, but according to most players I've talked to it's missing something. I ran one on an alt, and loved the forge capabilities and the shield regen capability. It's the only heavy I would use the assault hmg's on. I used to run a Cal sent C-1 series with a MO-4 all the time. It's relatively quick, and the regen is insane. The problem with most cal sent players is they should've picked an Amarr sent instead due to their play styles. They all wanna be the door kicker heavy. The gallent sentinel is NOT for brick tanking! It's also one of the best self rep platforms of all the heavies. In my opinion it ties for 1st in reps with the min heavy. The problem is players want to brick tank it. Not judging, I did it too when ccp changed the slot layouts between amarr and gallente sentinels. I continued to try to brick tank like with no success. It's proven to be better for speed, reps, and dps. Run the burst on this heavy! The minmatar heavy is the one heavy I have absolutely no experience running with, but when it comes to running against them I'm a vet lol! They kick my ss regularly lol! They're very fast, regen capability is grade A, and they can avoil death very well. Their slots are the most balanced for maximum versatility. The down side to sentinels is obvious, but for people who are getting smashed by heavies I say in the words of Jesus Chrysler "you're doing it wrong". The frontal assault with any scout and shotgun is a suicide mission, and just plain disrespectful. You are asking to get showered in bullets when you do this. Nerfing the heavy or the hmg won't fix stupid. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:50:00 - [9] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Bradric Banewolf vs CCP Rattati Banewolf: Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Rattati: There are so many reasons to nerf heavies Banewolf: Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome. Rattati: If I want to feel better about myself and get some guaranteed kills, I go sent-hmg. Banewolf: If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?! Rattati: Then we will increase the fitting bonus to HMG and decrease CPU/PG, like last time. Rattati and myself have clearly seen eye to eye on most issues in this game. Oops lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:08:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: QQ my suits OP and its going to be nerfed soon, which it should have been months ago, but I hate that my role may actually take skill QQ FTFY What do you mean "my suit"? I have four.... so nerfing it won't really effect me lol! I just know what this game would look like if you nerf heavies. You've been playing a while right? You remember assault 514? Every assault suit with an AR running around killing everyone?! I don't miss that foolishness, and players are entitled to having their choice of playstyle. Not everyone wants to run ambush in assault suits?! Now what is it you guys want nerfed? The heavy or the HMG? You say the heavy because you know the HMG has no room for nerfs already. So let's talk nerfing heavies. What are they sooooooo good at that they need to be nerfed? Holding objectives? I mean with short ranged weapons they surely aren't taking out across open fields to fight scouts. Most scouts complain because they spend all their time trolling heavies with remotes anyway. Then they're p*ssed when the heavy, with no precision or damp, out smarts them and gives them a load in the face lol! Heavies can forge, but again are victims to the scout when he appears out of no where with a shotgun. That sidearm better be pretty solid, or you're done for. I prefer using swarms or a plasma cannon for AV especially since forges have lost their splash on the main version. Now most forging heavies are anywhere but near a point.... usually one a perch of some sort playing an AV role.... what are you doing way out there with him? Helping your team with the AV threat? I'll give you that one lol! Going after a eWAR blind easy kill by himself while you're cloaked isn't what you were doing at all.... Sentinel bonuses are great, but could you imagine heavies with no resistance? They're called commandos lol! They get shredded often, and if the commando doesn't kill you almost instantly they're toast?! The problem isn't the heavy. Scouts just spend alot of time trying to attack everything like they weigh 10 tons. Then when they chase an assault into two of his friendly heavies they expect to escape. "Anybody order chaos?"

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:10:00 - [11] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: I wouldn't say nerf heavies but I would politely ask them to stop moaning about RE's. Agree 100%! Alot of heavies complain about RE's like they aren't bricked out with three logis?! How else would you like someone to stop the train? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:12:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Jack McReady wrote: my secret anti heavy buster: min assault mk0 3 complex shield extenders 1 complex shield recharger 2 complex shield regulators 2 complex kin cats proto shotgun proto smg proto flux compact hive use keyboard and mouse. the key is to abuse the sprint speed to move around a heavy and kill the logi behind him. for that you need to be able to do quick precise turns between sprints and shoot him in the face then keep on sprinting. they heavy will at most scratch your shields if you do it right and you can keep farming kills from the logis around him because they are easy to kill. if logis are dead the heavy will simply crumble sooner or later by the damage of your team. the fit still has flux + smg combo for ranges where you cant get close and shotgun fails. avoid open fields and medium to long range combat with your speed at all cost. If you can do this props to you. However, Im almost 100% certain you can't. Using KB/M on a fast suit is a terrible idea because your hit detection SUCKS if you are fast with out aim assist. If you haven't seen it in action you're missing out. It's totally done by guys you know! They dance in front of heavies like we're firing sunflower seeds, and in most cases can kill you without even loosing shield. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:17:00 - [13] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: waaah my win button might go away. it's not that hard to be a heavy, get over yourselves. You know I started that term right? The proverbial "I win button" was cast by yours truly here in the forums. Also, I have four proto suits to include both scouts and heavies.... you can't nerf me, and I never post simply for myself. I truly don't see how nerfing heavies needs to be on the top of CCP's sh*t list right now. They have bigger fish to fry, and until you find another job for heavies other than forge, door kicker, and point defense nerfing us won't do anything. You'll be sending heavies to the redline with tanks. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 665	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:19:00 - [14] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Jack Boost wrote: How easy is kill solo HMG-heavy now.. you can see at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzGqTqIFce0 Even in optimal best DPS on paper weapon with best EHP suit ... you are... weak. the heavies in his video have horrible aim... This is a true statement, but alot of the time min assaults, like cal scouts, are terrible when it comes to hit detection. "Anybody order chaos?"