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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.01.09 01:54:00 -
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A bunch of people reccommend to get you core skills up (cpu,pg armor,shield etc.) Which is fine but the amount of SP you need to buy them is ridiculous.
Today i purchased Engineering level 4 and heres how much i got for some of my suits
On my ADV Amarr Logi i got 2 pg 60-62
On my gk.0 scout i got 4 pg 88-92
and on my ADV Amarr Assault i got 2 pg 60-62
Ok great what in the world am i gonna be able to do with 2-4 pg?!?!?!
The cost for the skill doesn't make me happy either
At level 4 getting 2-4 pg or 15-18 cpu costs 435,300 sp
At level 5 it costs 777k sp. These sp costs are insane
I like the sp cost of the Dropsuit Core Upgrades better but they give 1% cpu and pg which the CPU is very little and the pg difference isn't noticable.
For Example i got it and my ADV Am logi and Assault stayed at 60 pg
With the same sp cost per level as a weapon operation skill, i believe the weapon is a better bang for your buck giving you 5% reduction to kick for a rail rifle or +1 bullet for an ScP; in other words it's more useful
Same goes for the Dropsuit armor skill, it doesn't give me a noticable difference. It gave me 20 armor on my Sentinel and 7 on my scout.
I propose a reduction in sp cost for these passive skills, or an increase to how much they give you i.e instead of 5% cpu increase make it 10% or 15%
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
439
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Posted - 2015.01.09 01:58:00 -
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No
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3447
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:00:00 -
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I see no problems here.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6935
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:01:00 -
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Dude, sometimes 1 PG or 1 CPU is all that stands between your suit being able to run a standard weapon, advanced weapon or a proto weapon. I have more than five fits where I'm using every single PG point I have.
You don't need to have CPU or Engineering to five, but three for both is pretty good. Biotics in my opinion are a must have for all suits because it will give you five percent more base movement speed, something that no other skill or module will give you.
I know that level four and five are expensive, but they are expensive because CCP is trying to make things challenging (and trying to get people to buy boosters). Making things cheaper would defeat the purpose.
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PLAYSTTION
Corrosive Synergy
448
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:06:00 -
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What aztec said.
also, 2-4 pg is a lot. thats like getting 20-40 cpu. Now do you see the advantage? you want as much as you can get, and then basic suits can run complex gear. It may cost a lot of sp but thats what an advantage like this is gonna cost you.
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
1576
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:08:00 -
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The fitting reductions add up. |
Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3604
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:10:00 -
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lolno you do also realize their the most cost effective skills as they apply to all suits and 2-4 PG is a lot.
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:11:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dude, sometimes 1 PG or 1 CPU is all that stands between your suit being able to run a standard weapon, advanced weapon or a proto weapon. I have more than five fits where I'm using every single PG point I have.
You don't need to have CPU or Engineering to five, but three for both is pretty good. Biotics in my opinion are a must have for all suits because it will give you five percent more base movement speed, something that no other skill or module will give you.
I know that level four and five are expensive, but they are expensive because CCP is trying to make things challenging (and trying to get people to buy boosters). Making things cheaper would defeat the purpose.
I can see that
Biotic passives i have no problem with as you need to get it to 5 for KinKats and proto mods is good to have for your proto suit.
With Core Upgrades 4 CPU 4 and PG 4 it gets close fitting what i need on my suit
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Give me da iskiez
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5680
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:20:00 -
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I've always told people to skill up fitting skills as needed.
Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2759
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:26:00 -
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While they are worth getting (at least to 4) I agree that they are WAY too high. They should be x3 MAX, which is still a decent investment. In Eve they're both x1 skills.
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:27:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While they are worth getting (at least to 4) I agree that they are WAY too high. They should be x3 MAX, which is still a decent investment. In Eve they're both x1 skills.
Yea they are way too much for how much they give you
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Give me da iskiez
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
441
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:32:00 -
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Not everything in the game should be achievable in a couple weeks of grinding. Sorry.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6936
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:33:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While they are worth getting (at least to 4) I agree that they are WAY too high. They should be x3 MAX, which is still a decent investment. In Eve they're both x1 skills.
EVE: Online is not free-to-play.
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:33:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Not everything in the game should be achievable in a couple weeks of grinding. Sorry.
Well if lowering costs isn't possible increase amount given to atleast 7%
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Give me da iskiez
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA
Academy Inferno
E-R-A
247
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:37:00 -
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Zindorak I'm for "no" as well like others.
Don't forget that skilling in light/heavy/sidearm operation plus each weapon's optimalization skill will give U far more cpu/PG.
Full core skills plus unlocked weapons give You enough bonus to change basic module for complex one. Not to mention better tier weapon.
If there's a situation that two players with exactly same gaming skill fight with each other, one with core skills up will win.
Core skills apply to all your suits no matter what race or type of suit You will play.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
1063
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:39:00 -
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You'd be surprised at how many fits I come up short by 1 or 2 pg. Its worth it, plus fitting ops.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2760
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:39:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While they are worth getting (at least to 4) I agree that they are WAY too high. They should be x3 MAX, which is still a decent investment. In Eve they're both x1 skills. EVE: Online is not free-to-play.
Not with that attitude.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
441
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:41:00 -
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That last level 5 is so worth it in all your upgrades and it should take a while to complete, but once full you will see it is exactly the right amount to fit your suits perfectly. Increasing bonus to 7 percent would make getting level 5 pointless and why would you want that?
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1604
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:43:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:That last level 5 is so worth it in all your upgrades and it should take a while to complete, but once full you will see it is exactly the right amount to fit your suits perfectly. Increasing bonus to 7 percent would make getting level 5 pointless and why would you want that?
So i can fit more on my suits I can't even fit all advanced on my Amarr Assault
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Give me da iskiez
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
441
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:55:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:That last level 5 is so worth it in all your upgrades and it should take a while to complete, but once full you will see it is exactly the right amount to fit your suits perfectly. Increasing bonus to 7 percent would make getting level 5 pointless and why would you want that? So i can fit more on my suits I can't even fit all advanced on my Amarr Assault
It takes time bro. Trust me I feel ya. I'm at 53 mil lifetime sp and there's still places I wish I had just 1 or 2 pg/cpu more. You'll eventually find yourself needing to get into fitting optimizations, bringing weapons operation to 5 and other places you can steal a few pg/cpu from to make perfect fits. It should take a very long time to do. With omega boosters for sale again anyone can earn millions and millions of sp in a single week and it shouldn't be possible for someone to max their cores that fast.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4996
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:57:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:That last level 5 is so worth it in all your upgrades and it should take a while to complete, but once full you will see it is exactly the right amount to fit your suits perfectly. Increasing bonus to 7 percent would make getting level 5 pointless and why would you want that? So i can fit more on my suits I can't even fit all advanced on my Amarr Assault
Dude I have all skills maxed and I can fit all advance on my standard amarr assault, given I don't use equipment or grenades on any of my fits because I find them pointless.
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Miokai Zahou
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
444
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Posted - 2015.01.09 03:02:00 -
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Your proposal is bad and you should feel bad.
Also.
No.
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
3059
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Posted - 2015.01.09 03:03:00 -
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Engineering and Electronics are probably the most powerful skills in the game. Not even joking. A Basic Suit with Advanced/Complex modules is 'game-breaking' which is what those skills are meant to do. While they are necessary skills to max, new players shouldn't rush for them because you need to be pushing that PG/CPU limit. You are probably pushing those limits so those skills are great.
If you think that 20 armor is more powerful than 3 PG or 10 CPU, I can only say that you are valuing the number rather than the statistic it is helping.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16470
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Posted - 2015.01.09 03:07:00 -
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Core Skills for a reason.
High Cost but necessary for some of the best fits.
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
520
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Posted - 2015.01.09 03:44:00 -
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Like divorces, their expensive because they are worth it.
Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5404
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Posted - 2015.01.09 04:13:00 -
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Cores are always worth it, even in real life. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6939
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Posted - 2015.01.09 04:20:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Cores are always worth it, even in real life.
My core in real life is weak and I do track & XC so no excuses 
Well I do have an abnormally large ribcage that makes it look like I have pecks  so there's my excuse.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
3017
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Posted - 2015.01.09 04:41:00 -
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Your trying to quantify the time spent versus the actual number amount.
This isn't how DUST or EVE works...
CCP makes a suit with fitting limitations.. Then makes a skill tree.. So the 5-10-15% increases to base skills.
They then run a math algorithm that determines all the possible fits... They then review it via a spread sheet and check all the shield values, Armor values.. Dps outputs.. etc...
When you increases these passive skills... It allows you to push the very threshhold of how CCP has designed the games items and statistics for end content..
It has nothing to do with having huge numbers so you can feel you "Accomplished" something... It doesn't work like this in EVE either.
It is about getting to the max ability set in CCP's game of any suit and item that you use.
And the time has NEVER been quicker to get skillpoints and spec into things.... Open Beta didn't even allow you to earn skillpoints this quick. |
Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
RISE of LEGION
20
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Posted - 2015.01.09 04:56:00 -
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I'm pretty iffy on this one...
Imho, the fitting skills are only needed for fits that push the limits of your suit.
E.g: (dont do it) fitting a cloak on an assault. Now, to do that (some hectic builds) fitting is the difference between geting that extend, regulator, plate, etc. However! I feel like a slight. (6% per level) would be nice because i hate having builds where i'm over by 1 cpu...
In this sense, i wasn't able to fit a regulator on my cloak assault because i was 1 pg over, the skill allows me to optimise my fit and make it more effective at my intended goal.
Lol but hey, it's for either cheapness (run a basic w/ adv mods) or extreme fittings *cough cough* plc cal assault.
But who'd really ask for 6% per level? Lol. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
5085
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Posted - 2015.01.09 07:20:00 -
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For real tho, 2 more PG on an Amarr logi suit is f*cking gold! TBH every last bit of fitting power you can get your hands on as a logI is 100% necessary!
You are right about one thing, some of the other cores are not a good return on investment after level 4. Take shields for example, if you don't run Caldari suits getting that last few % is soooo not worth it.
(The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
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