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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.09 01:54:00 -
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A bunch of people reccommend to get you core skills up (cpu,pg armor,shield etc.) Which is fine but the amount of SP you need to buy them is ridiculous. Today i purchased Engineering level 4 and heres how much i got for some of my suits On my ADV Amarr Logi i got 2 pg 60-62 On my gk.0 scout i got 4 pg 88-92 and on my ADV Amarr Assault i got 2 pg 60-62 Ok great what in the world am i gonna be able to do with 2-4 pg?!?!?! The cost for the skill doesn't make me happy either At level 4 getting 2-4 pg or 15-18 cpu costs 435,300 sp At level 5 it costs 777k sp. These sp costs are insane I like the sp cost of the Dropsuit Core Upgrades better but they give 1% cpu and pg which the CPU is very little and the pg difference isn't noticable. For Example i got it and my ADV Am logi and Assault stayed at 60 pg With the same sp cost per level as a weapon operation skill, i believe the weapon is a better bang for your buck giving you 5% reduction to kick for a rail rifle or +1 bullet for an ScP; in other words it's more useful Same goes for the Dropsuit armor skill, it doesn't give me a noticable difference. It gave me 20 armor on my Sentinel and 7 on my scout. I propose a reduction in sp cost for these passive skills, or an increase to how much they give you i.e instead of 5% cpu increase make it 10% or 15%
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:11:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dude, sometimes 1 PG or 1 CPU is all that stands between your suit being able to run a standard weapon, advanced weapon or a proto weapon. I have more than five fits where I'm using every single PG point I have.
You don't need to have CPU or Engineering to five, but three for both is pretty good. Biotics in my opinion are a must have for all suits because it will give you five percent more base movement speed, something that no other skill or module will give you.
I know that level four and five are expensive, but they are expensive because CCP is trying to make things challenging (and trying to get people to buy boosters). Making things cheaper would defeat the purpose. I can see that Biotic passives i have no problem with as you need to get it to 5 for KinKats and proto mods is good to have for your proto suit. With Core Upgrades 4 CPU 4 and PG 4 it gets close fitting what i need on my suit
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:27:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While they are worth getting (at least to 4) I agree that they are WAY too high. They should be x3 MAX, which is still a decent investment. In Eve they're both x1 skills. Yea they are way too much for how much they give you
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:33:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Not everything in the game should be achievable in a couple weeks of grinding. Sorry. Well if lowering costs isn't possible increase amount given to atleast 7%
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:43:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:That last level 5 is so worth it in all your upgrades and it should take a while to complete, but once full you will see it is exactly the right amount to fit your suits perfectly. Increasing bonus to 7 percent would make getting level 5 pointless and why would you want that? So i can fit more on my suits I can't even fit all advanced on my Amarr Assault
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1605
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Posted - 2015.01.09 12:51:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Your proposal is bad and you should feel bad.
Also.
No. Y so mean
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1605
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Posted - 2015.01.09 12:55:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Your trying to quantify the time spent versus the actual number amount.
This isn't how DUST or EVE works...
CCP makes a suit with fitting limitations.. Then makes a skill tree.. So the 5-10-15% increases to base skills.
They then run a math algorithm that determines all the possible fits... They then review it via a spread sheet and check all the shield values, Armor values.. Dps outputs.. etc...
When you increases these passive skills... It allows you to push the very threshhold of how CCP has designed the games items and statistics for end content..
It has nothing to do with having huge numbers so you can feel you "Accomplished" something... It doesn't work like this in EVE either.
It is about getting to the max ability set in CCP's game of any suit and item that you use.
And the time has NEVER been quicker to get skillpoints and spec into things.... Open Beta didn't even allow you to earn skillpoints this quick. i didn't know this much thought has been put into the skill trees
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1605
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Posted - 2015.01.09 12:58:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Zindorak wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Your proposal is bad and you should feel bad.
Also.
No. Y so mean This proposal is rather poorly considered. Passive skill bonuses are the most potent advantage in the game and always has. The reason for this is simple. Everyone focuses on crap like BPOs, apex suits and prefits. CCP is primarily making money selling SP. If the SP advantage becomes nil, they will have to find another way to monetize the game and very few of those ways will ever turn enough profit to keep the lights on for very long, or they will cater to pay to win turds who want to buy their victories with their paychecks. And while boosters are neat, they are hardly necessary to put the screws into someone. Makes sense
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1608
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Posted - 2015.01.10 01:55:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Zindorak wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:That last level 5 is so worth it in all your upgrades and it should take a while to complete, but once full you will see it is exactly the right amount to fit your suits perfectly. Increasing bonus to 7 percent would make getting level 5 pointless and why would you want that? So i can fit more on my suits I can't even fit all advanced on my Amarr Assault If you have your ENG & ELEC, Light Weapon Op, Sidearm Op, Explosives Op, and all the individual weapon optimizations maxed you can fit much more than someone not as specialized. This is a HUGE SP investment and one not many are willing to make, but I think that's a good thing. Especially with the ability to gain/earn SP is so much faster now. Oh i thought Electronics, core upgrades and engineering were the only way to get more cpu for other things
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1611
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Posted - 2015.01.10 04:01:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:GǪNo, Zindorak. There are a dozen ways to push-or-pull the Skill categories in order to make CPU or PG room for a module type you want to fit. The solution players often jump on is "I will follow the advice of friends who tell me to sink SP into the Core CPU Increase Skill, so I can increase my suits cpu capacity and fit the Ice-creamer modules I want to use". Total SP costGǪ1 mill, 400K. Much of the time it's as clear cut as "I must invest SP in Ice-cream Operation Skill, to lower the amount of CPU each ice-creamer module will suck from my suit." Total SP costGǪ 777K Sometimes, it's "I can add SP to the Spoon-shine Skill--which reduces how much PG my Spoon-shiner modules eat up---thus allowing me to use 2 complex Spoon-shine modules instead of the 3 advanced Spoon-shine modules--which frees up one of my low-slots so I can fit a CPU module--thus finally increasing the cpu I need to fit the Ice-creamer module". Total SP costGǪ 560K Dust is such a fantastic oddity, that it isn't wrong to spend ONE day each week (just one afternoon) NOT doing any fitting adjustments or purchases in the market, and just STUDY the Skill Tree for interesting relationships. Many of us might agree, it is NOT an easy tree to wrap you head around, so the suggestion of doing extra "homework" studying the Skill Tree isn't as goofy a suggestion as you may think. To be able to figure out the "Ice-creamer" solution I just made up, you have to spend time making friends with a pencil, paper, and the Skill Tree. (And I was LOUSY at math in school ). Sometimes, sometimes, rethinking math CAN be fun, not listening to players (even Celesta) when they tell you "Level-5 on THIS" can be the wiser path,GǪ and Dust is a game that invites players to try being mad-geniuses who find a left-handed way to achieve their objectives. Those are some good ideas you gave me ima go study the skill tree when i go on next time
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Gk0 Scout yay :)
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