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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:08:00 -
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I still kill protosuits with Militia default suits so I have to disagree. My only problem is redline snipers
Proud Christian
Jesus Loves You
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Warbot Titan X
The Evil Geniuses
88
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:10:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Pft. How is that Pay to win? So you get a few extra sp after buying some aurum. I'll say this once, loud and clear, so pay attention.
USING INSTANT BOOSTER WILL NOT GRANT YOU AUTOMATIC GOD STATUS. WE WILL ALL STILL KILL YOU JUST AS EASILY AS EVERYONE ELSE.
well said my friend, well said.
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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:11:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Pft. How is that Pay to win? So you get a few extra sp after buying some aurum. I'll say this once, loud and clear, so pay attention.
USING INSTANT BOOSTER WILL NOT GRANT YOU AUTOMATIC GOD STATUS. WE WILL ALL STILL KILL YOU JUST AS EASILY AS EVERYONE ELSE. Would you agree with people being able to instantly buy as much SP as they would like then? They can to an extent. It's called Instant Boost, which is what we're talking about here...?
I could not resist that one.
Resident pasty smasher
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ScI-Iurk
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
41
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:22:00 -
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Some of the top players never spent money on the game. I have spent a bunch and am definently not a top player. All you can buy is less grind. That is not p2w. If that idea freaks you out buy bf5 complete for Gé¼150 at the releaseday. Maybe that makes you feel more even with the other players. Nothing is free. Here you get to decide what you want to buy. Stop all the QQ about a game trying to make money.
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Sequal's Back
Les Desanusseurs
39
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:19:00 -
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Money is not what makes you win in dust, neither is your gear or the way you play. These will make the difference sometimes. But in the end, you just need to lag like hell and you'll wreck everything on your path.
Remember the TeamPlayers back in the days? Followed by the Escrow Removal and Acquisition, and now the Fatal Absolution. All these corporations were (and are) lagging like hell so they win their battle.
More sp dont give you a lvl6 suit, it's lvl5 for everybody. So paying for them doesnt make the game pay to win ^^
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
91
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:36:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Z3dog wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:It's pay to win because you can't complete the mission unless you pay for it. That is the very definition of pay to win. Completing that mission nets you nothing useful anyway. All my savant missions have been rewarding me with 1-Day Passive boosters, plus you only have to do three to get the Bonus reward. It's most certainly not p2w, it's more like "Pay to receive optional extra" uhhh no. You often have to do all 10 to get the bonus reward. As the OP is clearly talking about his missions today, it's not all 10 because of the Christmas event.
The key word in my post is often. Any day it could require 10 missions and you would need to pay to complete all 10 and get the bonus reward.
Dust 5/14
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
91
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:43:00 -
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ScI-Iurk wrote:Some of the top players never spent money on the game. I have spent a bunch and am definently not a top player. All you can buy is less grind. That is not p2w. If that idea freaks you out buy bf5 complete for Gé¼150 at the releaseday. Maybe that makes you feel more even with the other players. Nothing is free. Here you get to decide what you want to buy. Stop all the QQ about a game trying to make money.
Like who? Which of the top players have never spent money on this game? And which of the top players have. I guarantee most if not all the top players have spent money on this game.
Why don't you actually read through the thread and look for a post that says CCP shouldn't make money.
Sequal's Back wrote:Money is not what makes you win in dust, neither is your gear or the way you play. These will make the difference sometimes.
WAT?
Dust 5/14
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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IREK Ladybox
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:47:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Another one. Hey 'little' buddy. Now listen carefuly. Pay to win means having something for real $ that is better than stuff from game for ingame currency. Now, go play some CoD. Over there => No, thats not pay to win. Thats pay to get stuff you could buy anyway. Thats also how they keep the game you people ***** about non stop, online and keep paying devs for their t8me, listening to your afore mentioned bitchin. |
Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1443
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:52:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Pft. How is that Pay to win? So you get a few extra sp after buying some aurum. I'll say this once, loud and clear, so pay attention.
USING INSTANT BOOSTER WILL NOT GRANT YOU AUTOMATIC GOD STATUS. WE WILL ALL STILL KILL YOU JUST AS EASILY AS EVERYONE ELSE. You over here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2541995#post2541995 Pretty much what this guy said and showed. With P2W here people that pay can earn more sp than the average use and get more proto fits
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3625
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Posted - 2014.12.29 02:19:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:It's pay to win because you can't complete the mission unless you pay for it. That is the very definition of pay to win.
So you don't complete the mission......so what? You don't get the reward, so what?
pay to win is being able to buy a gun or dropsuit that is stronger or better than the gear that comes free. that is the very definition of pay to win. If you can't get the same gear of skills that another pays aur for, then it is pay to win.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5754
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:56:00 -
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Everyone has the access to the same gear and skill sets. Paying AUR doesn't net you a special AR with a 120m optimal range, 80 round clip, 2m splash radius, and no recoil.
Your argument is invalid. Please refrain from shitposting again in the future.
My advice to you, playa...
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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2014.12.29 08:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Everyone has the access to the same gear and skill sets. Paying AUR doesn't net you a special AR with a 120m optimal range, 80 round clip, 2m splash radius, and no recoil.
Your argument is invalid. Please refrain from shitposting again in the future.
That was the most polite slamdown ever! Do you even wear tophats bro? I at least expect a monocle!
Resident pasty smasher
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
7625
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Posted - 2014.12.29 08:23:00 -
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-Glances over newspaper with a deadpan expression.-
Your first mistake was claiming anything was pay-to-win to this community, knowing full well that the definition of "pay-to-win" changes frequently to allow those features...
Aeon's Links
In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
1209
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Posted - 2014.12.29 08:40:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Daily mission:
Savant - Activate Instant Booster 2 times. OH SNAP where do I send my credit info to win? I've been on a loosing streak in fw and I haven't seen the "Buy to win FW" pack anywhere.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
92
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:35:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Everyone has the access to the same gear and skill sets. Paying AUR doesn't net you a special AR with a 120m optimal range, 80 round clip, 2m splash radius, and no recoil.
Your argument is invalid. Please refrain from shitposting again in the future.
Nobody is denying that we all have access to the same skill sets, just that if you pay you have access to more skill sets in a shorter amount of time.
Also paying aur DOES "net you a special AR". They're called officer weapons and you can buy them by opening strongboxes.
Did you even read the thread? Did you even think before you posted? Take your own advice and stop shitposting.
Dust 5/14
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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7th Son 7
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:39:00 -
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c'mon if I can go 11-7 and have over 1000wp w/a new character it's def not pay to win |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6598
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:42:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Daily mission:
Savant - Activate Instant Booster 2 times.
Ok.
SO i Pay, i activate instant booster twice.
tell me, WHAT DO I WIN?
(to know the reason you are QQ in this thread)
Playing as : Calmando, Calscout & Calassault.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5758
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:51:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Nobody is denying that we all have access to the same skill sets, just that if you pay you have access to more skill sets in a shorter amount of time.
Also paying aur DOES "net you a special AR". They're called officer weapons and you can buy them by opening strongboxes. Strongboxes aren't the only place to earn officer weaponry and you can earn keys from missions and salvage. Buying AUR does not guarantee you an officer weapon, does it?
Paying money to have access to something sooner isn't pay-to-win. It's just being impatient. You could spend nothing on Dust 514 and still earn loyalty rank, SP, and ISK. It won't be as quick, but you can make yourself feel better with the knowledge that you aren't paying a dime for this game.
My advice to you, playa...
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3573
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Posted - 2014.12.29 19:50:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:It's pay to win because you can't complete the mission unless you pay for it. That is the very definition of pay to win. Completing that mission nets you nothing useful anyway. All my savant missions have been rewarding me with 1-Day Passive boosters, plus you only have to do three to get the Bonus reward. It's most certainly not p2w, it's more like "Pay to receive optional extra" But what if the daily reward is a key for the completion of 10 missions but you can't complete 10 missions w/out spending the aurum on that one.
Fatal Absolution Director
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
94
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Z3dog wrote:Nobody is denying that we all have access to the same skill sets, just that if you pay you have access to more skill sets in a shorter amount of time.
Also paying aur DOES "net you a special AR". They're called officer weapons and you can buy them by opening strongboxes. Strongboxes aren't the only place to earn officer weaponry and you can earn keys from missions and salvage. Buying AUR does not guarantee you an officer weapon, does it? Paying money to have access to something sooner isn't pay-to-win. It's just being impatient. You could spend nothing on Dust 514 and still earn loyalty rank, SP, and ISK. It won't be as quick, but you can make yourself feel better with the knowledge that you aren't paying a dime for this game. Important note: we are about to have simple player trading in February. ISK-only players can purchase officer gear from other players if they want, further reducing the idea that AUR is the only way to get officer gear.
Nobody is saying strongboxes are the only place to earn officer weaponry. I'm saying someone who buys aurum can obtain a significant amount more than someone who doesn't and therefore can use them more consistently.
You can normally only earn keys in missions if you pay aurum and getting keys in salvage is incredibly rare. So far i have gotten 0 keys in salvage.
Buying AUR statistically DOES guarantee you an officer weapon when you spend it on keys and strongboxes.
Paying money to have access to something sooner is p2w especially when non paying players have no hope to catch up to or keep pace with a regularly paying player. Loyalty rank is a good example.
Dust 5/14
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5758
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:20:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Nobody is saying strongboxes are the only place to earn officer weaponry. I'm saying someone who buys aurum can obtain a significant amount more than someone who doesn't and therefore can use them more consistently. I have opened 20 strongboxes in the last week. A whooping 2 of them contained officer gear.
2...
The rest was AUR advanced and standard gear in varying amounts. I think I got some proto Caldari assaults once.
Random numbers are a *****. "Significantly amount more" is a bit of an exaggeration.
Z3dog wrote:You can normally only earn keys in missions if you pay aurum and getting keys in salvage is incredibly rare. So far i have gotten 0 keys in salvage. I've gotten the 'Complete X missions to get: AUR key' several times. It's usually 8+ missions, which is a pain, but I earned them all the same. If I have seen the mission then others have too.
Z3dog wrote:Buying AUR statistically DOES guarantee you an officer weapon when you spend it on keys and strongboxes.
Paying money to have access to something sooner is p2w especially when non paying players have no hope to catch up to or keep pace with a regularly paying player. Loyalty rank is a good example. I know mercs who have not spent money on Dust and yet they somehow manage to kill people just fine. Sometimes it takes them a week longer to get into a fitting they want, but at the end of that week they saved money so it's a fair trade.
Everyone's skills cap at V. Once you get to 15 - 20mil SP they start to lose their value. You can fit more protosuits, but your core skills are all maxed now so it starts coming down to your gun game and if you are soloing or with a squad.
It should be noted, that an officer anything does not guarantee you a win. My squads take down people fielding officer weaponry... I don't care what officer weapon you have, when six core locus grenades get tossed at your feet, you die.
My advice to you, playa...
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
94
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:53:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Z3dog wrote:Nobody is saying strongboxes are the only place to earn officer weaponry. I'm saying someone who buys aurum can obtain a significant amount more than someone who doesn't and therefore can use them more consistently. I have opened 20 strongboxes in the last week. A whopping 2 of them contained officer gear. 2... The rest was AUR advanced and standard gear in varying amounts. I think I got some proto Caldari assaults once. Random numbers are a *****. "Significantly amount more" is a bit of an exaggeration. Z3dog wrote:You can normally only earn keys in missions if you pay aurum and getting keys in salvage is incredibly rare. So far i have gotten 0 keys in salvage. I've gotten the 'Complete X missions to get: AUR key' several times. It's usually 8+ missions, which is a pain, but I earned them all the same. If I have seen the mission then others have too. Z3dog wrote:Buying AUR statistically DOES guarantee you an officer weapon when you spend it on keys and strongboxes.
Paying money to have access to something sooner is p2w especially when non paying players have no hope to catch up to or keep pace with a regularly paying player. Loyalty rank is a good example. I know mercs who have not spent money on Dust and yet they somehow manage to kill people just fine. Sometimes it takes them a week longer to get into a fitting they want, but at the end of that week they saved money so it's a fair trade. Everyone's skills cap at V. Once you get to 20mil SP they start to lose their value. You can fit more protosuits, but your core skills are all maxed now so it starts coming down to your gun game and if you are soloing or with a squad. It should be noted, that an officer anything does not guarantee you a win. My squads take down people fielding officer weaponry... I don't care what officer weapon you have, when six core locus grenades get tossed at your feet, you die.
An officer weapon does not guarantee you a win and it doesn't need to. You only need to get an advantage that you payed for for it to be p2w.
2 strongboxes out of 20? I wonder how many non paying mercs have opened 20 strongboxes. That also means that you received 6 officer weapons, right? The amount is significant depending on HOW MUCH people PAY. This is a signature move for f2p games. They include some sort of mystery box that has x% chance to give out a rare item difficult to obtain by other means. The odds of getting one are kept low so non paying players won't have consistent access to them then paying players depending on how much they pay can potentially receive a limitless amount of these items.
Yeah keys are sometimes given out in small quantities if you complete 8-10 missions too bad pay to complete missions are almost always included. And if no keys are offered in a given day (which is more often than not) sucks for you if you don't want to pay to reroll.
Dust 5/14
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5758
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:57:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:An officer weapon does not guarantee you a win and it doesn't need to. You only need to get an advantage that you payed for for it to be p2w. Not true. You need to get an advantage that is not possible unless you pay real money, for it to be a P2W game. Paying AUR doesn't give me guns that an ISK-only player will never, ever, ever see.
Z3dog wrote:Yeah keys are sometimes given out in small quantities if you complete 8-10 missions too bad pay to complete missions are almost always included. And if no keys are offered in a given day (which is more often than not) sucks for you if you don't want to pay to reroll. When daily missions first launched I got one of those instant booster missions every day. Now I don't see them nearly as often. I would like to hear other merc's experiences with how often they see these missions. I wonder if the chances are driven by how much AUR you have in your wallet...
My advice to you, playa...
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1219
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Posted - 2014.12.29 22:17:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:It's pay to win because you can't complete the mission unless you pay for it. That is the very definition of pay to win. Since when did the goal of the game become completing daily missions?
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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neausea 1987
1.U.P
230
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Posted - 2014.12.29 22:51:00 -
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pay to win lmao, out of respect please dont sound like a scrub
SELF PROCLAIMED LORD OF THE DANCE AND MASTER OF THE FLANK AND SPANK (no cloak required) i hear & see you lol
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
1123
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Posted - 2014.12.30 08:17:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Daily mission:
Savant - Activate Instant Booster 2 times.
That's actually "pay-to-get-crappy-rewards" lol. Unless the reward you got from that allowed you to win every match played since.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
1124
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Posted - 2014.12.30 08:19:00 -
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My god, i just browsed the posts here.
Pay to win is only a thing when the item bought can only be obtained via purchase with RL money and gives an unfair advantage.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
1124
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Posted - 2014.12.30 08:34:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:An officer weapon does not guarantee you a win and it doesn't need to. You only need to get an advantage that you payed for for it to be p2w.
NO, you need an advantage THAT YOU CAN ONLY GET WITH REAL MONEY. This is not the case.
I haven't paid for a single officer weapon and yet I have hundreds of them, with 100s more on the way once I can trade them from my alts. Seriously, it would literally cost you a small fortune using strongbox keys to try to "buy" more officer weapons than I have in my assets.
EDIT: This thread is boring me now.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Rowdy Railgunner
Capital Acquisitions LLC
486
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Everyone has the access to the same gear and skill sets. Paying AUR doesn't net you a special AR with a 120m optimal range, 80 round clip, 2m splash radius, and no recoil.
Your argument is invalid. Please refrain from shitposting again in the future. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=186494&find=unread If they offered this for Aurum it would be pretty damn close. ANd I would buy the **** out of them. |
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