DUST Search - Vehicle regen (work in progress)

Pokey Dravon wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to.

Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger

opposed to how it currently works which is

STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen

which I find to be....rather messed up.

easily accomplished by setting base HAV shield Regen to regen the shield buffer in 60s...can we add in natural armor regen below Natural Shield Regen...as It is a nice convinience to have on derpsuits, I think vehicles could benefit from it (currently my idea is basing the base armor Regen for the HAVs off the natural regen time of the Heavies)

Oh god no. Please don't suggest armour ever have passive regeneration. Don't ruin HAV for me like you did infantry.

I could see the argument for dropsuits because dropsuits, typically, will hybrid tank to some extent. This is not true for vehicles, and thus the need is unwarrented.

*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.

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The-Errorist 937	Posted - 2014.12.26 12:40:00 - [31] - Quote I've updated both the shield and armor repair values. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 938	Posted - 2014.12.26 22:42:00 - [32] - Quote bump MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4207	Posted - 2014.12.27 20:01:00 - [33] - Quote Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to. Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger opposed to how it currently works which is STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen which I find to be....rather messed up. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 137	Posted - 2014.12.27 20:39:00 - [34] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to. Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger opposed to how it currently works which is STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen which I find to be....rather messed up. easily accomplished by setting base HAV shield Regen to regen the shield buffer in 60s...can we add in natural armor regen below Natural Shield Regen...as It is a nice convinience to have on derpsuits, I think vehicles could benefit from it (currently my idea is basing the base armor Regen for the HAVs off the natural regen time of the Heavies) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
The-Errorist 938	Posted - 2014.12.29 14:33:00 - [35] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to. Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger opposed to how it currently works which is STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen which I find to be....rather messed up. easily accomplished by setting base HAV shield Regen to regen the shield buffer in 60s...can we add in natural armor regen below Natural Shield Regen...as It is a nice convinience to have on derpsuits, I think vehicles could benefit from it (currently my idea is basing the base armor Regen for the HAVs off the natural regen time of the Heavies) Did you guys even read my updated values? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16336	Posted - 2014.12.29 22:51:00 - [36] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to. Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger opposed to how it currently works which is STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen which I find to be....rather messed up. easily accomplished by setting base HAV shield Regen to regen the shield buffer in 60s...can we add in natural armor regen below Natural Shield Regen...as It is a nice convinience to have on derpsuits, I think vehicles could benefit from it (currently my idea is basing the base armor Regen for the HAVs off the natural regen time of the Heavies) Oh god no. Please don't suggest armour ever have passive regeneration. Don't ruin HAV for me like you did infantry. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4244	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:01:00 - [37] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to. Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger opposed to how it currently works which is STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen which I find to be....rather messed up. easily accomplished by setting base HAV shield Regen to regen the shield buffer in 60s...can we add in natural armor regen below Natural Shield Regen...as It is a nice convinience to have on derpsuits, I think vehicles could benefit from it (currently my idea is basing the base armor Regen for the HAVs off the natural regen time of the Heavies) Oh god no. Please don't suggest armour ever have passive regeneration. Don't ruin HAV for me like you did infantry. I could see the argument for dropsuits because dropsuits, typically, will hybrid tank to some extent. This is not true for vehicles, and thus the need is unwarrented. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16336	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:12:00 - [38] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to. Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger opposed to how it currently works which is STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen which I find to be....rather messed up. easily accomplished by setting base HAV shield Regen to regen the shield buffer in 60s...can we add in natural armor regen below Natural Shield Regen...as It is a nice convinience to have on derpsuits, I think vehicles could benefit from it (currently my idea is basing the base armor Regen for the HAVs off the natural regen time of the Heavies) Oh god no. Please don't suggest armour ever have passive regeneration. Don't ruin HAV for me like you did infantry. I could see the argument for dropsuits because dropsuits, typically, will hybrid tank to some extent. This is not true for vehicles, and thus the need is unwarrented. begins to cry Pokey lead us into a bright new future! You have my sword. "He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 137	Posted - 2014.12.30 03:35:00 - [39] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Heres a thought, as a general principle to adhere to. Natural Shield Regen < STD Armor Repair < STD Shield Recharger < ADV Armor Repair < ADV Shield Recharger < PRO Armor Repair < PRO Shield Recharger opposed to how it currently works which is STD Armor Repair < ADV Armor Repair < PRO Armor Repair < Natural Shield Regen which I find to be....rather messed up. easily accomplished by setting base HAV shield Regen to regen the shield buffer in 60s...can we add in natural armor regen below Natural Shield Regen...as It is a nice convinience to have on derpsuits, I think vehicles could benefit from it (currently my idea is basing the base armor Regen for the HAVs off the natural regen time of the Heavies) Oh god no. Please don't suggest armour ever have passive regeneration. Don't ruin HAV for me like you did infantry. Eh, it was just an idea (with a gunnlogi having a total of 6 hp/s passive armor regen under the system I would propose for it) but I'd be fine with it not being added in...either way would work Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
The-Errorist 938	Posted - 2014.12.30 07:44:00 - [40] - Quote Can we please discuss the numbers, especially the ones from the OP that got revised (all of it)? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).

taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 271	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:36:00 - [41] - Quote Hope there is a long delay before the passive repairs set it 10-15 seconds minimum, only way it's worth considering. If not its just a buff of 1-2 shots from Proto swarms needed before the veichle is killed under normal not challenging conditions.
The-Errorist 938	Posted - 2014.12.31 00:35:00 - [42] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Hope there is a long delay before the passive repairs set it 10-15 seconds minimum, only way it's worth considering. If not its just a buff of 1-2 shots from Proto swarms needed before the veichle is killed under normal not challenging conditions. Armor repair should never have a delay like shields, that would make it pointless. Lets look at this without skills or the +20% against armor, and these other hypothetical constraints: Proto swarms deal 312 damage per missile, have a 1.4s lock-on time, 4.5s reload, 3 clip size, and assume if it takes 5 whole seconds for the missiles to hit the Soma/Madrugar with 25 hp/s base repair. It would have repaired 3+ù(1.4+5)+4.5 by time you have finished reloading which is only 23.7 armor HP. That can only save a tank from 1 missile, not 2. To potentially save that tank from the 2nd missile from a swarm launcher volley, you will have to reload over 13 times. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 966	Posted - 2015.01.21 09:57:00 - [43] - Quote bump MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 976	Posted - 2015.01.27 20:54:00 - [44] - Quote Added a spreadsheet and stats for Amarr and Minmatar vehicles. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
The-Errorist 985	Posted - 2015.01.31 02:25:00 - [45] - Quote Updated the shield recharge rates to be less extreme, how I want things to be have changed, and I have a more specific reason for those numbers. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).


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