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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:28:00 -
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Obviously these are not going to be nerfed and everyone getting beat by them is going to lead to more and more people using them.
Is it really worth sinking to such levels of scrubbery?
I would like to say no but looking at the advantages people are gaining over everyone and the fact that CCP does not seem to care one bit says it is only a matter of time before half the people left in the game are running them. Once this happens weapon balance based on these people will only nerf the players not using them even more such as in the case of the ScR near instantly over heating on any suit besides on Amarr assault. |
JL3Eleven
Ancient Exiles.
1991
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:33:00 -
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Get the N64 controller it's the bees knees.
Can I haz ur ISK?
Gimme dat box!
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6548
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:37:00 -
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The number of pessimists in Dust is disturbing.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4977
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:38:00 -
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Look inside yourself, and you will know the answer, Padawan.
Only the weak embrace the dark side...
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
350
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:44:00 -
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Have you no shame?
Robin Williams endorses this corp
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:44:00 -
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I bought something called the Intensafire 2.0 when i fractured my knuckles bout 18month ago and i couldn't quite press the trigger fast enough for my CR. i've tried it several times since and they're good for a couple of wepaons but tbh just learn to feather ACR, AR, AScR ect and if you're not very good witht he TAC or ScR then just leave them be. it wont make you XOMGUBERKILLAZOFDABESTEZ and for the -ú30 i wouldn't bother. i'd rather just buy a merc or elite pack or the new profiteer pack and have something to show for it
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
proud C-II bpo owner
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1436
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:49:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The number of pessimists in Dust is disturbing.
It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users. Out side of the Amarr Assault newbies don't have a chance with it. Everything they have tried to do to the combat rifle has still left turbo controller users still able to absolutely destroy anyone in their path with a little bit of strafing and some pinpoint accuracy courtesy of aim assist and their controller.
How is accepting these very clear facts pessimism? As long as these types of things are going on we may call turbo users scrubs but ultimately CCP is only increasing their advantage even more and nerfing those of us who would rather not waste money on a special controller for this game or be a loser that has to cheat at a game like Dust in the first place. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6508
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:54:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Obviously these are not going to be nerfed and everyone getting beat by them is going to lead to more and more people using them.
Is it really worth sinking to such levels of scrubbery?
I would like to say no but looking at the advantages people are gaining over everyone and the fact that CCP does not seem to care one bit says it is only a matter of time before half the people left in the game are running them. Once this happens weapon balance based on these people will only nerf the players not using them even more such as in the case of the ScR near instantly over heating on any suit besides on Amarr assault.
Well. People have fun in different ways.
I have fun knowing i ''survive'' Proto stomps of Squads/Q synced squads using Modded controllers and Keyboard & Mouse...
.... with my regular Ps3 controller and playing solo while being semi blind.
I dont need any cheap advantages....Because i do not ENJOY WINNING AND OWNING all the time...
But i say you should do it. Whenever you are thinking of taking a desision but are like: ''Should i? Shouldnt it? ..I probably shouldnt...''
Think of this: In a 100 years, someone will give a f**k ? No? DO IT.
Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1437
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:55:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I bought something called the Intensafire 2.0 when i fractured my knuckles bout 18month ago and i couldn't quite press the trigger fast enough for my CR. i've tried it several times since and they're good for a couple of wepaons but tbh just learn to feather ACR, AR, AScR ect and if you're not very good witht he TAC or ScR then just leave them be. it wont make you XOMGUBERKILLAZOFDABESTEZ and for the -ú30 i wouldn't bother. i'd rather just buy a merc or elite pack or the new profiteer pack and have something to show for it
p.s i still use it from time to time in winter when my fingers stiffen but because its adjustable i always set it to an acceptable rof and again unless you have some kinda physical restrictions its not really worth it
I know it does not give you god like powers or any of that BS. At the current rate the ScR will only be viable through turbo controller use. The overheat on any suit other than the Amarr assault is absolutely rediculous and the only explanation for it being this bad is that CCP allowed turbo controller user data into the pool thus nerfing the rest of us. I am certainly NOT screaming the ScR is UP as it is almost in a good place. The problem is that good place was not made for those of us that play the game fairly. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2014.12.24 16:12:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I bought something called the Intensafire 2.0 when i fractured my knuckles bout 18month ago and i couldn't quite press the trigger fast enough for my CR. i've tried it several times since and they're good for a couple of wepaons but tbh just learn to feather ACR, AR, AScR ect and if you're not very good witht he TAC or ScR then just leave them be. it wont make you XOMGUBERKILLAZOFDABESTEZ and for the -ú30 i wouldn't bother. i'd rather just buy a merc or elite pack or the new profiteer pack and have something to show for it
p.s i still use it from time to time in winter when my fingers stiffen but because its adjustable i always set it to an acceptable rof and again unless you have some kinda physical restrictions its not really worth it I know it does not give you god like powers or any of that BS. At the current rate the ScR will only be viable through turbo controller use. The overheat on any suit other than the Amarr assault is absolutely rediculous and the only explanation for it being this bad is that CCP allowed turbo controller user data into the pool thus nerfing the rest of us. I am certainly NOT screaming the ScR is UP as it is almost in a good place. The problem is that good place was not made for those of us that play the game fairly.
ScR kicks like a b**ch though. its ok for CQC spray and pray but for precision just use the weapon more to get comfortable with it and learn to charge a shot then follow up with a quick shot after. i've tried it with rapid fire and unless you're 5m away you're not really gonna hit that much before you over heat, even with proto amarr assault
also changing heat per hsot to heat per second pretty much encourages rapid fire mods. heat per shot allows a well skilled user to take the time to aim and fire properly with it. if u want spray n pray go with the AScR as for the weapons themselves then they're fine. they cut through shields like they're supposed to and they slightly struggle with armour like they're supposed to. complaining the ScR is poor vs Armour is like complaining CR/ACR are poor vs shields... they're supopsed to be poor vs the other. if you struggle to take down armour tankers then look at getting another type of weapon and choose that if you come up against certain suit types. if i'm in a game with a bunch of caldari sentinels i don't use my Combat rifles, i change to my breach or AScR, same as if i see a lot of amarr sentinels i change to a rail or combat rifle
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
proud C-II bpo owner
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
1468
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:02:00 -
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playstation move is all you need
TLDR : Last Dust Montage
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
697
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:14:00 -
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Get yourself a new game instead. And most modded controllers have crappy thumbsticks where it is impossible to aim with precision.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6509
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:17:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:playstation move is all you need
Roger Runs his scouts with PS MOVe. Awesome(er)
XD
Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6807
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:21:00 -
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No.
Don't be that guy.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1150
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:25:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:playstation move is all you need
Hahah I did this when we got Move's for some other game. ******* hilarious and impossible...but I killed someone LOL.
Anyway, for anyone considering a modded controller, I would suggest you use it with the Shotgun and Nova Knives, so that you feel better about doing it
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1438
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:50:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I bought something called the Intensafire 2.0 when i fractured my knuckles bout 18month ago and i couldn't quite press the trigger fast enough for my CR. i've tried it several times since and they're good for a couple of wepaons but tbh just learn to feather ACR, AR, AScR ect and if you're not very good witht he TAC or ScR then just leave them be. it wont make you XOMGUBERKILLAZOFDABESTEZ and for the -ú30 i wouldn't bother. i'd rather just buy a merc or elite pack or the new profiteer pack and have something to show for it
p.s i still use it from time to time in winter when my fingers stiffen but because its adjustable i always set it to an acceptable rof and again unless you have some kinda physical restrictions its not really worth it I know it does not give you god like powers or any of that BS. At the current rate the ScR will only be viable through turbo controller use. The overheat on any suit other than the Amarr assault is absolutely rediculous and the only explanation for it being this bad is that CCP allowed turbo controller user data into the pool thus nerfing the rest of us. I am certainly NOT screaming the ScR is UP as it is almost in a good place. The problem is that good place was not made for those of us that play the game fairly. ScR kicks like a b**ch though. its ok for CQC spray and pray but for precision just use the weapon more to get comfortable with it and learn to charge a shot then follow up with a quick shot after. i've tried it with rapid fire and unless you're 5m away you're not really gonna hit that much before you over heat, even with proto amarr assault also changing heat per hsot to heat per second pretty much encourages rapid fire mods. heat per shot allows a well skilled user to take the time to aim and fire properly with it. if u want spray n pray go with the AScR as for the weapons themselves then they're fine. they cut through shields like they're supposed to and they slightly struggle with armour like they're supposed to. complaining the ScR is poor vs Armour is like complaining CR/ACR are poor vs shields... they're supopsed to be poor vs the other. if you struggle to take down armour tankers then look at getting another type of weapon and choose that if you come up against certain suit types. if i'm in a game with a bunch of caldari sentinels i don't use my Combat rifles, i change to my breach or AScR, same as if i see a lot of amarr sentinels i change to a rail or combat rifle
I never said anything about armor tankers being an issue, I agree it is in a good place on armor versus shield damage. The problem is when used on any suit besides the Amarr assault it is barely a viable weapon. This is because the overheat has been tuned to attempt to hurt modded controller users when all it did was help them. |
Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
14677
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:57:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote: It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users..
Interesting...
CCP Rattati wrote:Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Fibo Gjenn
UNIVERSAL BANDAGE
25
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Posted - 2014.12.24 18:16:00 -
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I have tried playing with a turbo controller, and I do way worse, with the turbo. Can't repair, can't shoot turrets (rail), can't use BOLT pistol and there is a small delay, before the turbo kicks in.
Save the cash, unless you also play CoD. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1438
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Posted - 2014.12.24 19:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:deezy dabest wrote: It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users..
Interesting...CCP Rattati wrote:Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions.
I am not seeking justification at all. There is no way I would buy a modded controller for this game that we have no clue what the future holds. Every day I play Eve a little more and Dust a little less because of BS like this ruining Dust. Ultimately it is not the people using modded controllers fault, it is CCP's fault. As long as they balance based on data from these users and do not add mechanics that directly hurt those users it is only going to get worse. Randomized firing intervals under a certain amount of time to cause them to misfire and kick per shot instead of over time would be an excellent start.
I only point to the heat modifications on the ScR as an example of turbo controller users negatively impacting the users who choose not to use them. These people fall into the data that is collected for balancing and skew the data effectively causing regular users to be over nerfed. Go watch a Scrambler video using a modded controller and a video not using a modded controller and tell me which was the reason for heat build up reaching the level it did.
Saying modded controllers do not affect weapons balancing negatively is a bold faced lie. Unless you are able to identify and remove those users from the data they ARE affecting balance. Also, not all weapons are equally used by or equally benefit from modded controllers. The RR for example would gain zero benefit thanks to the charge up time while the TacAr or the combat rifle gets a massive advantage from a modded controller. |
P14GU3
Savage Bullet
966
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Posted - 2014.12.24 21:00:00 -
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Wait? What? You are saying the ScR nerf only helped modded controllers? The nerf (about 120 rpm in RoF IIRC,) brought the RoF more in line with average human fire rates. A person with a fast finger can now basically cap the RoF, unlike before.
All this means, is that a person with a fast finger, can now do EXACTLY what a turbo mod can do. There is virtually no reason to use a turbo mod on a ScR now. The only weapon that turbo mods are even viable on now are the Combat rifles because, well insane RoF...
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Vordred Knight
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
595
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Posted - 2014.12.24 21:22:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Look inside yourself, and you will know the answer, Padawan.
Only the weak embrace the dark side... Hey wait a darn minute
The dark side has many players who don't use those things...
people who use modded controllers are heretics also know as short dks
Don't Do Drugs while playing Eve
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
113
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Posted - 2014.12.24 21:30:00 -
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bought a ps4 controller when my ps3 cntrl died...no PS button, but we have a spare.
got a 19.00 wired controller at Walmart, has a "game cube" left thumb setup...no PS button, but no recharging.
my limitation of controllers knowledges is now documented.
save your money for a PS4, our's is awesome, but it is not DUSTy yet. |
Kaughst
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
804
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Posted - 2014.12.24 21:33:00 -
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CCP was talking about a way of blocking modded controllers or the sort...I would not put anything into it if the issues crops up again.
Don't think about that, think about all the money.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
5127
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Posted - 2014.12.24 22:03:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Only the weak embrace the dark side...
This.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
664
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:24:00 -
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Still using the out of the box controller that came with my fatboy ages ago.
It's beat upp battery don't hold charge no more must have it plugged. Idk I am old shool so it's the AR for me
War never changes
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
585
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:51:00 -
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Really don't know what to tell you. It sucks trying to play against such odds following the rules yourself while others don't. My honorable side would tell you to stay the course, and in the long run it will pay off. However, I don't know if CCP can or will do anything about this problem. My pissed off side says give the scrubs a taste of their own medicine!
I don't need it to do well.... nobody does. I've played fps games for some time, and know the modded controller crowds type. They're a bunch of hate mailing try hards. They like to judge all skill and ability on kd, which is ret*rded, and they don't see that this game is different from others in the past. They will, with good conscious, call others scrubs or bad players when they are cheating the whole time. They will point at their unbelievable kd like a tool of measurement to skill at the first sound of challenge.
I've thought about it as well so I can't kick you for simply stating what has crossed all of our minds in this situation. What I have come to conclude for myself is f*ck PC until this issue is rectified. I, for my own reasons, will not buy one of these controllers because it won't help the problem. It only adds to the pile of scrubs using them, and I'm no scrub. I'll continue to fight with my normal controller, and get better.
Know that if anything is ever done about the modded controllers these scrubs will have to quit the game because when they run into me I will be cleaning their clocks! I will be so used to fighting in extreme mode that when their crutch is gone they won't stand a chance.
Keep your money bro!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
585
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:55:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Atiim wrote:deezy dabest wrote: It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users..
Interesting...CCP Rattati wrote:Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions. I am not seeking justification at all. There is no way I would buy a modded controller for this game that we have no clue what the future holds. Every day I play Eve a little more and Dust a little less because of BS like this ruining Dust. Ultimately it is not the people using modded controllers fault, it is CCP's fault. As long as they balance based on data from these users and do not add mechanics that directly hurt those users it is only going to get worse. Randomized firing intervals under a certain amount of time to cause them to misfire and kick per shot instead of over time would be an excellent start. I only point to the heat modifications on the ScR as an example of turbo controller users negatively impacting the users who choose not to use them. These people fall into the data that is collected for balancing and skew the data effectively causing regular users to be over nerfed. Go watch a Scrambler video using a modded controller and a video not using a modded controller and tell me which was the reason for heat build up reaching the level it did. Saying modded controllers do not affect weapons balancing negatively is a bold faced lie. Unless you are able to identify and remove those users from the data they ARE affecting balance. Also, not all weapons are equally used by or equally benefit from modded controllers. The RR for example would gain zero benefit thanks to the charge up time while the TacAr or the combat rifle gets a massive advantage from a modded controller.
He's right.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
585
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:57:00 -
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Fibo Gjenn wrote:I have tried playing with a turbo controller, and I do way worse, with the turbo. Can't repair, can't shoot turrets (rail), can't use BOLT pistol and there is a small delay, before the turbo kicks in.
Save the cash, unless you also play CoD.
When is the last time you saw turBo controller users do anything but shoot main battle rifles?
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
587
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Posted - 2014.12.25 19:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:deezy dabest wrote: It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users..
Interesting...CCP Rattati wrote:Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions.
I'm afraid it didn't work. The ScR is a resident nightmare weapon all the same. You may survive a 1v1 every now and then, but multiply the effects of the modded controller by 2 or 3 shooters? 3 minmatar assault mk.0's with CR's will shred you! 2 ScR's and 1 CR will absolutely obliterate their target with no fear of return fire.
Edit: Mind you now, this scenario will shred you with normal controllers! Add the fact that they have no dispersion and roided RoF, and it's complete over kill! The combo of shield and armor weapons hitting you at the same time is dangerous WITHOUT modded controllers!
Drop this scenario into PC. Tactics go out the window! You can get to the city first, get your heavies and logis together perfectly, have great air and tank support, and have AV on deck as well. They will simply systematically obliterate everyone they come across.
Has anyone done the math on what the dps these shooters are capable of? All you super intelligent guys on the forums should already know. Multiply that by 4 shooters, and tell me how the community is wrong for complaining about this? The modded controllers give an assault mk.0 85 rounds of CR with absolutely no dispersion! Multiply by 3! On one dropsuit it doesn't matter what it's built out of!
Now when CCP usually attempt to fix this they nerf only the normal users furthering the gap between normal controller users and the modded controller users. The ScR is a prime example.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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postapo wastelander
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
858
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Posted - 2014.12.25 19:18:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Obviously these are not going to be nerfed and everyone getting beat by them is going to lead to more and more people using them.
Is it really worth sinking to such levels of scrubbery?
I would like to say no but looking at the advantages people are gaining over everyone and the fact that CCP does not seem to care one bit says it is only a matter of time before half the people left in the game are running them. Once this happens weapon balance based on these people will only nerf the players not using them even more such as in the case of the ScR near instantly over heating on any suit besides on Amarr assault.
Trying to make something more easy by cheating is ridiclous in real life. Trying to make something more easy by cheating in game is just nonsence.
Can i ask you why you playing games, if you want/need to cheat? It is actually seems like someone do not have straight grown spine, if he want do something like this.
Cheater in game equal cheater in life from my sight of view.
"We build from rust"
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