DUST Search - Should I buy myself a modded controller for x-mas?

deezy dabest wrote:

Atiim wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users..

CCP Rattati wrote:

Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that

While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions.

I am not seeking justification at all. There is no way I would buy a modded controller for this game that we have no clue what the future holds. Every day I play Eve a little more and Dust a little less because of BS like this ruining Dust. Ultimately it is not the people using modded controllers fault, it is CCP's fault. As long as they balance based on data from these users and do not add mechanics that directly hurt those users it is only going to get worse. Randomized firing intervals under a certain amount of time to cause them to misfire and kick per shot instead of over time would be an excellent start.

I only point to the heat modifications on the ScR as an example of turbo controller users negatively impacting the users who choose not to use them. These people fall into the data that is collected for balancing and skew the data effectively causing regular users to be over nerfed. Go watch a Scrambler video using a modded controller and a video not using a modded controller and tell me which was the reason for heat build up reaching the level it did.

Saying modded controllers do not affect weapons balancing negatively is a bold faced lie. Unless you are able to identify and remove those users from the data they ARE affecting balance. Also, not all weapons are equally used by or equally benefit from modded controllers. The RR for example would gain zero benefit thanks to the charge up time while the TacAr or the combat rifle gets a massive advantage from a modded controller.


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Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 585	Posted - 2014.12.25 18:51:00 - [1] - Quote Really don't know what to tell you. It sucks trying to play against such odds following the rules yourself while others don't. My honorable side would tell you to stay the course, and in the long run it will pay off. However, I don't know if CCP can or will do anything about this problem. My pissed off side says give the scrubs a taste of their own medicine! I don't need it to do well.... nobody does. I've played fps games for some time, and know the modded controller crowds type. They're a bunch of hate mailing try hards. They like to judge all skill and ability on kd, which is retrded, and they don't see that this game is different from others in the past. They will, with good conscious, call others scrubs or bad players when they are cheating the whole time. They will point at their unbelievable kd like a tool of measurement to skill at the first sound of challenge. I've thought about it as well so I can't kick you for simply stating what has crossed all of our minds in this situation. What I have come to conclude for myself is fck PC until this issue is rectified. I, for my own reasons, will not buy one of these controllers because it won't help the problem. It only adds to the pile of scrubs using them, and I'm no scrub. I'll continue to fight with my normal controller, and get better. Know that if anything is ever done about the modded controllers these scrubs will have to quit the game because when they run into me I will be cleaning their clocks! I will be so used to fighting in extreme mode that when their crutch is gone they won't stand a chance. Keep your money bro! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 585	Posted - 2014.12.25 18:55:00 - [2] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Atiim wrote: deezy dabest wrote: It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users.. Interesting... CCP Rattati wrote: Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions. I am not seeking justification at all. There is no way I would buy a modded controller for this game that we have no clue what the future holds. Every day I play Eve a little more and Dust a little less because of BS like this ruining Dust. Ultimately it is not the people using modded controllers fault, it is CCP's fault. As long as they balance based on data from these users and do not add mechanics that directly hurt those users it is only going to get worse. Randomized firing intervals under a certain amount of time to cause them to misfire and kick per shot instead of over time would be an excellent start. I only point to the heat modifications on the ScR as an example of turbo controller users negatively impacting the users who choose not to use them. These people fall into the data that is collected for balancing and skew the data effectively causing regular users to be over nerfed. Go watch a Scrambler video using a modded controller and a video not using a modded controller and tell me which was the reason for heat build up reaching the level it did. Saying modded controllers do not affect weapons balancing negatively is a bold faced lie. Unless you are able to identify and remove those users from the data they ARE affecting balance. Also, not all weapons are equally used by or equally benefit from modded controllers. The RR for example would gain zero benefit thanks to the charge up time while the TacAr or the combat rifle gets a massive advantage from a modded controller. He's right. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 585	Posted - 2014.12.25 18:57:00 - [3] - Quote Fibo Gjenn wrote: I have tried playing with a turbo controller, and I do way worse, with the turbo. Can't repair, can't shoot turrets (rail), can't use BOLT pistol and there is a small delay, before the turbo kicks in. Save the cash, unless you also play CoD. When is the last time you saw turBo controller users do anything but shoot main battle rifles? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 587	Posted - 2014.12.25 19:11:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: deezy dabest wrote: It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users.. Interesting... CCP Rattati wrote: Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions. I'm afraid it didn't work. The ScR is a resident nightmare weapon all the same. You may survive a 1v1 every now and then, but multiply the effects of the modded controller by 2 or 3 shooters? 3 minmatar assault mk.0's with CR's will shred you! 2 ScR's and 1 CR will absolutely obliterate their target with no fear of return fire. Edit: Mind you now, this scenario will shred you with normal controllers! Add the fact that they have no dispersion and roided RoF, and it's complete over kill! The combo of shield and armor weapons hitting you at the same time is dangerous WITHOUT modded controllers! Drop this scenario into PC. Tactics go out the window! You can get to the city first, get your heavies and logis together perfectly, have great air and tank support, and have AV on deck as well. They will simply systematically obliterate everyone they come across. Has anyone done the math on what the dps these shooters are capable of? All you super intelligent guys on the forums should already know. Multiply that by 4 shooters, and tell me how the community is wrong for complaining about this? The modded controllers give an assault mk.0 85 rounds of CR with absolutely no dispersion! Multiply by 3! On one dropsuit it doesn't matter what it's built out of! Now when CCP usually attempt to fix this they nerf only the normal users furthering the gap between normal controller users and the modded controller users. The ScR is a prime example. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 587	Posted - 2014.12.25 19:20:00 - [5] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Obviously these are not going to be nerfed and everyone getting beat by them is going to lead to more and more people using them. Is it really worth sinking to such levels of scrubbery? I would like to say no but looking at the advantages people are gaining over everyone and the fact that CCP does not seem to care one bit says it is only a matter of time before half the people left in the game are running them. Once this happens weapon balance based on these people will only nerf the players not using them even more such as in the case of the ScR near instantly over heating on any suit besides on Amarr assault. Trying to make something more easy by cheating is ridiclous in real life. Trying to make something more easy by cheating in game is just nonsence. Can i ask you why you playing games, if you want/need to cheat? It is actually seems like someone do not have straight grown spine, if he want do something like this. Cheater in game equal cheater in life from my sight of view. It's already being done TO him, and he's considering evening the playing field. It's sad that he has to consider this, but here we are. "Anybody order chaos?"