The number of pessimists in Dust is disturbing.

Obviously these are not going to be nerfed and everyone getting beat by them is going to lead to more and more people using them.

Is it really worth sinking to such levels of scrubbery?

I would like to say no but looking at the advantages people are gaining over everyone and the fact that CCP does not seem to care one bit says it is only a matter of time before half the people left in the game are running them. Once this happens weapon balance based on these people will only nerf the players not using them even more such as in the case of the ScR near instantly over heating on any suit besides on Amarr assault.

I bought something called the Intensafire 2.0 when i fractured my knuckles bout 18month ago and i couldn't quite press the trigger fast enough for my CR.
i've tried it several times since and they're good for a couple of wepaons but tbh just learn to feather ACR, AR, AScR ect and if you're not very good witht he TAC or ScR then just leave them be. it wont make you XOMGUBERKILLAZOFDABESTEZ and for the -ú30 i wouldn't bother. i'd rather just buy a merc or elite pack or the new profiteer pack and have something to show for it

p.s i still use it from time to time in winter when my fingers stiffen but because its adjustable i always set it to an acceptable rof and again unless you have some kinda physical restrictions its not really worth it

I know it does not give you god like powers or any of that BS. At the current rate the ScR will only be viable through turbo controller use. The overheat on any suit other than the Amarr assault is absolutely rediculous and the only explanation for it being this bad is that CCP allowed turbo controller user data into the pool thus nerfing the rest of us. I am certainly NOT screaming the ScR is UP as it is almost in a good place. The problem is that good place was not made for those of us that play the game fairly.

playstation move is all you need

playstation move is all you need

ScR kicks like a b**ch though. its ok for CQC spray and pray but for precision just use the weapon more to get comfortable with it and learn to charge a shot then follow up with a quick shot after. i've tried it with rapid fire and unless you're 5m away you're not really gonna hit that much before you over heat, even with proto amarr assault

also changing heat per hsot to heat per second pretty much encourages rapid fire mods. heat per shot allows a well skilled user to take the time to aim and fire properly with it. if u want spray n pray go with the AScR
as for the weapons themselves then they're fine. they cut through shields like they're supposed to and they slightly struggle with armour like they're supposed to. complaining the ScR is poor vs Armour is like complaining CR/ACR are poor vs shields... they're supopsed to be poor vs the other. if you struggle to take down armour tankers then look at getting another type of weapon and choose that if you come up against certain suit types. if i'm in a game with a bunch of caldari sentinels i don't use my Combat rifles, i change to my breach or AScR, same as if i see a lot of amarr sentinels i change to a rail or combat rifle

It is undeniable that CCP balanced the ScR based on turbo controller users..

Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that

Interesting...


While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions.

Look inside yourself, and you will know the answer, Padawan.

Only the weak embrace the dark side...

Only the weak embrace the dark side...

I am not seeking justification at all. There is no way I would buy a modded controller for this game that we have no clue what the future holds. Every day I play Eve a little more and Dust a little less because of BS like this ruining Dust. Ultimately it is not the people using modded controllers fault, it is CCP's fault. As long as they balance based on data from these users and do not add mechanics that directly hurt those users it is only going to get worse. Randomized firing intervals under a certain amount of time to cause them to misfire and kick per shot instead of over time would be an excellent start.




I only point to the heat modifications on the ScR as an example of turbo controller users negatively impacting the users who choose not to use them. These people fall into the data that is collected for balancing and skew the data effectively causing regular users to be over nerfed. Go watch a Scrambler video using a modded controller and a video not using a modded controller and tell me which was the reason for heat build up reaching the level it did.

Saying modded controllers do not affect weapons balancing negatively is a bold faced lie. Unless you are able to identify and remove those users from the data they ARE affecting balance. Also, not all weapons are equally used by or equally benefit from modded controllers. The RR for example would gain zero benefit thanks to the charge up time while the TacAr or the combat rifle gets a massive advantage from a modded controller.

I have tried playing with a turbo controller, and I do way worse, with the turbo. Can't repair, can't shoot turrets (rail), can't use BOLT pistol and there is a small delay, before the turbo kicks in.

Save the cash, unless you also play CoD.

Interesting...


While it is against the EULA, as an adult you're free to do purchase whatever you want but don't go around consulting others to gain a sense of justification for your actions.

Obviously these are not going to be nerfed and everyone getting beat by them is going to lead to more and more people using them.

Is it really worth sinking to such levels of scrubbery?

I would like to say no but looking at the advantages people are gaining over everyone and the fact that CCP does not seem to care one bit says it is only a matter of time before half the people left in the game are running them. Once this happens weapon balance based on these people will only nerf the players not using them even more such as in the case of the ScR near instantly over heating on any suit besides on Amarr assault.

Trying to make something more easy by cheating is ridiclous in real life.
Trying to make something more easy by cheating in game is just nonsence.

Can i ask you why you playing games, if you want/need to cheat?
It is actually seems like someone do not have straight grown spine, if he want do something like this.

Cheater in game equal cheater in life from my sight of view.

It's already being done TO him, and he's considering evening the playing field. It's sad that he has to consider this, but here we are.

Wait? What? You are saying the ScR nerf only helped modded controllers? The nerf (about 120 rpm in RoF IIRC,) brought the RoF more in line with average human fire rates. A person with a fast finger can now basically cap the RoF, unlike before.

All this means, is that a person with a fast finger, can now do EXACTLY what a turbo mod can do. There is virtually no reason to use a turbo mod on a ScR now. The only weapon that turbo mods are even viable on now are the Combat rifles because, well insane RoF...

No the elite player can't keep up with modded, the nerf should be a 10 shot clip which is on par with human abilities 10 shots reload repeat. It's not just the 20 to 30 RDS per second we're talking about if you can jerk off that many rps you're also jerking your controller which is going to affect accuracy because the direction sick it wiggling, human reflex. Sitting still shooting at nothing one can possibly achieve the same results as most modded controllers but in a fire fight you can't. The fact remains if they didn't make a huge difference they wouldn't be in the market of selling them, I personally think it is a violation of the EULA we all accepted as it is a modification to the game. Just start a list and post their names to let everyone know what kind of scrub they're playing against. Most people already know who and what corps use them, if everyone knows it might shame them or it could make them more friends. Just remember most of these guys are pretty good without them too, that's the reason they get called scrubs for using them