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Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:29:00 - [1] - Quote Tanks and Hogs seem to be too ungainly to actively evade Forge/Plasma/Turrets etc, but Dropships seem to dodge more than not. So my question is this, would pouring sp into my Dropship skills be worth the effort? Resident pasty smasher
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2605	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:42:00 - [2] - Quote Not worth any investment at all. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:43:00 - [3] - Quote Care to elaborate? I see Incubusi on the kill feed quite often Resident pasty smasher
PARTH0K Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 20	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:50:00 - [4] - Quote It's definantley worth it but if you don't like to lose ISK fast then no dont bother with it. but if you don't mind knowing that you might lose a couple pythons or incubi in one match then spend as much SP into ADSes as you want. One tip though just i case you do decide to go into ADSes, just remember that buildings are your friend don't forget to use cover whenever you are taking damage.
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 161	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:58:00 - [5] - Quote Isk isn't a major problem, I'm rarely in vehicles, but those times I like to be, I don't want to get Officer AssForged immediately and die. Yes, die, I ain't like duna I'll take a look into them, gotta be much more fun than the others. Resident pasty smasher
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 695	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:03:00 - [6] - Quote Been thinking of it myself, what would you guys recommend spending to as a priority? Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
PARTH0K Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 20	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:08:00 - [7] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Been thinking of it myself, what would you guys recommend spending to as a priority? Well first off what are you thinking of going into Python or incubus?
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4837	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:20:00 - [8] - Quote If your name isn't Viktor Hadah/Jr you're wasting your soul and isk. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
bud greenly Contract Hunters 6	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:21:00 - [9] - Quote They were fun till they nerfed almost all aspects of them from turrets to reps / hardners and afterburners then buffed the swarms so they chase you across the map and around buildings . ultimately they made the ads twice as weak . red line tankers still be redline sniping though lol . My advice go into tanks and rails then sit back and shoot me out of the sky seems to work out well for them...
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 3234	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:29:00 - [10] - Quote It's truly sad what they turned our once proud craft into. Having to run from the six people who choose to camp one area and hold down r1 and release. Do not let that discourage you however, the few who remain are fiercely proud and deadly warriors. To answer your question, if you can't fly worth a crap, don't touch ADS. CCP has bastardized our craft royally. 99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg Oh yeah?! Well, I love redheads.

Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 154	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:44:00 - [11] - Quote Back before all the nerfs it was quite awesome to fly around but right now It's not as worth it as it was before. If you truly feel like you're up for it then be my guest but be prepared for a lot of SP sinking and a bunch of other **** that will happen. Python pilot Logistics mk.0 Assault mk.0
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1443	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:55:00 - [12] - Quote you need shield or armor fitting optimization 5 if your serious about it.. it's still doable. don't listen to whiny post about it being totally hopeless because it's not if you manage your AB right.. It is currently extremely hard to fly but not impossible, you've gunned for me iirc.. i'm enjoying the difficulty now because i'm sure it's gonna get FOTM again after the vehicle patch where all the "pilots" come back out from under their rocks. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 163	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote Yes, I remember hot dropping from yours quite a few times that night, oh the fun! Definitely something I want to get into, it's just getting the hang of the unwieldy controls. I'll manage it, mark my words. At this point, most of my sp is going into the next tier of weapon/suit so I'm looking for new ways to kill people! Resident pasty smasher
rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 10	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:09:00 - [14] - Quote I see lots of ads on kill feed too..... usually following rasputin900000 wyrikomi swarm launcher. Skill into 'em I need more targets.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1444	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:12:00 - [15] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Yes, I remember hot dropping from yours quite a few times that night, oh the fun! Definitely something I want to get into, it's just getting the hang of the unwieldy controls. I'll manage it, mark my words. At this point, most of my sp is going into the next tier of weapon/suit so I'm looking for new ways to kill people! yea man you just have to have that exact attitude and accept it will be a challenge. you will crash and sometimes it will be from pilot error, sometimes AV or acombination of both. if you relax and take it with a grain of salt you will learn from each time being shotdown. beyond that you can develop a 6 sense about opposing AV that comes from experience with the map. i recommend academy practice and i'm not being snooty, i do it myself. i can never get enough of it it's what brings me back to dust but yea it can get very expensive and some nights are more brutal than others. pumping sp into dropships was probably the most rewarding sp i ever spent, but know that it can take upwards of 12mil to get any real consistency, and i'm talking 3 out of 5 good matches are going to be good.. that's about the highest mortality rate a pilot can acheive currently imo. it's worth it imo. it's very depending on your ground forces, you are fire support not the tip of the spear. if you ever want a gunner send me a holler i'm always willing to gun and i have an understanding for it because i mainly use a gunner myself, tho my ADS is good in certain matches where i have good support. it's good at mopping up but not so good when your team is getting r4ped.. the gallente NDS is pretty beast right now. my biggest recommendation is to master NDS controls first, it's much easier on the wallet and when you have those controls down transfering to the more nimble ADS is cake. an ADS without the vehicle upgrades to back it is like having a proto suit without core skills- kinda useless and it will be easily destroyed.. NDS is currently more forgiving. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 9217	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:16:00 - [16] - Quote It's fun, but at same time rage inducing and frustrating. Only valid tactical application is removing roof campers who AREN'T running loads of AV. 7/10, I actually skilled into it again after respecing. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 307	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:17:00 - [17] - Quote 1 2 3 http://youtu.be/_EfqlhbFN2E ^ effective use of ads in pc Ads are the most fun, free and beautiful thing in the game! Spec into Python and learn fast or you lose loads of money ;) "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1444	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:19:00 - [18] - Quote yea a couple of proto swarms will deny you an area, but so will this internal error AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
bud greenly Contract Hunters 7	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:45:00 - [19] - Quote It's still loads of fun but very hard on beginners . until the skills are where they should be and battle field experience teaches you which maps are more survivable then others be prepared to be shot down. I find it still has multiple applications despite its drawbacks however. My personal faves air superiority , recon , squad transport/support and getting dumb red dots to pull swarms and spend their time shooting at me while my team hacks the map out from under them . That last one is super effective and even more hilarious. Like anything else in the game practice it and you will improve I fly both of the ads and have proto level in most of the skills seems like the incubus is superior for now as I've taken to calling my 60 or so pythons my disposable ads lol .
DontWorryISAVEyou Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:49:00 - [20] - Quote bud greenly wrote: They were fun till they nerfed almost all aspects of them from turrets to reps / hardners and afterburners then buffed the swarms so they chase you across the map and around buildings . ultimately they made the ads twice as weak . red line tankers still be redline sniping though lol . My advice go into tanks and rails then sit back and shoot me out of the sky seems to work out well for them... IKR this happens so often and then on the next update they are probably going to nerf ads again Scotty has committed suicide 12/21 nobody will really remember him but they will remember the game Scotty has screwed up

PARTH0K Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 20	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:51:00 - [21] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: you need shield or armor fitting optimization 5 if your serious about it.. it's still doable. don't listen to whiny post about it being totally hopeless because it's not if you manage your AB right.. It is currently extremely hard to fly but not impossible, you've gunned for me iirc.. i'm enjoying the difficulty now because i'm sure it's gonna get FOTM again after the vehicle patch where all the "pilots" come back out from under their rocks. Well if your skilling Python you don't need shield optimization at all. I haven't even bought the book for shield optimization cause to me it's just useless to spend one point of SP into it and I've been doing just fine without it.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 442	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:52:00 - [22] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Tanks and Hogs seem to be too ungainly to actively evade Forge/Plasma/Turrets etc, but Dropships seem to dodge more than not. So my question is this, would pouring sp into my Dropship skills be worth the effort? You'd be surprised how hard those ******* LAVs can be to hit with a Forge. F*k this cash grab fix the shit that matters: unkillable uplinks, invisible remotes on null cannon hack panels, etc.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5193	Posted - 2014.12.22 00:53:00 - [23] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Tanks and Hogs seem to be too ungainly to actively evade Forge/Plasma/Turrets Not true.
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 166	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:03:00 - [24] - Quote Being mainly a Sniper, marksmanship is what I do. Hitting an OI LAV is a piece of cake. Even more fun to do with a Plasma cannon. Swarm takes no skill whatsoever though, point, hold, release. Pah. Resident pasty smasher
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 978	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:07:00 - [25] - Quote ADS is one of those things you have to be fully dedicated into. Dont do it unless you plan to go all in. You're either an ADS Pilot or not. There is no in between. For the longest time I go 0 SP invested into dropsuit related skills. When on the ground I only run APEX suits. I have no use for proto suits or proto weapons. I am an ADS Pilot -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 311	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:26:00 - [26] - Quote Meh snuggle buggle I'm decent at ads but it's not my existence :l Just another trick in my sleeve Unlike some dedicated vehicle users I use every other play style in the game, but maybe that's because I learnt ads through sheer challenge, just specced in and thought, I'm going to spam Python, better learn fast or I'll go broke "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 479	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:35:00 - [27] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: It's truly sad what they turned our once proud craft into. Having to run from the six people who choose to camp one area and hold down r1 and release. Do not let that discourage you however, the few who remain are fiercely proud and deadly warriors. To answer your question, if you can't fly worth a crap, don't touch ADS. CCP has bastardized our craft royally. Ive been flying the python for 3 months. Im not the best pilot but when it comes to. Ads vs tank = Bring, it, on. I tend to do crazy turns which 99% of the time I live. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2606	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:48:00 - [28] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Care to elaborate? I see Incubusi on the kill feed quite often Fire rate got nerfed really hard; in order to take on AV before dying, you needed the incredible fire rate the passive skills offered. Then they got nerfed into the ground, and having the Incubus skill to 5 was actually counterproductive, since you overheated faster, firing fewer shots. The only good ADS pilots are the ones that have been doing it for a long time. I had both ships for a little while, but wasn't all that good with them, then when were able to buy the respec, I took all my SP out of dropships. I only put level 1 in dropship command about a week ago, because the Gordon wasn't cutting it for me. Unless you're willing to put in half a year learning the ins and outs of both ships, learning how to fly, when to engage, how to engage, when to retreat, you'll be wasting a lot of SP and even more ISK. The hull itself is 200k - fully fit with a PRO turret and the best mods you can put on it, it'll run 350-400k ISK. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2606	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:01:00 - [29] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Been thinking of it myself, what would you guys recommend spending to as a priority? Don't bother, you need a boatload of experience to use it efficiently. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2606	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:39:00 - [30] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: If your name isn't Viktor Hadah/Jr you're wasting your soul and isk. Uh, Sir Snugglz? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2606	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:46:00 - [31] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: 1 2 3 Love thed1ck, he always has my back, there were 2 proto swarms and a forgegun! You can see in the video http://youtu.be/_EfqlhbFN2E ^ effective use of ads in pc Ads are the most fun, free and beautiful thing in the game! Spec into Python and learn fast or you lose loads of money ;) You love thed1ck, eh? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 313	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:52:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: manboar thunder fist wrote: 1 2 3 Love thed1ck, he always has my back, there were 2 proto swarms and a forgegun! You can see in the video http://youtu.be/_EfqlhbFN2E ^ effective use of ads in pc Ads are the most fun, free and beautiful thing in the game! Spec into Python and learn fast or you lose loads of money ;) You love thed1ck, eh? With every part of my body! Mainly my head Heart* "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:56:00 - [33] - Quote If you have 5 million spare SP and 10 million ISK then go for it If you don't then you need to be good or selective, Only bring it out in pubs after checking how quickly armor gets destroyed.
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 313	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:00:00 - [34] - Quote I use my Python to kill roof campers, scouts, uplinks, logi/heavy squads and vehicles I don't use my Python to kill av/people in buildings/redline tanks/installations Only call in your Python when the above situations are present Since you're new "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 980	Posted - 2014.12.22 07:52:00 - [35] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: I use my Python to kill roof campers, scouts, uplinks, logi/heavy squads and vehicles I don't use my Python to kill av/people in buildings/redline tanks/installations Only call in your Python when the above situations are present Since you're new I use my python for everything... even hacking objectives -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1617	Posted - 2014.12.22 08:00:00 - [36] - Quote If you want to go into PC, yes. ADS pilots are a necessity and often have to ring for everyone's corp. You'll make up the money you lose...maybe. You have to be damn good though. I can't count on two hands and half a foot the pilots that have the skills for PC. Hero of the Amarrinese. Wheeee!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15522	Posted - 2014.12.22 08:26:00 - [37] - Quote Only if you squad regularly. Solo piloting is painful unless all you want to do is run away most of the match. Im officially out of ISK after years of flying, but some day ill go back to it. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 603	Posted - 2014.12.22 10:21:00 - [38] - Quote You can always use them to clear Uplinks. That's enough good to skill into them. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1447	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:28:00 - [39] - Quote PARTH0K wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: you need shield or armor fitting optimization 5 if your serious about it.. it's still doable. don't listen to whiny post about it being totally hopeless because it's not if you manage your AB right.. It is currently extremely hard to fly but not impossible, you've gunned for me iirc.. i'm enjoying the difficulty now because i'm sure it's gonna get FOTM again after the vehicle patch where all the "pilots" come back out from under their rocks. Well if your skilling Python you don't need shield optimization at all. I haven't even bought the book for shield optimization cause to me it's just useless to spend one point of SP into it and I've been doing just fine without it. you need it for incubus.. i dont fly python so easy for me to be wrong there. but from what i see all the whining is done by low SP python pilots. doesn't really matter since they will nerf dropships again, because infantry is starting to whine that incubus is too hard to be shot down.. do you see my point? AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 631	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:40:00 - [40] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: PARTH0K wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: you need shield or armor fitting optimization 5 if your serious about it.. it's still doable. don't listen to whiny post about it being totally hopeless because it's not if you manage your AB right.. It is currently extremely hard to fly but not impossible, you've gunned for me iirc.. i'm enjoying the difficulty now because i'm sure it's gonna get FOTM again after the vehicle patch where all the "pilots" come back out from under their rocks. Well if your skilling Python you don't need shield optimization at all. I haven't even bought the book for shield optimization cause to me it's just useless to spend one point of SP into it and I've been doing just fine without it. you need it for incubus.. i dont fly python so easy for me to be wrong there. but from what i see all the whining is done by low SP python pilots. doesn't really matter since they will nerf dropships again, because infantry is starting to whine that incubus is too hard to be shot down.. do you see my point? Where is this whining you speak of? A lot of people may hate DS but I haven't seen a nerf thread in ages.

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1447	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:42:00 - [41] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: PARTH0K wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: you need shield or armor fitting optimization 5 if your serious about it.. it's still doable. don't listen to whiny post about it being totally hopeless because it's not if you manage your AB right.. It is currently extremely hard to fly but not impossible, you've gunned for me iirc.. i'm enjoying the difficulty now because i'm sure it's gonna get FOTM again after the vehicle patch where all the "pilots" come back out from under their rocks. Well if your skilling Python you don't need shield optimization at all. I haven't even bought the book for shield optimization cause to me it's just useless to spend one point of SP into it and I've been doing just fine without it. you need it for incubus.. i dont fly python so easy for me to be wrong there. but from what i see all the whining is done by low SP python pilots. doesn't really matter since they will nerf dropships again, because infantry is starting to whine that incubus is too hard to be shot down.. do you see my point? Where is this whining you speak of? A lot of people may hate DS but I haven't seen a nerf thread in ages. give them more time rome wasnt built over night AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 125	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:42:00 - [42] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Tanks and Hogs seem to be too ungainly to actively evade Forge/Plasma/Turrets etc, but Dropships seem to dodge more than not. So my question is this, would pouring sp into my Dropship skills be worth the effort? Get only level 1 or 2 skill, as the skills are useless, atleast the python one is... Choo Choo
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 667	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:55:00 - [43] - Quote If you like having fun then they're a blast. You need an alternative way to earn isk or you can fly DS with a CRU and links and fly safely for a few games in between to stay isk positive. You also need to learn to fly well. You mainly need to learn to perform evasive maneuvering. Don't go ADS until you can keep a regular DS alive. Flying AND trying to shoot is hard until you get used to it and you can't just hover slowly over a target anymore without getting a swarm or FG scrub camping a safe spot on a roof and sipping his beer waiting for someone like you to give him his thrill. You need to stay moving while firing and know how to quickly evade and recover. Be ready to get a nosebleed swooping and diving and rolling. WHAT A BLAST WHEN YOU LEARN TO FLY WELL. Blasters don't hit crap except uplinks, but is a good area of denial weapon to spray around and fun to strafe with. Missile is the best all around turret for infantry kills and tank harrassment. Rail is hard to learn to aim with, but is the main AV weapon. Warning: watch taking off and hitting the MCC. Boycott Black Thursday!
Vesta Opalus Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2014.12.22 18:18:00 - [44] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Tanks and Hogs seem to be too ungainly to actively evade Forge/Plasma/Turrets etc, but Dropships seem to dodge more than not. So my question is this, would pouring sp into my Dropship skills be worth the effort? It can be fun when there isnt a lot of AV shutting you down and making you play cautious. Just dont turn into one of those jackholes who thinks the ADS needs to be buffed into invincibility just because they dont want to make the game actually balanced.


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