More food for thought

- Unreal Tournament 3 on the PS3 already supports keyboard and mouse (don't fear, I hear the extra mouse buttons don't work)
- DUST 514 runs on the Unreal engine

coincidence? doubt it

Since CCP has said multiple times that there will be M/KB support i dont think anyone needs speculation about this :P

if i recall correctly from fanfest they hinted that M/KB support may only be allowed for the 0.0 or Corp matches but i could be wrong

UT99 on the PS2 also supported keyboard and mouse, as did Red Faction 2 (and an unfortunately small handful of others).

As to the assertions of PC elitism, stating that mice are better than controllers for an FPS is not elitism, it's a simple fact of the interface. Just like you wouldn't want to use a mouse in a flight sim, it just doesn't translate well, and has severe disadvantages for the type of control necessary. All the whinging and fear of mice is nothing more than acknowledgement of this fact, whether it's admittedly openly or not.

This doesn't change anything, of course, but it's always amusing to hear the "pc elitism" card get thrown around whenever a controller-loyalist feels threatened by incoming mice. Is it console elitism when someone points out that a steering wheel is better for that racing game than my keyboard and mouse? No, it's just a simple bloody fact.

Just as in EVE, you use the right tool for the job, for best results. Can you use other tools? Certainly, but don't start whinging when it's not as effective, and the people using the right tool have an edge when all other factors are equal.

You are, there was nothing even vaguely hinting at that (not to mention it would be completely idiotic.)

Rewatch the keynotes.

One thing that annoys me is this PC gamer hatred and dudes looking at PC gamers like the enemy because they're asking for something they were told would be in the game. In DUST we're all Console gamers, it's just an input device preference and the option of which you use is entirely up to you (or at least should be).

Why should kb/m users be expected to learn a controller to play a game which has been confirmed will have kb/m support?

You signed up for a FPS beta test on the ps3, seems using a controller comes with the territory. I get wanting it to be implemented, but it doesn't need to be "priority ONE" just because a small minority of beta testers are unfamiliar with it. Ps3 players have been playing fps with a controller for years (going back to the ps2).

True, but at the same time CCP stated that they dont want M/KB have advantage over PS3 controller.

it doesn't need to be "priority ONE" just because a small minority of beta testers are unfamiliar with it. Ps3 players have been playing fps with a controller for years (going back to the ps2).

As the OP I'd suggest rereading my post, this has nothing to do with any point I was trying to make.

No doubt. However these threads, when the pop up, tend to devolve into a tit for tat controller vs m\kb discussion. Your op was right on target, it needs to be implemented for balance and testability purposes, and i definitely am guilty of bastardizing your op for my point. I am sorry about that, for whatever that is worth on an internet forum.

You signed up for a FPS beta test on the ps3, seems using a controller comes with the territory. I get wanting it to be implemented, but it doesn't need to be "priority ONE" just because a small minority of beta testers are unfamiliar with it. Ps3 players have been playing fps with a controller for years (going back to the ps2).

For the ranters -

Jesus guys, ~irrelevant rant~

Incorrect.

1. I'm taking part in a beta FPS game on the PS3 that was stated it'd have kb/m support implying I'd have the option. I don't care what the platform is, I just want to use the pictures on the screen and the input device to shoot people. Take your PC vs Console warring elsewhere, this is about gaming.

2. I'm not saying make it priority #1. But sooner rather than later so we can all beta test properly and comfortably would be nice.

3. idgi, you want to use a controller, you have controller support... why do you even care? why are you here in this thread?



Dear Chalkoutline, why would I buy a keyboard to controller signal converter when the devs stated native kb/m support would be included. Do you use a PS3 controller to move your mouse on your PC?


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Dear Players,

We are moving to the next stage of the closed beta where the focus will be on testing the progression system and high level content and will be deploying a hotfix soon.

As a part of this, we will be quadrupling the baseline amount of skill points earned from battles. Boosters will continue to grant an additional 50% on top of the regular skill point rewards and enable players using them to progress even faster. The amount of skill points accrued passively will remain on the current level. We hope this change will allow players to advance to higher skill levels in a much shorter time frame and to experiment with high level content during the closed beta.

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DUST 514 Community Manager

Nobody said you SHOULDNT have KB\M support..... But this is a beta. And it has been stated NOWHERE that you would get this option during the beta. If it isn't available at release, then you have the right to ***** about it.

There's some obvious enhancement that should come first. And adding a comfort option is nowhere to be top priority or even second.

If you're seeking for a true confort option that would actually help the game to developp itselft AND wil certainly need a lot of feedback : Then, ask for the party system.
=> There you have what should be top priority as a new function added to beta.

end of discussion for me.

This:

Nobody said you SHOULDNT have KB\M support..... But this is a beta. And it has been stated NOWHERE that you would get this option during the beta. If it isn't available at release, then you have the right to ***** about it.

[The balancing that is required to get controller/move/KB&M to work alongside each other is something that has to happen now

The 'balance' comes from hard limits on turning and aim speed for all players regardless of input method, depending on their dropsuit. Essentially this means people with high DPS gaming mice cannot instantly turn around with a subtle flick of their hand. Some might argue that the mouse is more precise anyways - That might be true, but probably not as much as you think given the stated limits. In a strafe shooter, console controllers also have a leg up in the strafe game because of the different sensitivity in the left stick, as opposed to the hardlimited WASD keys, which makes their strafing easier to predict & counter.

It will boil down to personal preference, and neither choice will dominate the other by sheer virtue of 'precision'. It will all be determined by player skill, not input method.


But this is not something CCP is just 'adding in'. Do not think it will not be in the beta. But they are making sure it goes in right, not that it goes in quickly. This is why it is not currently in, because they are not happy with it yet.

Hard limits on aim speed and turn speed mean mouse has no advantage over controllers, only player aptitude with their input method of choice. I've said it before in this thread and I'm saying it again to make sure people see it. There will not be a massive difference in 'precision control' from using a mouse unless you've never used a controller before and you've been a PC FPS fan all your life.

I agree that it should get in sooner than later, but it is by far a top priority for them to add asap.

this.

So I mainly play on pc.
I have a razer blackwidow (clickity click keyboards are always nice to use) and a razer copperhead.
I play a lot of fps in pc and just find the mouse and keyboard combo just flat out better and easier to use.
But I hope that the devs do not put mouse and keyboard support for dust. Why?
Because it will just segregate the community. Average keyboard and mouse user will beat the average controller user every day.
You cant have a long living game if the community is not on fair grounds. I do not want to set up my ps3 to use keyboard and mouse (i doubt my kb/m is supported) and I will not buy kb/m just for one game. What am I to do? Never play since if a user who uses a mouse is on the other team will demolish me? There is no personal preference there is no "if you practice you can be equal". It will be if one guy on the server has mouse and you have analog stick you die he wins every time. Thats not fun. This game is aimed primarily towards CONSOLE GAMERS not pc gamers who want to play one game. The majority of gamers who will play this game will be console gamers...
Stop being an elitist and accept the main controller imput for a device should be the dominating one...

spent $50 on an eagle-eye woot

I do not want to set up my ps3 to use keyboard and mouse (i doubt my kb/m is supported) and I will not buy kb/m just for one game.

What am I to do? Never play since if a user who uses a mouse is on the other team will demolish me?

There is no personal preference there is no "if you practice you can be equal". It will be if one guy on the server has mouse and you have analog stick you die he wins every time.

Thats not fun.

This game is aimed primarily towards CONSOLE GAMERS not pc gamers who want to play one game. The majority of gamers who will play this game will be console gamers...
Stop being an elitist and accept the main controller imput for a device should be the dominating one...