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Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1286	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:49:00 - [1] - Quote We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience? * Adjust strongbox:key pickup ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 (or better) * Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden) * Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt) * Add ultra-rare strongbox exclusive BPOs * Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (blue, purple, gold) * Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market How else might we make strongboxes more rewarding?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5069	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:54:00 - [2] - Quote A lot of people like to ask for crazy stupid things like "remove x" instead of, you know, "tweak x". If we listened to them, the only thing remaining would be like... assault suits with ion pistols or something. But yeah, strongboxes probably need some work. But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20416	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:57:00 - [3] - Quote Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread? Look at the bottom of the page. You see that 'Reply' button? Yes, that is for replying. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1286	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:17:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread? Look at the bottom of the page. You see that 'Reply' button? Yes, that is for replying. Why bury a tenable solution under a pile of derpa and froth?
Bam Nutshot Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 48	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:20:00 - [5] - Quote Bump to get CCP ratty to see this For the State!
Syeven Reed T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1078	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Requesting solutions rather than executions? Forum thread OP, needs nerf! SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED EvE - 21 Day Trial
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14599	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:26:00 - [7] - Quote The main reason as to why people are simply ignoring their strongboxes is because the lack of free keys being distributed makes them feel forced to make a microtransaction if they want to use this mechanic. Extra Credits did a great job of explaining this. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5690	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:30:00 - [8] - Quote I am all for iterating on strongboxes/keys instead of removing them outright. /signed My advice to you, playa...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1565	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:46:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. They kinda are when you can't make use of something that was installed to enhance the gaming experience , you get them more frequently then other salvage that one could actually use or sell and you can't make use of it without a sizable monetary contribution compared to the amount owned by a person . Kinda breaks the game when you can't make use of something that was suppose to be a bonus , I mean NO use without funds spent . It's not being used to it's full potential , not even from a marketing standpoint because your just not going to get the people to " pony up " considering how much you have to spend and the amount one owns , it's just not going to happen . Priced out of play and unusable to meet it's potential and the possibilities there of / in . Kinda seems like no thought was made behind this besides money and that wasn't even thought out well . No offense to anyone involved but it's the truth . Priced out of play . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1565	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:52:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: The main reason as to why people are simply ignoring their strongboxes is because the lack of free keys being distributed makes them feel forced to make a microtransaction if they want to use this mechanic. Extra Credits did a great job of explaining this. True , more random keys would help . Or missions that would allow one to obtain a key like instead of activating three boosters , so to say ... one could accomplish three said missions for a key . I know why there doing booster related missions but missions to obtain keys would be more useful or give keys as random salvage while playing factional and only factional . Being fair about the salvage rate . That would be great for factional , the LP store and the game in-general . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1297	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:00:00 - [11] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Or missions that would allow one to obtain a key like instead of activating three boosters , so to say ... one could accomplish three said missions for a key . Appended OP: * Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi) What if the Daily Reward (paid for completing X number of missions) always paid Keys?
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5505	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:15:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that orange circle that tweaks people's OCD. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 112	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:23:00 - [13] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that orange circle that tweaks people's OCD. Yep it is annoying. I already know how many boxes I got. Never goes away. *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5507	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:28:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread? Look at the bottom of the page. You see that 'Reply' button? Yes, that is for replying. Because posting a list of ways to fix the problem would be off topic in a thread devoted to bitching about the problem. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1566	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:29:00 - [15] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that orange circle that tweaks people's OCD. Yeah ... this ^^^^^^^ Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5173	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:39:00 - [16] - Quote We already get boosters from missions and boxes, so remove that. I've gotten a 1 Day Omega Booster from a box. Also, boxes:key ratio should be 5:1 or better, in my opinion. That means, if you salvage a box, get 4 more and chances are the next one is a key, or getting more missions that include keys. So, too keep everything in order, what does this need? A slight buff to keys, while a massive nerf to boxes. Also, instead of salvaging as many as 7 or more boxes from a match, limit it to 4 at the most. We get enough of them in dailies as it is. Add in Jara being able to open them for a bit of isk would be nice. 1m per box. That way, if you don't like what you get, you sell the items and try again a few matches later. I don't know.
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 113	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:48:00 - [17] - Quote How about maybe getting Jara in one of the boxes? I know some have Jara but others don't. *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 486	Posted - 2014.12.19 16:14:00 - [18] - Quote All good suggestions. +1 Speaking personally, I think the initial action should be to reduce the drop rate of boxes, and keep the current drop rate of keys. Something like 1key/10boxes sounds about right for me (compared to the roughly 1/100 we have today). On average the box content should be worth roughly 800AUR per box, but I think we are fairly close to this already.
Duke Noobiam The Dukes of Death 302	Posted - 2014.12.19 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote Posted this in another thread I created before seeing this one... The current issues are that... 1. You are way more likely to get something you cannot (or do not want) than getting something useful to you. I don't really like spending Aurum on what is basically a lottery with ****** odds. 2. You cannot get rid of the boxes once you have them and they clutter your UI/asset inventory. Here are my ideas. 1. We should be able to buy a tool (for Aurum) that allows you to see what the boxes contain. This tool could be a console in your merc quarters or a hologram like the market agent. 2. You should be able to sell boxes back to the market, if the content of the box has not been exposed via the tool in #1, you get little isk, otherwise you get usual market resell price minus a cost for the key (the buyer would presumably have to get a key to open it and would therefore want to recover this cost when buying it from you). 3. This could add a few twists to player trading (presuming we get this feature), maybe the contents of a box should be viewable in the trading screen if they have been revealed by the tool in #1. I realize these changes are significant as they would require changes in all tiers of the DUST solution (Client, Server and Database), but I believe they would greatly improve on the monetisation potential of these boxes.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5075	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:00:00 - [20] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that the orange circle tweaks people's OCD. I did, in fact, specifically mention that already. If there was no orange bubble, disinterested players could ignore them at least. 1913 DfLo wrote: How about maybe getting Jara in one of the boxes? I know some have Jara but others don't. You want to shove Jara in a box? I'm not sure how much she'd like that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1272	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:12:00 - [21] - Quote Aye, they don't remove weapons when they are imba, however they are not even acknowledging that there is a -drastic- disparity in the key to box ratio and the utter trash that can be contained inside. They is no indication they have any plans whatsoever at changing this other than forum speculation that the keys might go on sale. I tried pointing this out in another thread with some of the completely useless drops and I was shut down by Rattati who just said everything was fine and dandy. Weapons they rebalance, but right now, boxes are nothing more than an expensive nuisance with no plans on being usefully implemented in the foreseeable future. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1760	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:21:00 - [22] - Quote make all salvaged loot come in the form of "hacked strongbox" which are already hacked and leave the others as key opened. add a small chance of keys to be in all boxes. this means all players have access to strong boxes while those who wish to open more can buy keys this way everyone has a reasonable chance at salvage and ccp can still make some money. we all win All Hail Legion
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 353	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:31:00 - [23] - Quote My problem is how the boxes are being used, and their potential to give out a "better luck next time" prize. Which makes it gambling without a license. My problem with how they are used relates to the jobs. Some days you sign in, and all the rewards are boxes. A job reward should not be a chance at another job reward if you pay. They should be removed as a job reward, and the skillbooks and strongboxes should be removed as possible prizes.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5525	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:27:00 - [24] - Quote I thought that this suggestion had some merit. Corbina Ninja wrote: boxes must be four types -Amarr -Caldari -Gallente -Minmatar you should be able to buy their keys in the LP market the hacked keys purchased for AUR should open all types you can farm a key type and open 1/4 boxes or two types of keys and open half of boxes and farm twice if you want to get the remaining key types you will need to buy a booster or lose faction standing farm or pay I think this is better than the current model of the mystery box for money Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 93	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:36:00 - [25] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience? * Adjust strongbox:key salvage ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 or better * Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden) * Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt) * Add ultra-rare, strongbox-exclusive BPOs * Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (i.e. blue, purple, gold) * Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market * Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi) * Remove orange dot from NeoCom (Fox Gaden) How else might we make the strongbox system more fun and rewarding? I'm 312 strongboxes in and 0 keys from salvage.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2878	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:01:00 - [26] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread?. Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? Frothy pile of derpa! Lmfao! Stealing that fo sho Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Nirwanda Vaughns 1080	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:05:00 - [27] - Quote the contents need to be limited too. somehow getting 50 basic shield energizers makes me feel ripped off. if they just gave out suits/weapons ADV/PRO/OFF i'd feel less cheated by it. i know someone opened 3-40 boxes and 15 of them gave him the frontline/defender Mk-IIs he was not a happy person lol Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1412	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:16:00 - [28] - Quote Step one: Cut a hole in the box. XD TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3201	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:27:00 - [29] - Quote +1 "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E 42	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:58:00 - [30] - Quote +1 support for removing the orange dot from the Neocom. I don't need to be reminded I have over 200 strong boxes all day. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.

Zaria Min Deir OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 941	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:04:00 - [31] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that the orange circle tweaks people's OCD. I will admit, aside from the absolutely ridiculously bad implementation overall, it's that god damn notification that drives me bonkers Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
jade gamester B.A.L.A.M.O.R.Y. G.L.O.R.Y. 66	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:11:00 - [32] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience? * Adjust strongbox:key salvage ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 or better * Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden) * Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt) * Add ultra-rare, strongbox-exclusive BPOs * Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (i.e. blue, purple, gold) * Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market * Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi) * Remove orange dot from NeoCom (Fox Gaden) How else might we make the strongbox system more fun and rewarding? Sp levels? Not just the books like level 1 swarms or something I'm notsure how to word it better What's the story in balamory?
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14006	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:18:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: If we listened to them, the only thing remaining would be like... assault suits with ion pistols or something. Would not object to having only Assaults running around with Ion Pistols. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Zaria Min Deir OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 941	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:24:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: If we listened to them, the only thing remaining would be like... assault suits with ion pistols or something. Would not object to having only Assaults running around with Ion Pistols. Disgusting. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1120	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:57:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: A lot of people like to ask for crazy stupid things like "remove x" instead of, you know, "tweak x". If we listened to them, the only thing remaining would be like... assault suits with ion pistols or something. lol you'd be left with scout suits and elbows I want to take my wrongboxes out into battle with me and lob them at heavies. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1346	Posted - 2014.12.20 02:41:00 - [36] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Step one: Cut a hole in the box. XD XD
Stevez Wingyip DUST University Ivy League 72	Posted - 2014.12.20 03:00:00 - [37] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience? * Adjust strongbox:key salvage ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 or better * Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden) * Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt) * Add ultra-rare, strongbox-exclusive BPOs * Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (i.e. blue, purple, gold) * Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market * Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi) * Remove orange dot from NeoCom (Fox Gaden) How else might we make the strongbox system more fun and rewarding? Officer tokens allowing players to CHOOSE which one they want. Minmatar pilot and Merc and love my boyfriend @luppasc2! µêætê¦sê¬S¦Üsºå
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2052	Posted - 2014.12.20 03:00:00 - [38] - Quote I was in academy today and there were Defender Special Editions everywhere. This is bad, almost game breaking. (If a whole team is playing with said suits against pure frontline... only the very skilled and fast will get away from the HMG fire.) My idea: Have ISK/Aurum rewards inside the boxes. I say around 900k ISK or 800 Aurum. Goodbye. Biomassed I am known from here to the darkest reaches of space. The above has been proven.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1347	Posted - 2014.12.20 03:04:00 - [39] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: Officer tokens allowing players to CHOOSE which one they want. o/ Stevez. Would you mind elaborating a 'bit on the process?
Stevez Wingyip DUST University Ivy League 73	Posted - 2014.12.20 03:18:00 - [40] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Stevez Wingyip wrote: Officer tokens allowing players to CHOOSE which one they want. o/ Stevez. Would you mind elaborating a 'bit on the process? Simple, add a tab on the market for officer weapons or just add them to the list. Make the currency to buy them a token of some kind to stay with the lore. Make these tokens rare drops in boxes. This means people can actually get a weapon they can use. I opened a box with a free key and got officer sniper rifles. I am never going to use a sniper rifle in my life. If I got a token, I could trade it for a weapon that I love and actually have the skills for :) Minmatar pilot and Merc and love my boyfriend @luppasc2! µêætê¦sê¬S¦Üsºå

Stevez Wingyip DUST University Ivy League 74	Posted - 2014.12.20 03:24:00 - [41] - Quote Also, you can get boosters from the boxes by the way. You can also get Omega boosters. Minmatar pilot and Merc and love my boyfriend @luppasc2! µêætê¦sê¬S¦Üsºå
ZymposieR Rusty Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 11	Posted - 2014.12.20 04:20:00 - [42] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience? * Adjust strongbox:key salvage ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 or better * Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden) * Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt) * Add ultra-rare, strongbox-exclusive BPOs * Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (i.e. blue, purple, gold) * Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market * Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi) * Remove orange dot from NeoCom (Fox Gaden) How else might we make the strongbox system more fun and rewarding? Wery good ideas! Basicall just add more stuff that someone wold be afraid to loose. GÇó add a small amount of aurum to some boxes GÇó no regular modules in the boxes, but special ones. Like the ones who gives you bonus to both speed and stamina or kincat with 20% bonus. GÇó shittloads of isk in some strongboxes
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2014.12.20 04:59:00 - [43] - Quote I literally bought another 10 today so I could complain about them some more I oon't know why complaining about them makes me so happy, I also don't know why I would admit I was behaving so strangely
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18075	Posted - 2014.12.20 07:43:00 - [44] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience? * Adjust strongbox:key salvage ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 or better * Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden) * Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt) * Add ultra-rare, strongbox-exclusive BPOs * Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (i.e. blue, purple, gold) * Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market * Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi) * Remove orange dot from NeoCom (Fox Gaden) How else might we make the strongbox system more fun and rewarding? I love these! CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked


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