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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:49:00 -
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We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience?
* Adjust strongbox:key pickup ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 (or better)
* Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden)
* Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt)
* Add ultra-rare strongbox exclusive BPOs
* Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (blue, purple, gold)
* Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market
How else might we make strongboxes more rewarding? |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5069
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:54:00 -
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A lot of people like to ask for crazy stupid things like "remove x" instead of, you know, "tweak x". If we listened to them, the only thing remaining would be like... assault suits with ion pistols or something.
But yeah, strongboxes probably need some work. But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
20416
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:57:00 -
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Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread?
Look at the bottom of the page. You see that 'Reply' button? Yes, that is for replying.
Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
1286
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread?
Look at the bottom of the page. You see that 'Reply' button? Yes, that is for replying.
Why bury a tenable solution under a pile of derpa and froth? |
Bam Nutshot
Kaalmayoti Warzone Control
48
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:20:00 -
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Bump to get CCP ratty to see this
For the State!
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Syeven Reed
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1078
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:23:00 -
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Requesting solutions rather than executions? Forum thread OP, needs nerf!
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
EvE - 21 Day Trial
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
14599
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:26:00 -
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The main reason as to why people are simply ignoring their strongboxes is because the lack of free keys being distributed makes them feel forced to make a microtransaction if they want to use this mechanic.
Extra Credits did a great job of explaining this.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5690
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:30:00 -
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I am all for iterating on strongboxes/keys instead of removing them outright.
/signed
My advice to you, playa...
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1565
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:46:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking.
They kinda are when you can't make use of something that was installed to enhance the gaming experience , you get them more frequently then other salvage that one could actually use or sell and you can't make use of it without a sizable monetary contribution compared to the amount owned by a person .
Kinda breaks the game when you can't make use of something that was suppose to be a bonus , I mean NO use without funds spent .
It's not being used to it's full potential , not even from a marketing standpoint because your just not going to get the people to " pony up " considering how much you have to spend and the amount one owns , it's just not going to happen .
Priced out of play and unusable to meet it's potential and the possibilities there of / in .
Kinda seems like no thought was made behind this besides money and that wasn't even thought out well .
No offense to anyone involved but it's the truth .
Priced out of play .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1565
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:The main reason as to why people are simply ignoring their strongboxes is because the lack of free keys being distributed makes them feel forced to make a microtransaction if they want to use this mechanic. Extra Credits did a great job of explaining this.
True , more random keys would help .
Or missions that would allow one to obtain a key like instead of activating three boosters , so to say ... one could accomplish three said missions for a key .
I know why there doing booster related missions but missions to obtain keys would be more useful or give keys as random salvage while playing factional and only factional .
Being fair about the salvage rate .
That would be great for factional , the LP store and the game in-general .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
1297
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:00:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:
Or missions that would allow one to obtain a key like instead of activating three boosters , so to say ... one could accomplish three said missions for a key .
Appended OP:
* Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi)
What if the Daily Reward (paid for completing X number of missions) always paid Keys? |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
5505
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:15:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking.
No, it is just that orange circle that tweaks people's OCD.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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1913 DfLo
ScReWeD uP InC
112
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:23:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that orange circle that tweaks people's OCD.
Yep it is annoying. I already know how many boxes I got. Never goes away.
ScReWeD uP InC
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
5507
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread?
Look at the bottom of the page. You see that 'Reply' button? Yes, that is for replying.
Because posting a list of ways to fix the problem would be off topic in a thread devoted to bitching about the problem.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1566
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:29:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that orange circle that tweaks people's OCD.
Yeah ... this ^^^^^^^
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5173
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:39:00 -
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We already get boosters from missions and boxes, so remove that. I've gotten a 1 Day Omega Booster from a box.
Also, boxes:key ratio should be 5:1 or better, in my opinion. That means, if you salvage a box, get 4 more and chances are the next one is a key, or getting more missions that include keys. So, too keep everything in order, what does this need? A slight buff to keys, while a massive nerf to boxes. Also, instead of salvaging as many as 7 or more boxes from a match, limit it to 4 at the most. We get enough of them in dailies as it is.
Add in Jara being able to open them for a bit of isk would be nice. 1m per box. That way, if you don't like what you get, you sell the items and try again a few matches later. I don't know. |
1913 DfLo
ScReWeD uP InC
113
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:48:00 -
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How about maybe getting Jara in one of the boxes? I know some have Jara but others don't.
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
486
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:14:00 -
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All good suggestions.
+1
Speaking personally, I think the initial action should be to reduce the drop rate of boxes, and keep the current drop rate of keys.
Something like 1key/10boxes sounds about right for me (compared to the roughly 1/100 we have today).
On average the box content should be worth roughly 800AUR per box, but I think we are fairly close to this already.
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Duke Noobiam
The Dukes of Death
302
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:28:00 -
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Posted this in another thread I created before seeing this one...
The current issues are that...
1. You are way more likely to get something you cannot (or do not want) than getting something useful to you. I don't really like spending Aurum on what is basically a lottery with ****** odds.
2. You cannot get rid of the boxes once you have them and they clutter your UI/asset inventory.
Here are my ideas.
1. We should be able to buy a tool (for Aurum) that allows you to see what the boxes contain. This tool could be a console in your merc quarters or a hologram like the market agent.
2. You should be able to sell boxes back to the market, if the content of the box has not been exposed via the tool in #1, you get little isk, otherwise you get usual market resell price minus a cost for the key (the buyer would presumably have to get a key to open it and would therefore want to recover this cost when buying it from you).
3. This could add a few twists to player trading (presuming we get this feature), maybe the contents of a box should be viewable in the trading screen if they have been revealed by the tool in #1.
I realize these changes are significant as they would require changes in all tiers of the DUST solution (Client, Server and Database), but I believe they would greatly improve on the monetisation potential of these boxes. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5075
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:00:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But they're not like... horrifically game-breaking. No, it is just that the orange circle tweaks people's OCD.
I did, in fact, specifically mention that already. If there was no orange bubble, disinterested players could ignore them at least.
1913 DfLo wrote:How about maybe getting Jara in one of the boxes? I know some have Jara but others don't.
You want to shove Jara in a box? I'm not sure how much she'd like that.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
1272
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:12:00 -
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Aye, they don't remove weapons when they are imba, however they are not even acknowledging that there is a -drastic- disparity in the key to box ratio and the utter trash that can be contained inside. They is no indication they have any plans whatsoever at changing this other than forum speculation that the keys might go on sale.
I tried pointing this out in another thread with some of the completely useless drops and I was shut down by Rattati who just said everything was fine and dandy. Weapons they rebalance, but right now, boxes are nothing more than an expensive nuisance with no plans on being usefully implemented in the foreseeable future.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1760
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:21:00 -
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make all salvaged loot come in the form of "hacked strongbox" which are already hacked and leave the others as key opened.
add a small chance of keys to be in all boxes. this means all players have access to strong boxes while those who wish to open more can buy keys
this way everyone has a reasonable chance at salvage and ccp can still make some money. we all win
All Hail Legion
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
353
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:31:00 -
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My problem is how the boxes are being used, and their potential to give out a "better luck next time" prize. Which makes it gambling without a license.
My problem with how they are used relates to the jobs. Some days you sign in, and all the rewards are boxes. A job reward should not be a chance at another job reward if you pay. They should be removed as a job reward, and the skillbooks and strongboxes should be removed as possible prizes. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
5525
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:27:00 -
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I thought that this suggestion had some merit.
Corbina Ninja wrote:boxes must be four types
-Amarr
-Caldari
-Gallente
-Minmatar
you should be able to buy their keys in the LP market
the hacked keys purchased for AUR should open all types
you can farm a key type and open 1/4 boxes
or two types of keys and open half of boxes and farm twice
if you want to get the remaining key types you will need to buy a booster or lose faction standing
farm or pay
I think this is better than the current model of the mystery box for money
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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thehellisgoingon
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
93
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:36:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:We don't yank weapons from the game when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why would we yank strongboxes if we need only finetune them to make for a more rewarding experience?
* Adjust strongbox:key salvage ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 or better
* Add Key Cache to strongbox loot table (Fox Gaden)
* Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot table (Mossellia Delt)
* Add ultra-rare, strongbox-exclusive BPOs
* Add rarity ratings and strongbox aura progressions (i.e. blue, purple, gold)
* Add an Isk value to each grade of strongbox and permit their sale via market
* Increase frequency of keys as rewards for daily missions (Shinobi)
* Remove orange dot from NeoCom (Fox Gaden)
How else might we make the strongbox system more fun and rewarding?
I'm 312 strongboxes in and 0 keys from salvage. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2878
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:01:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why do people feel the need to make their own threads to reply to another thread?. Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
Frothy pile of derpa!
Lmfao! Stealing that fo sho
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Nirwanda Vaughns
1080
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:05:00 -
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the contents need to be limited too. somehow getting 50 basic shield energizers makes me feel ripped off. if they just gave out suits/weapons ADV/PRO/OFF i'd feel less cheated by it. i know someone opened 3-40 boxes and 15 of them gave him the frontline/defender Mk-IIs he was not a happy person lol
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
proud C-II bpo owner
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
1412
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:16:00 -
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Step one: Cut a hole in the box. XD
TLDR : Last Dust Montage
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3201
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:27:00 -
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+1
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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Marcus Stormfire
G.R.A.V.E
42
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:58:00 -
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+1 support for removing the orange dot from the Neocom. I don't need to be reminded I have over 200 strong boxes all day.
-Marcus
-I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
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