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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:10:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
How about your third world education level. Please do not waist you time on a guide if your going to use your 1st grade righting skills.
dyslexia is a fight i don't feel like undertaking today.
i dont bring my A game to shitpost on the forums sir.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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GTA V FTW
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:17:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
How about your third world education level. Please do not waist you time on a guide if your going to use your 1st grade righting skills. dyslexia is a fight i don't feel like undertaking today. i dont bring my A game to shitpost on the forums sir.
A game??????
I am talking about 1st grade basics like starting sentences with Capital letters. Oh and BTW these forums even have spell check for you and underline misspelled words for you to review and fix.
LOL A game! |
RevoItZ
Red Star. EoN.
413
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:18:00 -
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Who the hell are you?!
Winner of EU Prime League Tournament
Winner of EU Squad Cup
RIP MAG
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2617
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:23:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
How about your third world education level. Please do not waist you time on a guide if your going to use your 1st grade righting skills. dyslexia is a fight i don't feel like undertaking today. i dont bring my A game to shitpost on the forums sir. A game?????? I am talking about 1st grade basics like starting sentences with Capital letters. Oh and BTW these forums even have spell check for you and underline misspelled words for you to review and fix. LOL A game!
if it so offends you then please by all means edit my posts and repost them in their entirety for me to copy/paste.
ill pay 1 isk per word to not have to give a ****.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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GTA V FTW
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:28:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
How about your third world education level. Please do not waist you time on a guide if your going to use your 1st grade righting skills. dyslexia is a fight i don't feel like undertaking today. i dont bring my A game to shitpost on the forums sir. A game?????? I am talking about 1st grade basics like starting sentences with Capital letters. Oh and BTW these forums even have spell check for you and underline misspelled words for you to review and fix. LOL A game! if it so offends you then please by all means edit my posts and repost them in their entirety for me to copy/paste. ill pay 1 isk per word to not have to give a ****.
You still live with your mommy don't you? Pssst, look in a mirror. You see that neck full of hair? Yeah that is what is known as a neck beard and contrary to what you mommy might be telling you, no that will never get you laid.
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First Prophet
Followers of The Prophet
2135
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:34:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:but the real question of course is am i dust famous yet?
Who are you again?
People find this this review helpful!
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2618
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:34:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:
You still live with your mommy don't you? Pssst, look in a mirror. You see that neck full of hair? Yeah that is what is known as a neck beard and contrary to what you mommy might be telling you, no that will never get you laid.
so being a grammer **** diddnt seem to illicit the responce you wanted so your attempting to escalate now?
if it wasnt so amusing to watch you make an ass of yoruself ide tell you to stop wasteing your time.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Immortal John Ripper
26804
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:36:00 -
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*eats taco*
True Adamance = #1 poster
IJR = #1 in likes
The Amarr control and dominate these forums.All your base are belong to us
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2618
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:39:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:*eats taco* share?
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
513
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:46:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:
i was also so damn disapointed at the lack of organisation and tactics that i just say out of PC. that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
WAS or IS still that bad? I've always been kinda curious about PC but since I don't really talk to anyone in game and my corp consists of me and 3 friends none of which play anymore my options are somewhat limited.
I feel ya on the crap connection thing, I'm downtown T.O. and it's ok'ish for the part but good luck doing anything on a sunday.
IDK about famous but I know who you are... admittedly that doesn't likely help lol
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2687
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:52:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:A guide on PC tactics, prepare for a lot of criticism...
I play multiple PC's daily and i have not seen you on the other side or on my side ever in the past months. PC tactics change constantly with updates and hotfixes. if you are not up to date might as well not make a guide.
I agree about the tactics changing -- that is very true.
Ghost is a quality player, however, with a good tactical/strategic head on his shoulders -- no doubt about that.
Ghost would be welcomed with open arms in ML, and if he wanted to play for us he only needs to put in an application. We generally don't pay people for their services, however, so there's that.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2620
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:52:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
i was also so damn disapointed at the lack of organisation and tactics that i just say out of PC. that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
WAS or IS still that bad? I've always been kinda curious about PC but since I don't really talk to anyone in game and my corp consists of me and 3 friends none of which play anymore my options are somewhat limited. I feel ya on the crap connection thing, I'm downtown T.O. and it's ok'ish for the part but good luck doing anything on a sunday. IDK about famous but I know who you are... admittedly that doesn't likely help lol
your closest to the nearest ontario HUB good sir.
your enjoying the finest internet canada has to offer.
i just had to bribe a tech to fix my internet because his contract said he couldnt fix it because i wasnt a bell customer, but my internet supplier couldnt fix it because bell owns the line and as part of the contract they HAVE to use bells techs for maintanance calls.... great things these monopolies are.
was bad, i have pretty much refused to rejoin the PC scene so im not entirely sure what it looks like at the moment.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2622
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:57:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:A guide on PC tactics, prepare for a lot of criticism...
I play multiple PC's daily and i have not seen you on the other side or on my side ever in the past months. PC tactics change constantly with updates and hotfixes. if you are not up to date might as well not make a guide. I agree about the tactics changing -- that is very true. Ghost is a quality player, however, with a good tactical/strategic head on his shoulders -- no doubt about that. Ghost would be welcomed with open arms in ML, and if he wanted to play for us he only needs to put in an application. We generally don't pay people for their services, however, so there's that.
metagames come and go, but the tactics of war remain true in all metagames.
if i was flying a python ide require refunds for lost ships due to my knack for using them as if they were vipers (it takes to long to land so i just tend to crash em because its faster and provides cover for my hax)
but i speced out of em so no worries there. i actually like alot of you ML guys so i might actually concider it
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1040
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:40:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:i feel so left out after having been here for so long.
Ive been thinking of doing a guide full of Advance teambuilding/squad/TeamComp/Map/FC tactics complete with pictures but its going to take a LOT of work since i was planning on detailing map dinamics with color coded spots for positive and negative cover, attack lines, and natural battle line formation.
was just wondering if it was something that was in demand since theres a lot of good stuff ive collected over the years that would help out struggling PC teams, aspiring commanders, and vets alike.
It really won't. What would be useful, right now, would be a straightforward written guide that introduces new FC's to the core strategic ideas that are going to be necessary for PC:
- How you're going to layout your team, basic composition ideas. The new FC should walk away with the guide with a firm understanding that s/he MUST have a rough composition and strategy before the game starts.
- How you need to start a match, with particular emphasis on how to build your team for speed capturing objectives and laying uplinks. Again, and FC should walk away understanding that the beginning 30s of a match must be executed well for your team to have a ghost (the puns!) of a chance of winning.
- The basics about drop ships, uplinks, and other spawning measures. In the current climate it's essential that any aspiring FC understand the crucial nature of spawn points and placement.
- Vehicle basics, including an emphasis on how losing infantry members on-the-ground is a serious cost for calling in a tanker/ADS pilot/whatever.
Essentially what you want is the "here's the bare minimum of what you need to play PC competitively" guide.
I started in on writing a document like this, but didn't find the time to finish it. It seems that I've thrown away all my notes, which is also a bit unfortunate as I'd offer them to anyone who's seriously looking at providing some documentation.
To your question about color coded maps, attack lines, and "natural battle line formation", all of that will be too detailed for anybody who needs documentation to make use of. Only a very small number of people are going to decide that they want to start a team into PC, a smaller number will come to the forums or wherever else and find your documentation, and then an even smaller number will have the mental tenacity to digest that type of guide.
Those FC's who already have a grasp of the tactics and logistics probably aren't going to find something like this particularly useful either. Map colorations and battle lines? If you're already experienced, you know what's going on. If you're not, then there's very little way that you're going to look at material like that and be like: "Oh, the next level." Maybe if we had a glut of middle-tier PC teams looking to step it up to the next level that type of material might be useful. At the present though? The split looks more bimodal: There are a lot of newer teams that don't understand basic Skirmish strategy, such that they'll instantly lose to any team that does. Then there are a core of teams who do understand those strategies, and they're pretty much the "top" teams that are left playing by this point.
If you end up making that introductory guide then I will call you Dust famous at least. ;3
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
Have a pony
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2622
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:49:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i feel so left out after having been here for so long.
Ive been thinking of doing a guide full of Advance teambuilding/squad/TeamComp/Map/FC tactics complete with pictures but its going to take a LOT of work since i was planning on detailing map dinamics with color coded spots for positive and negative cover, attack lines, and natural battle line formation.
was just wondering if it was something that was in demand since theres a lot of good stuff ive collected over the years that would help out struggling PC teams, aspiring commanders, and vets alike. It really won't. What would be useful, right now, would be a straightforward written guide that introduces new FC's to the core strategic ideas that are going to be necessary for PC: - How you're going to layout your team, basic composition ideas. The new FC should walk away with the guide with a firm understanding that s/he MUST have a rough composition and strategy before the game starts. - How you need to start a match, with particular emphasis on how to build your team for speed capturing objectives and laying uplinks. Again, and FC should walk away understanding that the beginning 30s of a match must be executed well for your team to have a ghost (the puns!) of a chance of winning. - The basics about drop ships, uplinks, and other spawning measures. In the current climate it's essential that any aspiring FC understand the crucial nature of spawn points and placement. - Vehicle basics, including an emphasis on how losing infantry members on-the-ground is a serious cost for calling in a tanker/ADS pilot/whatever. Essentially what you want is the "here's the bare minimum of what you need to play PC competitively" guide. I started in on writing a document like this, but didn't find the time to finish it. It seems that I've thrown away all my notes, which is also a bit unfortunate as I'd offer them to anyone who's seriously looking at providing some documentation. To your question about color coded maps, attack lines, and "natural battle line formation", all of that will be too detailed for anybody who needs documentation to make use of. Only a very small number of people are going to decide that they want to start a team into PC, a smaller number will come to the forums or wherever else and find your documentation, and then an even smaller number will have the mental tenacity to digest that type of guide. Those FC's who already have a grasp of the tactics and logistics probably aren't going to find something like this particularly useful either. Map colorations and battle lines? If you're already experienced, you know what's going on. If you're not, then there's very little way that you're going to look at material like that and be like: "Oh, the next level." Maybe if we had a glut of middle-tier PC teams looking to step it up to the next level that type of material might be useful. At the present though? The split looks more bimodal: There are a lot of newer teams that don't understand basic Skirmish strategy, such that they'll instantly lose to any team that does. Then there are a core of teams who do understand those strategies, and they're pretty much the "top" teams that are left playing by this point. If you end up making that introductory guide then I will call you Dust famous at least. ;3
that was.... excellent feedback
thank you
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2689
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:58:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:...a lot of good feedback...
Good to see you, Leither.
Where have you been?
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:13:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:*eats taco* share? Sure.
True Adamance = #1 poster
IJR = #1 in likes
The Amarr control and dominate these forums.All your base are belong to us
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General John Ripper
26838
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:13:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:*eats taco* share? Sure.
True Adamance = #1 poster
IJR = #1 in likes
The Amarr control and dominate these forums.All your base are belong to us
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2626
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:34:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:*eats taco* share? Sure. *nomnomnom*
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1041
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:38:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:...a lot of good feedback... Good to see you, Leither. Where have you been? Miss playing with you, bro.
Not playing much of anything, including Dust. Too much intervening real life, too little improvement to Dust. I keep up with the changes, but as much as Rat has proven that he has a good head on his shoulders, there same core problems with the game that have stuck around for the last 1.5 years haven't been touched much.
PC changes are sounding interesting, though it's still a bad sell that they're doing PC before Fac War.
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
Have a pony
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4956
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:53:00 -
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A bit of advice from someone who's done it: You're being far too ambitious and will end up either taking 3x longer than you think it will or get frustrated and never finish it.
Writing my first guide, on uplink tactics, turned into this massive wall of text because, like you, I aimed to be as comprehensive as possible. It totally got away from me and ended up taking upwards of 12 hours to do. There's a lot of (hopefully good) stuff in there but it's so long a lot of people probably don't get to it all. Even worse, every time there's a major update it's a huge undertaking to edit the guide to reflect the changes. I have no idea when I'll be able to put BW into it, I just don't have time!
So, I stripped down my approach and kept it simple when I wrote a guide to using the LR and it was much much easier.
I'd suggest starting with a very basic guide first, stick it in the rookie section. Real PC people are most likely either not going to read it or already know. Look through the rookie section first too, a lot of stuff has been covered before so you can refer to it and save youself some work.
Simple tactics. How to approach the objective, when to defend or move on. Counters to the most common couple of offensive strategies. Basic squad compisition.
Keep it basic and aimed at those who don't have much experience so they can learn some of those lessons without having to get stomped out of PC while doing it, like EoN or AE did to the rest of us.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1282
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:56:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote: there same core problems with the game that have stuck around for the last 1.5 years haven't been touched much.
PC changes are sounding interesting, though it's still a bad sell that they're doing PC before Fac War.
Exactly. Fix the framerate issues in PC before you add new maps just causing more problems.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1399
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:11:00 -
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I know who you are,well i know your name.
The question is,do you know mine? Because i know i'm not forum famous.
Official Blueberry of the Forums.
Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1429
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:28:00 -
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yes you are. welcome to the big leagues
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2633
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:29:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:yes you are. welcome to the big leagues
your like count looks a little peckish, so i donated you one
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1429
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:32:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:yes you are. welcome to the big leagues your like count looks a little peckish, so i donated you one
2 can play at that game
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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StubbyDucky
386
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:29:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote: there same core problems with the game that have stuck around for the last 1.5 years haven't been touched much.
PC changes are sounding interesting, though it's still a bad sell that they're doing PC before Fac War. Exactly. Fix the framerate issues in PC before you add new maps just causing more problems.
Framerate lag in PC and LOL 16v16 are the two main reason I gave up any hope that this game would ever be good.
Meh, nothing to see here!
Move along please, move along.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
5508
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:44:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:i feel so left out after having been here for so long.
Ive been thinking of doing a guide full of Advance teambuilding/squad/TeamComp/Map/FC tactics complete with pictures but its going to take a LOT of work since i was planning on detailing map dinamics with color coded spots for positive and negative cover, attack lines, and natural battle line formation.
was just wondering if it was something that was in demand since theres a lot of good stuff ive collected over the years that would help out struggling PC teams, aspiring commanders, and vets alike. I remember your name... so that is a start.
This project sounds very interesting, and would set you apart for doing something that no one else has really done on the same level, so I expect you would definitely be forum famous if you published this analysis.
I would certainly be interested to see it.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
5511
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:56:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:Fellow Hungarian mates put together a few very-very detailed EVE and DUST guides, you can find them here. http://www.isktheguide.com/The Vol. 3 (DUST) maybe a bit outdated but I recommend to mail the author (Laci) with a request to help with updating it. Last time I checked I was the author of 9% of ISK The Guide Vol.3 (DUST). Makes me feel important.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
5511
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:59:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:WARxion ForDUST wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:WARxion ForDUST wrote:Fellow Hungarian mates put together a few very-very detailed EVE and DUST guides, you can find them here. http://www.isktheguide.com/The Vol. 3 (DUST) maybe a bit outdated but I recommend to mail the author (Laci) with a request to help with updating it. its a little.... low on detail level. im talking micro manage tactics like a football team uses plays not "this is what this module does!!!!" im noot touching fittings with a 10foot pole and aside from small notes in how one would build a team i dont really talk about the suits themselves as a single person... im more interested in detailing what to do on a squad/team level than an individual one Just as I said, send them a mail with your ideas to improve the PC or whatever chapter. are they going to pay me? im a dust merc, i dont do **** so that someone else can make a profit. You can download the guide for free... and how are you ever going to become DUST famous if you don't let people publish your work?
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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