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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.12.18 12:37:00 -
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i feel so left out after having been here for so long.
Ive been thinking of doing a guide full of Advance teambuilding/squad/TeamComp/Map/FC tactics complete with pictures but its going to take a LOT of work since i was planning on detailing map dinamics with color coded spots for positive and negative cover, attack lines, and natural battle line formation.
was just wondering if it was something that was in demand since theres a lot of good stuff ive collected over the years that would help out struggling PC teams, aspiring commanders, and vets alike.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 12:45:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i feel so left out after having been here for so long.
Ive been thinking of doing a guide full of Advance teambuilding/squad/TeamComp/Map/FC tactics complete with pictures but its going to take a LOT of work since i was planning on detailing map dinamics with color coded spots for positive and negative cover, attack lines, and natural battle line formation.
was just wondering if it was something that was in demand since theres a lot of good stuff ive collected over the years that would help out struggling PC teams, aspiring commanders, and vets alike. Detailed map images like you said sound like a really good idea, IDK how much help it would be to vets but might help the noobs realize which uplinks to use and what hills to not go charging over, a bit of basic tactics never hurt anyone.
ive played for top tier PC teams....
trust me when i say it would help them
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Posted - 2014.12.18 12:49:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Just keep in mind this is a forum and no-one takes the time to read anything more than two sentences long.
theres pretty pictures involved for those who dont read good
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Posted - 2014.12.18 12:56:00 -
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but the real question of course is am i dust famous yet?
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Posted - 2014.12.18 13:02:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:Fellow Hungarian mates put together a few very-very detailed EVE and DUST guides, you can find them here. http://www.isktheguide.com/The Vol. 3 (DUST) maybe a bit outdated but I recommend to mail the author (Laci) with a request to help with updating it.
its a little.... low on detail level.
im talking micro manage tactics like a football team uses plays not "this is what this module does!!!!"
im noot touching fittings with a 10foot pole and aside from small notes in how one would build a team i dont really talk about the suits themselves as a single person... im more interested in detailing what to do on a squad/team level than an individual one
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Posted - 2014.12.18 13:24:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:WARxion ForDUST wrote:Fellow Hungarian mates put together a few very-very detailed EVE and DUST guides, you can find them here. http://www.isktheguide.com/The Vol. 3 (DUST) maybe a bit outdated but I recommend to mail the author (Laci) with a request to help with updating it. its a little.... low on detail level. im talking micro manage tactics like a football team uses plays not "this is what this module does!!!!" im noot touching fittings with a 10foot pole and aside from small notes in how one would build a team i dont really talk about the suits themselves as a single person... im more interested in detailing what to do on a squad/team level than an individual one Just as I said, send them a mail with your ideas to improve the PC or whatever chapter.
are they going to pay me? im a dust merc, i dont do **** so that someone else can make a profit.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:20:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i feel so left out after having been here for so long.
Ive been thinking of doing a guide full of Advance teambuilding/squad/TeamComp/Map/FC tactics complete with pictures but its going to take a LOT of work since i was planning on detailing map dinamics with color coded spots for positive and negative cover, attack lines, and natural battle line formation.
was just wondering if it was something that was in demand since theres a lot of good stuff ive collected over the years that would help out struggling PC teams, aspiring commanders, and vets alike. Detailed map images like you said sound like a really good idea, IDK how much help it would be to vets but might help the noobs realize which uplinks to use and what hills to not go charging over, a bit of basic tactics never hurt anyone. ive played for top tier PC teams.... trust me when i say it would help them Top Tier? Who.... I have always thought you as more like mid tier considerin I never seen you in any of the A-team battles in any of the wars... But yes you are kinda forum famous.
faught for both fatal absolution and anchient exhiles during the FA/AE/Nian war where nobody but those 3 teams faught (some exceptions) right before the big blue donut :P
i was also so damn disapointed at the lack of organisation and tactics that i just say out of PC. that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:41:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
faught for both fatal absolution and anchient exhiles during the FA/AE/Nian war where nobody but those 3 teams faught (some exceptions) right before the big blue donut :P
i was also so damn disapointed at the lack of organisation and tactics that i just say out of PC. that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
Ohh that was right after I left the scene. Blue donut was my fault :p I will take the blame. It happened because I left pc. I was the one hope for the game and I failed. JK JK lack of organization? was it really that bad? When I fought with TP we were all pretty organized, same with OH. Never fought on AE's side but I fought against their A-team plenty of times to know how good they are. If you fought with those corps A teams then you should have been introduced to some of the same tactics I have.
their strength lies purely inn the strength of their individuals. they play off each other but not WITH each other.
organisation seems to be limited to overall game plan and an opening play like rushing red home point or 2x dropship deploy under MCC, and static predictable uplink placement, as well as an FC calling out aswitch here and there and raging when its not fast enough (despite no setup)
nobody runs plays mid game past the opener and once things settle in unless a single member of the team does something out of the ordanary on their own initiative the games set in stone at the 5 minuite mark.
nobody runs pratices, named playes, attack setups (after the opener)
i once got praised by a third party in channel but not in game simply because i could do propper comms chatter and call outs in a game i was playing for FA
nobody uses landmarks or grids
nobody holds a battle line on purpose (as a squad rather than an individual)
its all about simple blitzecrieg mechanics and an opening play that is likely being done by the enamy team as well
at some level you see some basic squad setup, but only becuase of familiarity rather than intent.
overall everythings REALLY basic. give me an army ill show you the difference.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:59:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
faught for both fatal absolution and anchient exhiles during the FA/AE/Nian war where nobody but those 3 teams faught (some exceptions) right before the big blue donut :P
i was also so damn disapointed at the lack of organisation and tactics that i just say out of PC. that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
Ohh that was right after I left the scene. Blue donut was my fault :p I will take the blame. It happened because I left pc. I was the one hope for the game and I failed. JK JK lack of organization? was it really that bad? When I fought with TP we were all pretty organized, same with OH. Never fought on AE's side but I fought against their A-team plenty of times to know how good they are. If you fought with those corps A teams then you should have been introduced to some of the same tactics I have. their strength lies purely inn the strength of their individuals. they play off each other but not WITH each other. organisation seems to be limited to overall game plan and an opening play like rushing red home point or 2x dropship deploy under MCC, and static predictable uplink placement, as well as an FC calling out aswitch here and there and raging when its not fast enough (despite no setup) nobody runs plays mid game past the opener and once things settle in unless a single member of the team does something out of the ordanary on their own initiative the games set in stone at the 5 minuite mark. nobody runs pratices, named playes, attack setups (after the opener) i once got praised by a third party in channel but not in game simply because i could do propper comms chatter and call outs in a game i was playing for FA (and was the only one doing so) nobody uses landmarks or grids nobody holds a battle line on purpose (as a squad rather than an individual) its all about simple blitzecrieg mechanics and an opening play that is likely being done by the enamy team as well at some level you see some basic squad setup, but only becuase of familiarity rather than intent. overall everythings REALLY basic. give me an army ill show you the difference. Then nevermind. You don't know any of the strategies I have been introduced too. Defending is pretty straightforward but taking points each takes strategy. Not just run in firing blindly. I get that and I fought with top corps who had their own strats for taking objectives other than running in blind. I guess it is true what everyone says.... The skill level has really dropped since the old days.
there were some very basic stuff towards that but overall it just diddnt impress me
Nyian san is ALOT more oraganised ive noticed... ive peaked in on their comms in a pub match... i had no idea what was being said but i knew EXACTLY what was going on.... it was scary... and it was a pub match. other than that i dont know much about their operation other than it can be defeated by a suicidal dropship pilot with a habbit of crashing on purpose.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:02:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:I miss cubs.
yah his team was more oraganised than the ones i find nowadays, hes a poor sport about stuff though.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:09:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:I miss cubs. yah his team was more oraganised than the ones i find nowadays, hes a poor sport about stuff though. Meh, Zatara was 100x worse and he is just a cheap imitation. After pc, I would go play 3 games and turn corp comms back on and he is stilll talking about the pc match . LOLOL.
I KNOW!!!!!!
great at finding talent.... horrable at using it
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:10:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
How about your third world education level. Please do not waist you time on a guide if your going to use your 1st grade righting skills.
dyslexia is a fight i don't feel like undertaking today.
i dont bring my A game to shitpost on the forums sir.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:23:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
How about your third world education level. Please do not waist you time on a guide if your going to use your 1st grade righting skills. dyslexia is a fight i don't feel like undertaking today. i dont bring my A game to shitpost on the forums sir. A game?????? I am talking about 1st grade basics like starting sentences with Capital letters. Oh and BTW these forums even have spell check for you and underline misspelled words for you to review and fix. LOL A game!
if it so offends you then please by all means edit my posts and repost them in their entirety for me to copy/paste.
ill pay 1 isk per word to not have to give a ****.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:34:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:
You still live with your mommy don't you? Pssst, look in a mirror. You see that neck full of hair? Yeah that is what is known as a neck beard and contrary to what you mommy might be telling you, no that will never get you laid.
so being a grammer **** diddnt seem to illicit the responce you wanted so your attempting to escalate now?
if it wasnt so amusing to watch you make an ass of yoruself ide tell you to stop wasteing your time.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:39:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:*eats taco* share?
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:52:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
i was also so damn disapointed at the lack of organisation and tactics that i just say out of PC. that and i have thrid world internet due to canadas wonderful monopoly that grants us 5% of the speed for 500% of the price of third world countries.
WAS or IS still that bad? I've always been kinda curious about PC but since I don't really talk to anyone in game and my corp consists of me and 3 friends none of which play anymore my options are somewhat limited. I feel ya on the crap connection thing, I'm downtown T.O. and it's ok'ish for the part but good luck doing anything on a sunday. IDK about famous but I know who you are... admittedly that doesn't likely help lol
your closest to the nearest ontario HUB good sir.
your enjoying the finest internet canada has to offer.
i just had to bribe a tech to fix my internet because his contract said he couldnt fix it because i wasnt a bell customer, but my internet supplier couldnt fix it because bell owns the line and as part of the contract they HAVE to use bells techs for maintanance calls.... great things these monopolies are.
was bad, i have pretty much refused to rejoin the PC scene so im not entirely sure what it looks like at the moment.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:57:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:A guide on PC tactics, prepare for a lot of criticism...
I play multiple PC's daily and i have not seen you on the other side or on my side ever in the past months. PC tactics change constantly with updates and hotfixes. if you are not up to date might as well not make a guide. I agree about the tactics changing -- that is very true. Ghost is a quality player, however, with a good tactical/strategic head on his shoulders -- no doubt about that. Ghost would be welcomed with open arms in ML, and if he wanted to play for us he only needs to put in an application. We generally don't pay people for their services, however, so there's that.
metagames come and go, but the tactics of war remain true in all metagames.
if i was flying a python ide require refunds for lost ships due to my knack for using them as if they were vipers (it takes to long to land so i just tend to crash em because its faster and provides cover for my hax)
but i speced out of em so no worries there. i actually like alot of you ML guys so i might actually concider it
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:49:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i feel so left out after having been here for so long.
Ive been thinking of doing a guide full of Advance teambuilding/squad/TeamComp/Map/FC tactics complete with pictures but its going to take a LOT of work since i was planning on detailing map dinamics with color coded spots for positive and negative cover, attack lines, and natural battle line formation.
was just wondering if it was something that was in demand since theres a lot of good stuff ive collected over the years that would help out struggling PC teams, aspiring commanders, and vets alike. It really won't. What would be useful, right now, would be a straightforward written guide that introduces new FC's to the core strategic ideas that are going to be necessary for PC: - How you're going to layout your team, basic composition ideas. The new FC should walk away with the guide with a firm understanding that s/he MUST have a rough composition and strategy before the game starts. - How you need to start a match, with particular emphasis on how to build your team for speed capturing objectives and laying uplinks. Again, and FC should walk away understanding that the beginning 30s of a match must be executed well for your team to have a ghost (the puns!) of a chance of winning. - The basics about drop ships, uplinks, and other spawning measures. In the current climate it's essential that any aspiring FC understand the crucial nature of spawn points and placement. - Vehicle basics, including an emphasis on how losing infantry members on-the-ground is a serious cost for calling in a tanker/ADS pilot/whatever. Essentially what you want is the "here's the bare minimum of what you need to play PC competitively" guide. I started in on writing a document like this, but didn't find the time to finish it. It seems that I've thrown away all my notes, which is also a bit unfortunate as I'd offer them to anyone who's seriously looking at providing some documentation. To your question about color coded maps, attack lines, and "natural battle line formation", all of that will be too detailed for anybody who needs documentation to make use of. Only a very small number of people are going to decide that they want to start a team into PC, a smaller number will come to the forums or wherever else and find your documentation, and then an even smaller number will have the mental tenacity to digest that type of guide. Those FC's who already have a grasp of the tactics and logistics probably aren't going to find something like this particularly useful either. Map colorations and battle lines? If you're already experienced, you know what's going on. If you're not, then there's very little way that you're going to look at material like that and be like: "Oh, the next level." Maybe if we had a glut of middle-tier PC teams looking to step it up to the next level that type of material might be useful. At the present though? The split looks more bimodal: There are a lot of newer teams that don't understand basic Skirmish strategy, such that they'll instantly lose to any team that does. Then there are a core of teams who do understand those strategies, and they're pretty much the "top" teams that are left playing by this point. If you end up making that introductory guide then I will call you Dust famous at least. ;3
that was.... excellent feedback
thank you
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:34:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:*eats taco* share? Sure. *nomnomnom*
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:29:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:yes you are. welcome to the big leagues
your like count looks a little peckish, so i donated you one
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:54:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:
You still live with your mommy don't you? Pssst, look in a mirror. You see that neck full of hair? Yeah that is what is known as a neck beard and contrary to what you mommy might be telling you, no that will never get you laid.
so being a grammer **** diddnt seem to illicit the responce you wanted so your attempting to escalate now? if it wasnt so amusing to watch you make an ass of yoruself ide tell you to stop wasteing your time. I know this is off topic, but I am curious as to why so many people don't start their sentences with capital letters these days? Of course when I send texts on my phone I use a stylist, write my text out longhand, and use character recognition software to convert into a character font before sending, so maybe I would not understand... As a dyslexic myself I don't buy the dyslexia argument for poor capitalization.
because i work all day and dont want to spend effort on a shitpost on some video game forums.
i just type, i dont bother trying to edit it becuase editing gives me a headache and it aint worth my time.
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Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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