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King Bolly Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:13:00 - [1] - Quote ive noticed in game that everyone complains about proto stompers. then as soon as they get the opportunity what do they do? throw on their full proto suit and stomp lol. im guilty I admit , so I don't complain about it. I find it funny. i have been in many full proto squads were my squadmates are complaining that nyan san only beat us that round because they were proto stomping. um... so were we. i know im not the only one who sees this. at this point in the game most of us have full proto gear.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 313	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:16:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah, I like to ask people if they had a lambo setting in the garage would they not drive it because everyone else on the road is gonna be upset? It's your gear, you earned it and you payed for it one way or another through work. Be you earning isk in game or your paying money you actually worked for to spend arum. I say use it or there is no point of having it :D G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Anthany sandifer The2nd Eternal Beings 14	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:33:00 - [3] - Quote I agree..before I got my pro logi when I would get proto stomped and would complain or rage quit at times like a noob. Then I got used to it. Now I got my proto logi. But don't use it in pubs alot. Only fw and pc I would use it more Pew pew and support The life of a logi and scout
King Bolly Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:33:00 - [4] - Quote What feels better than killing a proto suit in a cheap suit? tea bagging then double tapping them for the termination of their clone. if your lucky you can wait for a troll medic then kill them upon revival. nothing beats that feeling.
King Bolly Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:36:00 - [5] - Quote King Bolly wrote: What feels better than killing a proto suit in a cheap suit? tea bagging then double tapping them for the termination of their clone. if your lucky you can wait for a troll medic then kill them upon revival. nothing beats that feeling. well... maybe blowing up 3 of them at the same time with remotes
King Bolly Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:38:00 - [6] - Quote Anthany sandifer The2nd wrote: I agree..before I got my pro logi when I would get proto stomped and would complain or rage quit at times like a noob. Then I got used to it. Now I got my proto logi. But don't use it in pubs alot. Only fw and pc I would use it more i "stomp" pubs often (just being honest). i would save it for faction if i could ever get into a game in less than 10-20 minuits
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 902	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:27:00 - [7] - Quote I am currently on my first Proto binge. Yes, Proto does make a difference. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Please stop comparing DUST to TF2 -_-
Union118 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:29:00 - [8] - Quote King Bolly wrote: ive noticed in game that everyone complains about proto stompers. then as soon as they get the opportunity what do they do? throw on their full proto suit and stomp lol. im guilty I admit , so I don't complain about it. I find it funny. i have been in many full proto squads were my squadmates are complaining that nyan san only beat us that round because they were proto stomping. um... so were we. i know im not the only one who sees this. at this point in the game most of us have full proto gear. I stomp when I get stomped to much but i wish I could just use starter suits all the time. I hate proto it to much of advantage on pubs. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5136	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:38:00 - [9] - Quote I don't always use proto, but when I do, it's a Logistics Gk.0 with scans.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1978	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:42:00 - [10] - Quote I'm very hypocritical, with all my 81 protos just sitting there and me never complaining. On other news it turns out that I was using STD suits thinking it was ADV. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 357 boxes...0 keys

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2970	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote The first 20 months I played this game, I never used Prototype gear. At least not a Prototype Suit or weapon because I was saving money. Now I do because I realized that having 50 million isk and not using gear that actually spends that money is pointless, though I still only used Advanced weapons because of the cost to effectiveness ratio. What is funny is that I still sometimes b*ch and moan when someone kills me with Prototype gear. "Ohh, good for you! You kill me in proto-, oh, right, I was in my prototype Scout." Just a reflex from the last 20 months. I can still understand why people do not like prototype gear as they may still be new players or going to a new role. When someone has double your HP and probably 20% more DPS, you cannot kill them nearly as effectively as they can kill you. Some people may still be trying to earn enough money to effectively use prototype gear for as long as the game holds their interest like many of us. What I think is the funniest thing is the arguments for using prototype gear rather than "well, I have the money and the gear is better so I use it", which is honesty. "I use it because ISK payouts are so low that I cannot afford to die many times." Which is basically "I cannot afford to get a scratch on my Ford Escort so I am driving a Lamborghini." * "We use it because we are better than you. You see, we were able to be isk positive when we were using basic gear and now we are isk positive using proto gear. We are so much better than you because we can use proto gear!" It is basically the flipped version of "I don't use proto gear so I am better than you." * "It is exciting to use prototype gear!" This is only true if you are SP high and ISK really low. Of course, the only Prototype suit I use is my Scout because my advanced Logi is nearly the same price and I am still a miserly bastard. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:51:00 - [12] - Quote I'm wierd. I have access to proto but never use it in pubs. Tried it once and felt dirty. Far more of a challenge to stay out of proto. I think I would get bored too quick and start blaming new players in militia gear for everything if I ran proto all the time. That said, full core skills and advanced gear is just the same until a proto squad turns up.
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:53:00 - [13] - Quote Bar Be wrote: I'm wierd. I have access to proto but never use it in pubs. Tried it once and felt dirty. Far more of a challenge to stay out of proto. I think I would get bored too quick and start blaming new players in militia gear for everything if I ran proto all the time. That said, full core skills and advanced gear is just the same until a proto squad turns up. Scratch that, I use a proto forge when a vehicle gets on my nerves...
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2662	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:19:00 - [14] - Quote I've never had problems with people running Proto suits. To me, it simply means they are trying. I have far larger issues with people doing nothing in standard, starter or free suits. You generally don't have that issue with people who run proto (redline snipers notwithstanding).
Duke Noobiam The Dukes of Death 291	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:48:00 - [15] - Quote Personally I think running Proto in Pubs is bad form as it hurts new player retention. That said, if the other team is full of proto running stompers then I run proto. Proto is FW is fine and in PC it is expected/necessary.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 26	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:58:00 - [16] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Personally I think running Proto in Pubs is bad form as it hurts new player retention. That said, if the other team is full of proto running stompers then I run proto. Proto is FW is fine and in PC it is expected/necessary. True... A TRUE PROTOGEAR (not aurum ones)... got lvl 4-5 in profency... so they can play with basic and adv gear... and still have advantage and is not expensive... but... Playing with a proto aurum (the only requirement is lvl3) is a cheap advantage... (pay to win) This is the bussines for CCP... "moaaa!!! mom... a scrub kill me with a super powered suit... give me $20 so i can buy it one too !!!" Good for bussines, bad for Players retention.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 509	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:38:00 - [17] - Quote Bar Be wrote: Scratch that, I use a proto forge when a vehicle gets on my nerves... I was going to say ^that^ exact thing hahaha I don't run proto in pubs either, not because I can't afford it or have any huge ethical issue with it (depending on the skill and equipment of the opponents) but mostly just because I seem to have some kind of neuroses where I MUST stay isk positive in matches. In the last year I think I've gone negative maybe 5 times and that's including crashing ADS's before the price dump. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Immortal John Ripper 26750	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:42:00 - [18] - Quote But... I look cuter in proto. True Adamance = #1 poster IJR = #1 in likes The Amarr control and dominate these forums.All your base are belong to us
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3951	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:44:00 - [19] - Quote I don't always use proto but when I do. Who am I kidding I always run proto. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
G Felix Titans of Phoenix 418	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:53:00 - [20] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Personally I think running Proto in Pubs is bad form as it hurts new player retention. That said, if the other team is full of proto running stompers then I run proto. Proto is FW is fine and in PC it is expected/necessary. True... A TRUE PROTOGEAR (not aurum ones)... got lvl 4-5 in profency... so they can play with basic and adv gear... and still have advantage and is not expensive... but... Playing with a proto aurum (the only requirement is lvl3) is a cheap advantage... (pay to win) This is the bussines for CCP... "moaaa!!! mom... a scrub kill me with a super powered suit... give me $20 so i can buy it one too !!!" Good for bussines, bad for Players retention. I understand your frustration with Aurum gear having lower SP requirements, but as far as player retention is concerned I think you have it backwards. A new player can save literally millions of SP by using the $4.99 racial packs to gain access to proto gear and get a competitive edge against players with over 50 mil more SP than they have. Allowing newer players to use the best gear in the game is not going to discourage them from playing, if anything it will help keep them feeling enthusiastic about the massive uphill climb they have ahead of them to keep pace with the beta vets. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)

gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:00:00 - [21] - Quote i dont bring the proto till i die by proto. and thats both suit and gun i love the hatemail from it "running proto in pubs is unsportsman like conduct" and such but my answer to the hatemail is always the same i dont bring the proto till i die by proto tell it to your own side also play as strangeland stranger, gauntlett5487, and balacs sixkin
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 632	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:24:00 - [22] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i dont bring the proto till i die by proto. and thats both suit and gun i love the hatemail from it "running proto in pubs is unsportsman like conduct" and such but my answer to the hatemail is always the same i dont bring the proto till i die by proto tell it to your own side You answer hatemail? Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:55:00 - [23] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i dont bring the proto till i die by proto. and thats both suit and gun i love the hatemail from it "running proto in pubs is unsportsman like conduct" and such but my answer to the hatemail is always the same i dont bring the proto till i die by proto tell it to your own side You answer hatemail? everytime also play as strangeland stranger, gauntlett5487, and balacs sixkin
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6419	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:02:00 - [24] - Quote Todays stompees are tomorrows stompers. And it's been that way in gaming since stomping began. I am GJRs Renfield. You heard it here first, I told you so.
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 948	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:22:00 - [25] - Quote I don't use proto in pubs generally. Its far to expensive for someone who rarely PCs anymore. My issue is the mentality of some corps that you HAVE to use proto. I joined a squad the other day (I was solo, and there was a spot free,) and after the match they asked if I could run proto. I said "yes, but I won't." They then said that they had to kick me from squad if I wasn't going to run proto. The funny thing about this, is that I did better than they did in my adv gear and they were all proto.... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6405	Posted - 2014.12.17 21:33:00 - [26] - Quote I use proto just if facing a Squad, to have some leverage. If playing vs randoms (an as a random myself) I run ADV suits...unless someone really p1sses me off in a proto suit. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3953	Posted - 2014.12.17 21:38:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I use proto just if facing a Squad, to have some leverage. If playing vs randoms (an as a random myself) I run ADV suits...unless someone really p1sses me off in a proto suit. I got hatemail from grupo last night.. They camped on top a building so I pulled out a Thales and sniped them =ƒÿ¢ Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 633	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:00:00 - [28] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i dont bring the proto till i die by proto. and thats both suit and gun i love the hatemail from it "running proto in pubs is unsportsman like conduct" and such but my answer to the hatemail is always the same i dont bring the proto till i die by proto tell it to your own side You answer hatemail? everytime wow.. Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 539	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:28:00 - [29] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I've never had problems with people running Proto suits. To me, it simply means they are trying. I have far larger issues with people doing nothing in standard, starter or free suits. You generally don't have that issue with people who run proto (redline snipers notwithstanding). Amen, also i would like to OB this whole thread, proto-stomping-sillypeople. Really, sod off with the whole player retention argument based on proto stuff people use. New people get scared off by being stomped around continuously by people that are BETTER then them. They run in squads, know the maps, know the fittings, know the FOTM, know typical player behavior. Which is fine... you can't seriously expect people who spent 1+ Years in this game to acquire SP and ISK for gear to not use it because the game needs more people playing it? If i had the ISK to run proto full time i clacking would. Isn't that the whole point of this mercenary mallarky? Just come up with a better Newbie pampering plan if you want them to stay, and if you want more people? Wake up the marketing team, you still have a commercial laying around. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Lloyd Orfay Kinsho Swords Caldari State 285	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:30:00 - [30] - Quote You need proto things for basic survival needs, so why not? Most scouts are useless and selfish players, and by that logic their suits should also be useless.

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1419	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:53:00 - [31] - Quote ugh god.. try wearing a black/yellow proto logi suit.. it might as well have neon sign that says "knife me minmatar scout" all over it.. an academy alt last like 2-3 hours now... if they really want a non challenge there's always that option to go academy alt. the fights there are not exactly boring, there is a lot a zeal amongst the newberries doing frontal assaults on each other in MLT gear, which is what a lot of posters seem to be demanding the game to be- when it already exists in academy. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
JEDI LORD HOTH Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:55:00 - [32] - Quote Froto runs proto with that ring. The dark side can kiss my @ss!
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14553	Posted - 2014.12.17 23:22:00 - [33] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: You answer hatemail? You should always answer hatemail, it lets you farm even more tears. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6478	Posted - 2014.12.17 23:26:00 - [34] - Quote peasant weapons are gross. ))<>(( [Event]Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE, Corp Services
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1127	Posted - 2014.12.17 23:50:00 - [35] - Quote Squads going from four to six is/was a bigger problem then proto gear. My play style doesn't lend itself to running proto full time but when I do my survival rate in any firefight goes up. Mostly due to me being more diligent in picking my battles but a good portion is because I can take down cheap and militia fits much faster. That's just me running solo, a full squad can really clean up if they get the other team into cheap fits early. Gear helps but the real force multiplier is squad size, not saying team works itself is the problem but a 6 man squad should have something more challenging to do then stomp pubs on a regular basis. The return of Corp battles would do wonders in that regard. /Faceplam
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3954	Posted - 2014.12.17 23:53:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: You answer hatemail? You should always answer hatemail, it lets you farm even more tears. Definitely answer with rekt, get good or my favorite "GG was very EZ" (Kobrah) Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Robocop Junior research lab 1001	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:00:00 - [37] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Atiim wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: You answer hatemail? You should always answer hatemail, it lets you farm even more tears. Definitely answer with rekt, get good or my favorite "GG was very EZ" (Kobrah) I like to wait a good 10 to 15 minutes til they settle down then respond with like "Sorry, was in the bathroom wiping my ass after all that shitting on you :D " If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 363	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:00:00 - [38] - Quote My sidearm is always advanced. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God FOR THE STATE
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 648	Posted - 2014.12.18 01:17:00 - [39] - Quote Ran my first proto fitting in 2 months. PRO Calscout and ARR. Rather easymode, but because the redberries were cheap-berries, not squadded protobears. 1 death though, and half the profit goes down the drain. Two, and I'm negative. Dom. Apocalyptic Destroyer and his Amarrian buds, all in PRO assaults. Only 6 of my team are ever present - the rest are cowering in the MCC. Nothing short of a Sentinel + LAV combo brings him down. I give up, because I'm 1) not a scrub 2) Will lose ISK engaging them. Verdict: PRO gives an advantage, not going to lie. That advantage is multiplied with a full squad of coherent PRO mates. Then added with blue fodder, and you have a STOMP going. Matchmaking is marred, burned, beaten, and thrown into a coffin. Public Announcement: Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1887	Posted - 2014.12.18 02:28:00 - [40] - Quote It's fun when you can still turn a profit too. This is what happens when you have a successful PC career. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5486	Posted - 2014.12.18 02:54:00 - [41] - Quote King Bolly wrote: ive noticed in game that everyone complains about proto stompers. then as soon as they get the opportunity what do they do? throw on their full proto suit and stomp lol. im guilty I admit , so I don't complain about it. I find it funny. i have been in many full proto squads were my squadmates are complaining that nyan san only beat us that round because they were proto stomping. um... so were we. i know im not the only one who sees this. at this point in the game most of us have full proto gear. I've literally never uttered the words, "he/they are running proto". I can't stand it when people complain about it. Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
Copharus Arkana Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.12.18 03:08:00 - [42] - Quote If you get beat easily by someone using all proto gear and complain about it, then you should stop blaming others and accept the fact that you simply suck and there is nothing you can do about it. Then you should uninstall the game because you suck way to much to play a simple FPS. Honestly, the last thing we need is pansies like you scrubs refusing to take on a challenge. How is it so hard to understand that when the other team is using proto, you should use your own proto too? Why don't you just use a heavy? That stupid crutch should be more than enough to carry you pathetic ass holes. If you can't handled a proto squad then stop playing, because you clearly just suck.
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS 213	Posted - 2014.12.18 03:47:00 - [43] - Quote I run proto logis when I'm with a squad because of bandwidth. But I'm addicted to BPOs when I run solo. On vehicles I always pull a proto FG out because I love to pop tanks I have no problems with whomever wants to use proto and get great pleasure taking it with BPOs!
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 646	Posted - 2014.12.18 04:17:00 - [44] - Quote King Bolly wrote: ive noticed in game that everyone complains about proto stompers. then as soon as they get the opportunity what do they do? throw on their full proto suit and stomp lol. im guilty I admit , so I don't complain about it. I find it funny. i have been in many full proto squads were my squadmates are complaining that nyan san only beat us that round because they were proto stomping. um... so were we. i know im not the only one who sees this. at this point in the game most of us have full proto gear. That's not what protostomping means. It encompasses several factors that make pubs one sided. Boycott Black Thursday!
Refreak 44 NECRONINJAS 7	Posted - 2014.12.18 04:17:00 - [45] - Quote People who run proto grinded for that gear and they should be entitled to use it. The way I see it, using proto adds more to the diversity the game strives for. I have six weapons and three suits at proto, yet, I only ever use two fittings once every blue moon. I do relatively well using standard gear with a few complex and enhanced modules here and there but as for the suit and weapon, I use basic. I actually used to run from enemies in proto but recently I've been saying: "I wonder how much damage I can deal in this shiny pink suit I'm in." Normally, I die, but every once in a while I get that last shot in before them. It's actually become more of a sub game for me now. \o/


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