DUST Search - Loyalty rank fail

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless.

Rank should equate with experience / ability.

These two statements are not connected to the reality of the situation. You are basing the first part: "A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless" off of "Rank should equate with experience / ability." Those are two separate things. It would be like saying "What car you drive has no basis on how good of a driver you are. I can give Jeff Gordon a go cart and give a 15 year old a Lamborghini. Car quality should equate with experience/ability."

In this regard, the system was never meant to work the way you feel it should. Since it doesn't work that way, your emphasis on it being useless because it doesn't work that way is kind of baseless. I find it intriguing that this post was made only after the change to where your Loyalty Rank shows up in the kill feed rather than when it was first created. Maybe it took you that long to formulate your opinion on it, which is totally acceptable, but I would presume it is because it now shows in the kill feed.

The system is there to reward people who have spent money on the game and who have played the game for a long time. You can certainly disagree with the system in that it gives far too much emphasis on spending money rather than playing the game but it is there only as minor bonuses. The rank now showing in kill feed is there so people can choose to show their rank or choose not to. Supposedly, people wanted it to show off their rank when they killed people who CCP added the feature. Seems to be pretty straightforward: "thanks for playing and supporting the game. Have some minor bonuses and a title. If you wish, you may display your title on the kill feed."

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shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3415	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:30:00 - [1] - Quote They are absolutely useless to rank a player ability. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2904	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:42:00 - [2] - Quote That's like saying "total war points is useless because it doesn't rank a player's ability." That's not really the point of the statistic. It shows more how long the person has been playing but, more specifically, how much money they have spent on the game. It is there as an ego boost that "I am MAJOR Joseph Ridgeson", which is why it can be turned off. It isn't there to show "wow, that guy is awesome; avoid him!" "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3415	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:51:00 - [3] - Quote I can create a new character with another PSN account, buy 50Gé¼ aur and spend it and have at least the same level i have on this character and i play since open beta. A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 211	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:01:00 - [4] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I can create a new character with another PSN account, buy 50Gé¼ aur and spend it and have at least the same level i have on this character and i play since open beta. A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. And matchmaking should be based on rank? Or should the lower ranks still get pummled by the ranks with greater experience?
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3415	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:12:00 - [5] - Quote Ablerober wrote: shaman oga wrote: I can create a new character with another PSN account, buy 50Gé¼ aur and spend it and have at least the same level i have on this character and i play since open beta. A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. And matchmaking should be based on rank? Or should the lower ranks still get pummled by the ranks with greater experience? I think there are other plans for MM. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2904	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:15:00 - [6] - Quote shaman oga wrote: A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. These two statements are not connected to the reality of the situation. You are basing the first part: "A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless" off of "Rank should equate with experience / ability." Those are two separate things. It would be like saying "What car you drive has no basis on how good of a driver you are. I can give Jeff Gordon a go cart and give a 15 year old a Lamborghini. Car quality should equate with experience/ability." In this regard, the system was never meant to work the way you feel it should. Since it doesn't work that way, your emphasis on it being useless because it doesn't work that way is kind of baseless. I find it intriguing that this post was made only after the change to where your Loyalty Rank shows up in the kill feed rather than when it was first created. Maybe it took you that long to formulate your opinion on it, which is totally acceptable, but I would presume it is because it now shows in the kill feed. The system is there to reward people who have spent money on the game and who have played the game for a long time. You can certainly disagree with the system in that it gives far too much emphasis on spending money rather than playing the game but it is there only as minor bonuses. The rank now showing in kill feed is there so people can choose to show their rank or choose not to. Supposedly, people wanted it to show off their rank when they killed people who CCP added the feature. Seems to be pretty straightforward: "thanks for playing and supporting the game. Have some minor bonuses and a title. If you wish, you may display your title on the kill feed." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1712	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:29:00 - [7] - Quote no one ever said it was meant to show a players ability. to me it just shows how much time,effort or contribution players have put into the game All Hail Legion
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3415	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:44:00 - [8] - Quote You are writing long posts just to say you agree with current rank situation. I'll keep think that current rank situation is just a fail and i've always been against current situation when i've discovered what it was. In my opinion in a FPS the rank should represent your experience, generally people who pay for something have different form of in game gratification (cool camo, special dogtags, etc.), but rank is almost always a matter of experience. Ability just help you gain experience quickly. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition Red Whines. 88	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:51:00 - [9] - Quote Loyalty rank = aurum buyers No skills, no kills, no wp, no kdr.... Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 211	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:53:00 - [10] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: Loyalty rank = aurum buyers No skills, no kills, no wp, no kdr.... I guess the last two years have been a waste of time then.

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14408	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:55:00 - [11] - Quote Ablerober wrote: Alex-ZX wrote: Loyalty rank = aurum buyers No skills, no kills, no wp, no kdr.... I guess the last two years have been a waste of time then. They have been. At the moment you can easily stack 3 Active & 3 Passive Boosters and you'll get your equivalent SP in no time. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 211	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:58:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ablerober wrote: Alex-ZX wrote: Loyalty rank = aurum buyers No skills, no kills, no wp, no kdr.... I guess the last two years have been a waste of time then. They have been. At the moment you can easily stack 3 Active & 3 Passive Boosters and you'll get your equivalent SP in no time. At the moment yes. I'd rather keep the last two years experience tbh. No amount of boosters can replace this.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3419	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:17:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ablerober wrote: Alex-ZX wrote: Loyalty rank = aurum buyers No skills, no kills, no wp, no kdr.... I guess the last two years have been a waste of time then. They have been. At the moment you can easily stack 3 Active & 3 Passive Boosters and you'll get your equivalent SP in no time. It's not only a matter of SP, it's also playtime. Of course more SP mean better stuff, better stuff means improved player, but let's take a player who started play with 1.9 and have triple boosted every week, he can have 30 million SP, but he will never have the experience of a player who have gained 30 millions in a 10 months. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2654	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:35:00 - [14] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I can create a new character with another PSN account, buy 50Gé¼ aur and spend it and have at least the same level i have on this character and i play since open beta. A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. I don't think you understand how much less the money affects the rank then you think. Have friends who have spent less then 50 and are higher then people who have spent a few hundred. Spread forum propaganda around as you want but ask around. Alot of people who have invested alot into the game are upset at their rank aswell. Meh if it makes you feel better I guess? But you forget some people have some amazing numbers on the board in this game.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5049	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:39:00 - [15] - Quote I went from 11 to 10 lmao Guess I'm not so loyal since moving to SSB.
brett morris518 is well hung 41	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:27:00 - [16] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: shaman oga wrote: A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. These two statements are not connected to the reality of the situation. You are basing the first part: "A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless" off of "Rank should equate with experience / ability." Those are two separate things. It would be like saying "What car you drive has no basis on how good of a driver you are. I can give Jeff Gordon a go cart and give a 15 year old a Lamborghini. Car quality should equate with experience/ability." In this regard, the system was never meant to work the way you feel it should. Since it doesn't work that way, your emphasis on it being useless because it doesn't work that way is kind of baseless. I find it intriguing that this post was made only after the change to where your Loyalty Rank shows up in the kill feed rather than when it was first created. Maybe it took you that long to formulate your opinion on it, which is totally acceptable, but I would presume it is because it now shows in the kill feed. The system is there to reward people who have spent money on the game and who have played the game for a long time. You can certainly disagree with the system in that it gives far too much emphasis on spending money rather than playing the game but it is there only as minor bonuses. The rank now showing in kill feed is there so people can choose to show their rank or choose not to. Supposedly, people wanted it to show off their rank when they killed people who CCP added the feature. Seems to be pretty straightforward: "thanks for playing and supporting the game. Have some minor bonuses and a title. If you wish, you may display your title on the kill feed." It just made me realize how much money I have spent over the last almost three years lol.. I will spend 10, maybe 20$ here and there.. But then I realize if I do that once a month or so, that's added up. When I saw my rank, I was like"sweet!".. Then I realized why and said "oh" :( So I shamfully hide my rank in the kill feed :/
brett morris518 is well hung 41	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:31:00 - [17] - Quote Bethhy wrote: shaman oga wrote: I can create a new character with another PSN account, buy 50Gé¼ aur and spend it and have at least the same level i have on this character and i play since open beta. A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. I don't think you understand how much less the money affects the rank then you think. Have friends who have spent less then 50 and are higher then people who have spent a few hundred. Spread forum propaganda around as you want but ask around. Alot of people who have invested alot into the game are upset at their rank aswell. Meh if it makes you feel better I guess? But you forget some people have some amazing numbers on the board in this game. Hmm.. The whole thing is strange.. Everyone I asked that had a decent rank, spent money.. People who didn't and still have been playing forever, don't.. I'm confused about the whole thing anyway.. All I know is I get a bit extra% of this and that, so I guess that's cool lol
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2014.12.13 21:53:00 - [18] - Quote I am a colonel with a shockingly low 502 kills and 107000 war points My rank is only due to the fact that I have bought 10 APEX suits and the AV nemesis pack, and 10 30 day boosters I love those APEX suits, before I had them I hated getting protostomped because I lost ISK The AV nemesis
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20171	Posted - 2014.12.13 21:55:00 - [19] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I am a colonel with a shockingly low 502 kills and 107000 war points My rank is only due to the fact that I have bought 10 APEX suits and the AV nemesis pack, and 10 30 day boosters I love those APEX suits, before I had them I hated getting protostomped because I lost ISK The AV nemesis To those who say money doesn't affect it that much, compare this fellow with Grand Master Kubo. Kubo has 150,000 kills and 15 mil WP. This man has 502 kills and 0.1 mil WP. And this man outranks Kubo by five ranks. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 597	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:00:00 - [20] - Quote Seen a lot of Private first class scout GK.0s, assault AK.0s etc in the kill feed. Alot of people havent been arsed to put money into this game. When you stop selling BPOs and packs for a year, this is what happens. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 261	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:03:00 - [21] - Quote sgt majors are cool http://youtu.be/nLJ8ILIE780 Jupiter's cock! It's a Mark VI... And we've got it by the ass!
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:15:00 - [22] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I am a colonel with a shockingly low 502 kills and 107000 war points My rank is only due to the fact that I purchased 10 APEX suits and the AV nemesis pack, and 10 30 day boosters I love those APEX suits, before I had them I hated getting protostomped because I lost ISK I also purchased the AV nemesis pack
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2296	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:17:00 - [23] - Quote I am a Major and I have over 50K kills but I also have around 20K deaths. I know mind blowing, anyways. I being a Major means I get a title I paid for by buying Aurum and boosters. In my defense I have not spent a dime on the game in over 9 months. I spent a lot in the beginning for I was investing in the future of what I felt was going to be an epic game and it still can be. I was an investor, not pay to win. I bought BPO's for I liked the way they looked and I also bought boosters because of the long agonizing grind. Do I regret it, I did at a time, but not anymore. I remind myself it was my money and my choice. I hold no regrets other than I wish the game would have been further along than it is, IMO. Been here for for nearly 2 years, close beta vet, blah, blah. I might have been here since closed beta but that does not mean I am better, it means I have seen the game evolve into what it is and for me that you cannot buy with ISK. Rank means nothing, what should be thought of is how few vets are left and why we have so few of the higher ranks left. Major- General Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 60	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:17:00 - [24] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I can create a new character with another PSN account, buy 50Gé¼ aur and spend it and have at least the same level i have on this character and i play since open beta. A rank system that only shows how much you have spent in the game is totally useless. Rank should equate with experience / ability. Don't forget those wallet warriors not only get the rank to show off, they also get bonuses to their skillpoints per match among other things. We pay to win now. Dust 5/14
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 232	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:17:00 - [25] - Quote Always sayng: option->hide rank active The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep". TheD1ck is on the table fan club. MPRQ-MakingPeopleRageQuit
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 60	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:25:00 - [26] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: Always sayng: option->hide rank active For me i couldn't care less about the tags. What's dumb is that whoever spends the most aurum gets perks that give them an unreasonable advantage over players who don't. Dust 5/14


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