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CCP Rattati wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

CRAZY IDEA

Im gonna make some wild guesses here.

1. Strongboxes are for selling AUR. (not much guessing on that one)
2. Daily missions are meant to reward people who actually play as oppose to AFK.
3. Daily missions are an excellent way to train new players in the game a little bit.

Assuming these are correct guesses on some of the intended goals would it not be better to drop the "random" salvage aspect and either base it on a ratio or participation (matches / wins /kills / warpoints) or just drop it from the idea of salvage completely and improve that system while giving out more keys in missions and maybe even as a daily login bonus.

FEEDBACK

Aside from the key drops we are discussing here I really enjoy the overall system. Missions give you something to think about in matches aside from the repetitive nature of run, shoot, and hack. They are a nice distraction and I am sure they will help with NPE quite a bit.

All these are correct and describe the intent fully. The mainstay was to increase new player retention, and provide goals for intermediate players. Veteran players can acquire rare weapons and gear. We plan to add to this lifetime merits or achievements, hopefully we can implement a lifetime stats with goodies like "heavies killed", vehicles destroyed etc

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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3076	Posted - 2014.12.12 02:58:00 - [61] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Crazy idea: What if CCP actually gave you a key for every battle that you are victorious in? Picked up 5 strongboxes as salvage in my second battle today and nothing else. That was actually the first time I've received them as salvage, and picked up another two or three battles afterwards. Still waiting on the first key... Then people would actually try to win matches! Egad! Im thinking 25% chance to salvage one per bush win, 100% chance per skirmish/dom win, and 200% chance for FW win. Seems reasonable. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8800	Posted - 2014.12.12 06:28:00 - [62] - Quote I am now up to 67 with no keys Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 1099	Posted - 2014.12.12 06:37:00 - [63] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 200% chance for FW win. Seems reasonable. Do you even % bruh? Do you even? And I don't think that is possible given how the FW salvage system works... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1028	Posted - 2014.12.12 07:36:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: deezy dabest wrote: CRAZY IDEA Im gonna make some wild guesses here. 1. Strongboxes are for selling AUR. (not much guessing on that one) 2. Daily missions are meant to reward people who actually play as oppose to AFK. 3. Daily missions are an excellent way to train new players in the game a little bit. Assuming these are correct guesses on some of the intended goals would it not be better to drop the "random" salvage aspect and either base it on a ratio or participation (matches / wins /kills / warpoints) or just drop it from the idea of salvage completely and improve that system while giving out more keys in missions and maybe even as a daily login bonus. FEEDBACK Aside from the key drops we are discussing here I really enjoy the overall system. Missions give you something to think about in matches aside from the repetitive nature of run, shoot, and hack. They are a nice distraction and I am sure they will help with NPE quite a bit. All these are correct and describe the intent fully. The mainstay was to increase new player retention, and provide goals for intermediate players. Veteran players can acquire rare weapons and gear. We plan to add to this lifetime merits or achievements, hopefully we can implement a lifetime stats with goodies like "heavies killed", vehicles destroyed etc What about a salvage skill? Increases the likelihood of getting high-level salvage, etc. Of course, if you guys are planning on implementing an actual battlefield salvage role (YES, PLEASE) then this isn't really feasible Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
sentinal lords01 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.12 11:41:00 - [65] - Quote Never gotten a single key but i have 35 strong boxes -_- come on ccp fix you box to key drop ratio. no im not spending AUR on a stupid little key.
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 211	Posted - 2014.12.12 11:54:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are definitely keys in the salvage. If everyone was getting officers in the Strongboxes, everytime, I believe there would be much rage. Keep earning and using those free keys, and you will see that there are great drops in there, and at least ine ultra rare item that is not in EOM salvage. I received a skill book from one salvage create - 1% to CPU and PG per level. Is this applied automatically?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 671	Posted - 2014.12.12 12:51:00 - [67] - Quote I feel incredibly lucky now, I actually got 2 keys in a single pub match, I think I placed 3rd place in the match and we lost so I'm pretty sure it's random lol. Feedback: I understand that I'm going to end up with hundreds of boxes to keys ratio as its trying to incentivize me to spend aurum for keys but here's why I don't feel it's solid. One of the boxes I opened gave me 13 Neo Scout C-1s. I looked at the market value and that's 780 aurum. The keys cost 800 aurum. If it's absolute chance that you will get something you can actually use (IE. I haven't gotten anything that I've wanted from any of the boxes so far, which is likely as I just use minmitar stuff) they should at least on the low end give you as much in aurum as the keys cost. If player trading becomes something soon then this is much less of a concern. But for now, I see no reason to spend aurum on the massive pile of boxes I have when there's a chance not only that I won't get anything I want but that I could get what I want for cheaper directly from the store. I did get one set of Minmitar medium suits that I like to wear in my quarters so it's not all bad. I just don't see any reason to spend aurum on keys as they cost quite a bit in comparison to the random aspect. You can actually lose value in keys or just spend aurum getting exactly what you want, so I for one won't be buying any anytime soon. The officer thing is kind of meh to me. I'm just stockpiling officer weapons to sell for player trading anyways, same goes if I end up with officer suits. Those things are far too rare to use in battle, only one I normally see anyways is the Thales due to the ability to hide in the red line and use it. I'd rather sell officer weapons for vehicle/proto spam then to use it once and probably kill two people before getting dogpiled.
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 24	Posted - 2014.12.12 12:59:00 - [68] - Quote Wait, so there will be only boxes and no salvage anymore (the only way to get Officer items), and to open the BOX i need AUR Key? If so - no comments.. The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
Polywog19 C0NTRA UNIT RUST415 3	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:07:00 - [69] - Quote i now have 40 strong boxes and have yet to get a single key, this strongbox stuff is absolute crap and if you don't fix it soon i'm just gonna stop playing, glad you pulled this con before payday cause was gonna buy some of the blue prints. i don't like playing the lottery.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 672	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:16:00 - [70] - Quote Polywog19 wrote: i now have 40 strong boxes and have yet to get a single key, this strongbox stuff is absolute crap and if you don't fix it soon i'm just gonna stop playing, glad you pulled this con before payday cause was gonna buy some of the blue prints. i don't like playing the lottery. Not to be the guy that seems like he's trying to defend the company unreasonably, but you don't have to play the lottery unless you really want officer drop suits, which meh, would you ever use them if they cost an aurum tank each? I'd say if you enjoy the game then buy some bpo's that's what I did too. Just open boxes with the keys you get in salvage and in dailies if you don't want to spend aurum, I know I won't. I got some officer weapons yesterday in salvage so no they haven't been removed from salvage. You can get keys and officer weapons from eom I can confirm.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3080	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:18:00 - [71] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 200% chance for FW win. Seems reasonable. Do you even % bruh? Do you even? And I don't think that is possible given how the FW salvage system works... 200% means 100% for 2. Derp. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 807	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:24:00 - [72] - Quote I have not received any keys since launch Don't have any idea how many matches I've played
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 673	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:29:00 - [73] - Quote RayRay James wrote: I have not received any keys since launch Don't have any idea how many matches I've played Just give it time man, it's only day 4 of them existing. I didn't get any day 1, I got 1 from a mission day 2, and I got 2 from EOM on day 3. It's gotta be just as rare if not more rare to get keys as officer weapons so don't expect to see them often. Boxes on the other hand, keep falling from the sky.
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3452	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:35:00 - [74] - Quote ISK for selling the salvage boxes please supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 639	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:57:00 - [75] - Quote Dont people get it? The strongboxes are ment for you to go on the easy way by spending real cash for the keys. ive had a note from a "inside leak" that this is purely intentional and the sole purpose of adding those strongboxes is to give players a incentive to buy the keys for AUR. Because its so hard to obtain keys and so easy to get strongboxes the players perception is that buying keys is the most comfortable way to go with. Im not stating who my source is but hes reliable and another hint: more vehicle BPO's are on the horizon and no i dont mean LAV's. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Wurm FOOD 141	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:47:00 - [76] - Quote Found a key in EOM salvage at the same time as I completed a quest for 2 more. (get 39 kills) Primordial Commando
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1317	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:50:00 - [77] - Quote Wurm FOOD wrote: Found a key in EOM salvage at the same time as I completed a quest for 2 more. (get 39 kills) Very nice. You are one of a small group.
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 105	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:19:00 - [78] - Quote Haven't salvaged one yet *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 365	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:40:00 - [79] - Quote Ablerober wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There are definitely keys in the salvage. If everyone was getting officers in the Strongboxes, everytime, I believe there would be much rage. Keep earning and using those free keys, and you will see that there are great drops in there, and at least ine ultra rare item that is not in EOM salvage. I received a skill book from one salvage create - 1% to CPU and PG per level. Is this applied automatically? That sounds like the skill Dropsuit Upgrades, which if you don't have to at least 3 already you're either new or a fool. No, using the book will do nothing for you as you should already have it, as I said already.
Minime Al Alteredgenetic 32	Posted - 2014.12.12 19:41:00 - [80] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There are definitely keys in the salvage. If everyone was getting officers in the Strongboxes, everytime, I believe there would be much rage. Keep earning and using those free keys, and you will see that there are great drops in there, and at least ine ultra rare item that is not in EOM salvage. thats the thing, nobody can earn or use free keys, they dont seem to exsist. I win ))))) 1...... 100 + boxes and one key !!

Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 211	Posted - 2014.12.12 19:56:00 - [81] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Ablerober wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There are definitely keys in the salvage. If everyone was getting officers in the Strongboxes, everytime, I believe there would be much rage. Keep earning and using those free keys, and you will see that there are great drops in there, and at least ine ultra rare item that is not in EOM salvage. I received a skill book from one salvage create - 1% to CPU and PG per level. Is this applied automatically? That sounds like the skill Dropsuit Upgrades, which if you don't have to at least 3 already you're either new or a fool. No, using the book will do nothing for you as you should already have it, as I said already. It was on an Amarr alt - level 3 already. Seems redundant anyway as these are the first skills I upgrade. Kind regards.
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:02:00 - [82] - Quote 125 strongboxes on my main & 2 alts together... guess what though? ZERO KEYS. nothing for salvage or daily LOL
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1511	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:07:00 - [83] - Quote Am I the only person that is getting 1-3 keys in my daily missions? I think the rates are fine, just increase the amount of stuff in the boxes. The Pavlovian response will be much stronger if the reward incentive is greater. After opening about 10 boxes and having a militia heavy preloaded fit (the defender mk g2 or some nonsense, oh and out of 3 boxes no less) being the best thing I've received, I honestly could care less about the boxes. I know that officer weapons in every box is stupid, but lower the chance of getting militia and advanced gear. If not the drive to get keys will disappear except in new players, and players that didn't have any sense to begin with. I know taking money from dummies is easy but roping in the smart ones is much more profitable. Oh and the numbers are terrible too. If I were given 100 stacks of a proto suit I don't use, at least the ISK reward in selling it would be worth it. Empress $layer.
Robocop Junior research lab 897	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:18:00 - [84] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Am I the only person that is getting 1-3 keys in my daily missions? I think the rates are fine, just increase the amount of stuff in the boxes. The Pavlovian response will be much stronger if the reward incentive is greater. After opening about 10 boxes and having a militia heavy preloaded fit (the defender mk g2 or some nonsense, oh and out of 3 boxes no less) being the best thing I've received, I honestly could care less about the boxes. I know that officer weapons in every box is stupid, but lower the chance of getting militia and advanced gear. If not the drive to get keys will disappear except in new players, and players that didn't have any sense to begin with. I know taking money from dummies is easy but roping in the smart ones is much more profitable. Oh and the numbers are terrible too. If I were given 100 stacks of a proto suit I don't use, at least the ISK reward in selling it would be worth it. Have yet to see a key in a mission across 4 characters and however many days it has been:( If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 724	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:33:00 - [85] - Quote 4 keys total .. but really this is kinda a crappy system.. We should have different color boxes like red green blue orange and different keys to go to them boxes to mix it up. I mean, I'm almost at 50 strong boxes so at the rate of 1 key a day I'm just going to have a stock pile of useless boxes for the year shortly. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Deathviper420 research lab 0	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:47:00 - [86] - Quote Got my first key from salvage today , hope it don't take 3 more days to get another key .
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 515	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:48:00 - [87] - Quote Bingo! Like, Shiver me timbers, Got one from salvage. And guess what? 'Construct' Allotec Plasma Cannons X19! I was like OMG, like i totally run PLC, like all the time, OMFG! Wouldn't have minded the 'Kubo' ones tho, because of reasons. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 128	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:51:00 - [88] - Quote Got 2 last game from end of match salvage! Woot woot! Python pilot Logistics mk.0 Assault mk.0
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1125	Posted - 2014.12.16 06:26:00 - [89] - Quote Got my first key 4 days ago! (Might have been a little more than that though, not sure. But I was excited enough to take a picture!) CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5094	Posted - 2014.12.16 06:34:00 - [90] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: Bingo! Like, Shiver me timbers, Got one from salvage. And guess what? 'Construct' Allotec Plasma Cannons X19! I was like OMG, like i totally run PLC, like all the time, OMFG! Wouldn't have minded the 'Kubo' ones tho, because of reasons. Don't know why 'Construct' weapons are even in the salvage pool... the 'Deadflood' requires less skills to use and comes with a paintjob.



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