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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1950
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:27:00 -
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Are now useless, thank you CCP, time to run 900 HP assault suits
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6482
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:30:00 -
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What kind of problems are you having?
I haven't heard much so far, specifically regarding Minjas, and what I heard so far wasn't too bad. What are you seeing?
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:34:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:What kind of problems are you having?
I haven't heard much so far, specifically regarding Minjas, and what I heard so far wasn't too bad. What are you seeing?
Nothing I'm guessing. His passive scans have been nerfed.
Why must you use prototypes?
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Boot Booter
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
1052
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:34:00 -
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Mine is doing fine. |
neausea 1987
1.U.P
Capital Punishment.
172
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:40:00 -
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my scout only has 296EHP its fine, i dont even have an adv level yet. i run dmg mods kincats stamina and maybe 1 shield on all my fits. im trying to kill you not have a fancy schmancy shootout/ dancefest. matari manslayer
this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
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Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
569
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:41:00 -
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This whole patch was actualy a buff to all 3 scouts without amarr.
Cuz with new scan changes, amarr scout have good [old] scans only up to 15-18m.
You can easly run 2x damps + cloak and only focused [with is not a big deal] can scan you.
Played today with my fresh speced minja [finally, lvl 5 took a while] and it wrecks people.
NK are just great.
Ps. 3compx shields, 2compx damps + 1compx kincat/codebreaker and you're good. Don't forget to eqiup ishukone knives.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1950
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:50:00 -
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Can't fit kinkats + codebreaker and damp enough. Cloak + knives with the delay is worthless. Can't see anything.
Mind you, I have my Ewar at level 5 and I can't see mlt light frames.
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6484
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:57:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Can't fit kinkats + codebreaker and damp enough. Cloak + knives with the delay is worthless. Can't see anything.
Mind you, I have my dear at level 5 and I can't see mlt light frames.
Yeah, cloak is nearly pointless right now. At least to me.
There is a thread talking about possibly removing the range limitations, which Rattati posted in saying that he was open to it.
You may want to pop in for that discussion.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1951
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:59:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Can't fit kinkats + codebreaker and damp enough. Cloak + knives with the delay is worthless. Can't see anything.
Mind you, I have my dear at level 5 and I can't see mlt light frames. Yeah, cloak is nearly pointless right now. At least to me. There is a thread talking about possibly removing the range limitations, which Rattati posted in saying that he was open to it. You may want to pop in for that discussion.
I'll take a gander
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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Ace Boone
Capital Acquisitions LLC
551
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:13:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:This whole patch was actualy a buff to all 3 scouts without amarr.
Cuz with new scan changes, amarr scout have good [old] scans only up to 15-18m.
You can easly run 2x damps + cloak and only focused [with is not a big deal] can scan you.
Played today with my fresh speced minja [finally, lvl 5 took a while] and it wrecks people.
NK are just great.
Ps. 3compx shields, 2compx damps + 1compx kincat/codebreaker and you're good. Don't forget to eqiup ishukone knives.
Yeahhh, if those are your modules, you're running a really crappy set of weapons/grenades/equipment.
Only loyal to the republic.
I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
8720
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:18:00 -
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I'm doing fine.
2x Damps and a Kincat works fine. Just gotta know when to cloak and hide, and when to run around using your damps and tacnet to survive.
Scouting requires a lot more finesse now than most FOTM scouts are used to.
That is, if you don't HP tank. Fully stacked Cal scout with a rifle is still a light assault.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6485
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:20:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Can't fit kinkats + codebreaker and damp enough. Cloak + knives with the delay is worthless. Can't see anything.
Mind you, I have my dear at level 5 and I can't see mlt light frames. Yeah, cloak is nearly pointless right now. At least to me. There is a thread talking about possibly removing the range limitations, which Rattati posted in saying that he was open to it. You may want to pop in for that discussion. I'll take a gander
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2506525#post2506525
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2690
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:30:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:This whole patch was actualy a buff to all 3 scouts without amarr.
Cuz with new scan changes, amarr scout have good [old] scans only up to 15-18m.
You can easly run 2x damps + cloak and only focused [with is not a big deal] can scan you.
Played today with my fresh speced minja [finally, lvl 5 took a while] and it wrecks people.
NK are just great.
Ps. 3compx shields, 2compx damps + 1compx kincat/codebreaker and you're good. Don't forget to eqiup ishukone knives.
My 66.7% range Nerf to my Cal scout doesn't sound like a buff. Also having to compete with freaking Logis for the best passive scans isn't that great either.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2474
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:13:00 -
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min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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SagaB
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:43:00 -
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Knifed Shotty GoBang twice with my Tiger suit. I can retire from dust now. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1951
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:48:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen.
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
8726
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:51:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen.
>Implying that you didn't run 2 damps before this patch.
1 damp may work in pubs, but 2 damps has always been what you need to avoid scans. This hasn't changed.
Dump that codebreaker or whatever the hell you run in that second slot and run a damp. 2x Damp + Kincat has been my go-to fit for AGES and it has never failed me (With a cloak)
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1951
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:52:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen. >Implying that you didn't run 2 damps before this patch. 1 damp may work in pubs, but 2 damps has always been what you need to avoid scans. This hasn't changed. Dump that codebreaker or whatever the hell you run in that second slot and run a damp. 2x Damp + Kincat has been my go-to fit for AGES and it has never failed me (With a cloak)
I only play pubs and fw.
Usually I'd have a codebreaker or a pg enhancement in the 3rd slot.
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
1620
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:09:00 -
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Well I still use my great and mighty Loldari scout. (Flaylol + N7-1 Sniper rifle.)
Raven for CPM2
I use a Flaylol.
The silence, it's unbearable.
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1392
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:14:00 -
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As a fellow scouter im trying to get used to all these nerfs to scouts. I hate how CCP took out orientention on the radar and the better scan precision on heavies and other suits.
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Give me da iskiez
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
572
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Posted - 2014.12.10 15:19:00 -
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Ace Boone wrote:Mejt0 wrote:This whole patch was actualy a buff to all 3 scouts without amarr.
Cuz with new scan changes, amarr scout have good [old] scans only up to 15-18m.
You can easly run 2x damps + cloak and only focused [with is not a big deal] can scan you.
Played today with my fresh speced minja [finally, lvl 5 took a while] and it wrecks people.
NK are just great.
Ps. 3compx shields, 2compx damps + 1compx kincat/codebreaker and you're good. Don't forget to eqiup ishukone knives. Yeahhh, if those are your modules, you're running a really crappy set of weapons/grenades/equipment.
Firstly : Modules are way >>> [more wothy] than guns. Difference between ADV/PRO rifles is almost not existing.
Also in this fit i can easly fit flux grenades, Adv CR+Pro Knives and Adv [maybe even pro] links/injector.
If this won't fit, then just change 1compx shield extender for enchanted.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
847
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:41:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen. >Implying that you didn't run 2 damps before this patch. 1 damp may work in pubs, but 2 damps has always been what you need to avoid scans. This hasn't changed. Dump that codebreaker or whatever the hell you run in that second slot and run a damp. 2x Damp + Kincat has been my go-to fit for AGES and it has never failed me (With a cloak)
I like how your go-to fit is Proto
What would you do with ADV?
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
8757
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:46:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen. >Implying that you didn't run 2 damps before this patch. 1 damp may work in pubs, but 2 damps has always been what you need to avoid scans. This hasn't changed. Dump that codebreaker or whatever the hell you run in that second slot and run a damp. 2x Damp + Kincat has been my go-to fit for AGES and it has never failed me (With a cloak) I like how your go-to fit is Proto What would you do with ADV?
Have a much more difficult time avoiding Proto Gal Scans
People pull out proto when they see FA.
Also: You'll never see me in ambush, and you'll rarely see me outside of FW or PC.
Go take your Proto tears elsewhere.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6516
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:46:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen. >Implying that you didn't run 2 damps before this patch. 1 damp may work in pubs, but 2 damps has always been what you need to avoid scans. This hasn't changed. Dump that codebreaker or whatever the hell you run in that second slot and run a damp. 2x Damp + Kincat has been my go-to fit for AGES and it has never failed me (With a cloak) I like how your go-to fit is Proto What would you do with ADV?
I can't speak for Ghost, but I only run std gear precisely because I don't find any advantage to Adv suits.
That 3rd High Slot is useless, particularly when I often don't have enough fitting capacity to use all the of them since all the useful mods are complex (minus Enh Shields). I just fit 2 Complex Damps on them and go.
Now, I also have given up on the cloak for the time being, especially since Pro cloak is the only viable one for dampening purposes. If the delay was mechanically changed as Maken suggested it might, I would use my Adv suit for wearing the Pro cloak as STD suits don't have the fitting capacity to wear one without severely gimping your suit.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6516
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:47:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen. >Implying that you didn't run 2 damps before this patch. 1 damp may work in pubs, but 2 damps has always been what you need to avoid scans. This hasn't changed. Dump that codebreaker or whatever the hell you run in that second slot and run a damp. 2x Damp + Kincat has been my go-to fit for AGES and it has never failed me (With a cloak) I like how your go-to fit is Proto What would you do with ADV? Have a much more difficult time avoiding Proto Gal Scans People pull out proto when they see FA. Also: You'll never see me in ambush, and you'll rarely see me outside of FW or PC. Go take your Proto tears elsewhere.
So basically us plebians are screwed?
Not helpful man.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
847
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:49:00 -
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Ghost, are you just saying that the Min Scout is only viable if you're running Proto? 
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
6246
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:56:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Are now useless, thank you CCP, time to run 900 HP assault suits
Shameless FOTM huh?
Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1957
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Posted - 2014.12.10 18:44:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Are now useless, thank you CCP, time to run 900 HP assault suits
Shameless FOTM huh?
Thought sentinels where fotm?
Dam auto correct
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
6254
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Posted - 2014.12.10 18:49:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Are now useless, thank you CCP, time to run 900 HP assault suits
Shameless FOTM huh? Thought sentinels where fotm? Dam auto correct
Check-mate'd my 4ss.
Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
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punksnowmash
The Hundred Acre Hood
RISE of LEGION
35
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Posted - 2014.12.10 20:09:00 -
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Its almost like you guys didn't expect the scout nerf. Oh no your not the best at everything anymore
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6527
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Posted - 2014.12.10 20:17:00 -
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punksnowmash wrote:Its almost like you guys didn't expect the scout nerf. Oh no your not the best at everything anymore
Bucket for tears that way ----->
There was never the suggestion from Rattati's data or descriptions that Min scouts were over performing. His posts, as I read them, mostly suggested it was shotgun scouts (particularly Gallente which were 3rd in his listing of PC over performers) and Cal Scouts.
Amarr and Minmatar were never mentioned as being problems.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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punksnowmash
The Hundred Acre Hood
RISE of LEGION
35
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Posted - 2014.12.10 20:22:00 -
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No not min scouts, ive never run an amarr so i can't speak for those but even where it stands now i can run a basic suit.
But the thing is if someone is even remotely paying attention im down due to low ehp but its still viable. You just gotta change your playstyle just a bit to suit the match |
Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
506
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Posted - 2014.12.10 20:37:00 -
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Git gud or die cryin'.
May we never forget his sacrifice
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10447
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Posted - 2014.12.10 20:41:00 -
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I beg to differ. I'm doing just fine as a Minmatar Scout. The only scouts who will complain about these changes are those tourists. The hard-mode scouts will have no problem with these changes. In fact, I see this as a direct challenge to us scouts which I humbly accept.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
8777
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Posted - 2014.12.10 22:06:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ghost, are you just saying that the Min Scout is only viable if you're running Proto?
You can't run Adv Minmatar well vs. Proto players.
That is what I'm saying.
I can still grab my Tiger Scout and wreck face, but that fit is switched out the moment decent scanners come on the field.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2487
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Posted - 2014.12.11 07:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:min scouts were never good at scanning to begin with.... this nerf to scanning ewar hasnt effected the min scout in the slightest... its the onlly scout that DIDDNT suffer for it.
The difference is I have to run two damps or I get a 'you have been scanned' message fried on my screen. >Implying that you didn't run 2 damps before this patch. 1 damp may work in pubs, but 2 damps has always been what you need to avoid scans. This hasn't changed. Dump that codebreaker or whatever the hell you run in that second slot and run a damp. 2x Damp + Kincat has been my go-to fit for AGES and it has never failed me (With a cloak) I like how your go-to fit is Proto What would you do with ADV? I can't speak for Ghost, but I only run std gear precisely because I don't find any advantage to Adv suits. That 3rd High Slot is useless, particularly when I often don't have enough fitting capacity to use all the of them since all the useful mods are complex (minus Enh Shields). I just fit 2 Complex Damps on them and go. Now, I also have given up on the cloak for the time being, especially since Pro cloak is the only viable one for dampening purposes. If the delay was mechanically changed as Maken suggested it might, I would use my Adv suit for wearing the Pro cloak as STD suits don't have the fitting capacity to wear one without severely gimping your suit.
ill chime in then.
i have 2 suits... basic and proto :P for a long time i only had one fit and that was JUST advance fits (when not in PC) but the reality of the situation is that you need to be able to gear up when you want to and my ADV fits just wernt disposable enough for y liking (i tend to kamikazee for hacks or to acomplish something hilarious)
i DO use a cloak, but i use it to breach a line, one im where im going i dont use it anymore but i fiind it helps me get from point A to point B without being molested by wayward redberrys speeding up my travel time.
right now i have these fits
tiger scout
pro - 2xcomp shields 1x comp precision, 1 damp , 1 kinkat, 1 hack
pro - 2 damp 1 hack
pro 2 damp 1 kinkat
pro 1 damp 2 kinkat
pro 1 damp 2 hack
my high slots are always the same because iits really hard to fit anything else.
ADV fits just arnt worth it anymore with the availability of the apex suits as its more cost efficiant to fun free+proto rather than bothering with ADV fits
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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