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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
607
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:52:00 -
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Would a dampening bonus to the min scout make it too powerful?
Or more viable???
A Scanned scout is a dead scout from my experience. The minja is so squishy and speed doesn't help when you get a HMG in your face as you round a corner, cause he saw you coming from his shared scans from the gal scout that was with him.
The same gal scout that you couldn't scan cause he has the bonus for dampening but wait, also precision??? He hides and scans??? And has more health then my minja???
My minja is awesome when im not hunted by other scouts. My speed does make up the difference of my low health, but I just can't seem to compete with the other scouts without gimping my fit with all damps in the lows. I could damp better and be as fast with a gal scout.
My bonuses seem useless when I'm getting scanned.... Am I doing it wrong???
Top 16 in every match.... I'm da best!!!!
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6131
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:56:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote: Am I doing it wrong???
yes
You are not using dampeners. NEXT
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
607
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:04:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote: Am I doing it wrong??? yes You are not using dampeners. NEXT But damps gimp the suit... The gal scout can damp and run hack mods to compete better in hacking. The knife bonus is great but again I feel like my suit is gimped with all damps in lows and I have to run Atleast an advanced suit to get the two lows to damp to except able levels but for real competitive dempening I have to run a proto suit that is slow, dies to 5 shoots by a BrAR and can still be scanned...
Just seems wrong
Top 16 in every match.... I'm da best!!!!
He killed me... NNNEERRFFFFFF HHHIIIIMMM!!!!!!!!
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6134
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:17:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote: Am I doing it wrong??? yes You are not using dampeners. NEXT But damps gimp the suit... The gal scout can damp and run hack mods to compete better in hacking. The knife bonus is great but again I feel like my suit is gimped with all damps in lows and I have to run Atleast an advanced suit to get the two lows to damp to except able levels but for real competitive dempening I have to run a proto suit that is slow, dies to 5 shoots by a BrAR and can still be scanned... Just seems wrong
''But damps gimp the suit... ''They do not GIMP you suit. They Dampen it in exchange for something else, HP, Speed, Hacking speed...etc...
''The gal scout can damp and run hack mods to compete better in hacking. '' Then use a Gal scout. But then you wont have the innate HACKING bonus of the Minmatar or the Incredible Nova Knife damage (the Gal scout cannot achieve) of the minmatar scout.
''The knife bonus is great but again I feel like my suit is gimped with all damps in lows and I have to run Atleast an advanced suit to get the two lows to damp to except able levels but for real competitive dempening I have to run a proto suit that is slow, dies to 5 shoots by a BrAR and can still be scanned...''
If you wanted a DAMPENED scout, you chose the wrong race my sneaky friend. CAl and Gal play the damp game a lot better than your min scout or my amarr scout. The min scout is a Speed HAcker + ASsasin. Not a spy / infiltrator. Scouts ...are just not all the same. In my opinion:
Min: Speed hacker + Assasin Gallente: True Scout (locates and informs while being hard to locate) Caldari: Infiltrator + Battle Scout Amarr: Flank specialist + Scout Hunter
AND, you cannot have it all:
Min: Best HAcking speed and NK damage. Also , the speediest. Gal: Bes DAmpen in the whole game. Good armor rep Cal: Best Radar range without having to sacrifice too much EHP plus best innate Shield regen. Amarr: Monster Scan Precision and Stamina.
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
607
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote: Am I doing it wrong??? yes You are not using dampeners. NEXT But damps gimp the suit... The gal scout can damp and run hack mods to compete better in hacking. The knife bonus is great but again I feel like my suit is gimped with all damps in lows and I have to run Atleast an advanced suit to get the two lows to damp to except able levels but for real competitive dempening I have to run a proto suit that is slow, dies to 5 shoots by a BrAR and can still be scanned... Just seems wrong ''But damps gimp the suit... ''They do not GIMP you suit. They Dampen it in exchange for something else, HP, Speed, Hacking speed...etc...''The gal scout can damp and run hack mods to compete better in hacking. '' Then use a Gal scout. But then you wont have the innate HACKING bonus of the Minmatar or the Incredible Nova Knife damage (the Gal scout cannot achieve) of the minmatar scout. ''The knife bonus is great but again I feel like my suit is gimped with all damps in lows and I have to run Atleast an advanced suit to get the two lows to damp to except able levels but for real competitive dempening I have to run a proto suit that is slow, dies to 5 shoots by a BrAR and can still be scanned...''If you wanted a DAMPENED scout, you chose the wrong race my sneaky friend. CAl and Gal play the damp game a lot better than your min scout or my amarr scout. The min scout is a Speed HAcker + ASsasin. Not a spy / infiltrator. Scouts ...are just not all the same. In my opinion: Min: Speed hacker + AssasinGallente: True Scout (locates and informs while being hard to locate) Caldari: Infiltrator + Battle ScoutAmarr: Flank specialist + Scout HunterAND, you cannot have it all: Min: Best HAcking speed and NK damage. Also , the speediest. // LEAST HP. Gal: Bes DAmpen in the whole game. Good armor rep // Balanced all around. But not spectacular in anything BUT dampening. Cal: Best Radar range without having to sacrifice too much EHP plus best innate Shield regen. / In order for full dampen you need to run around in 87 armor XD. //Need to use his EHP slots (high) to increase precision in orde fo its passive radar to work. Amarr: Monster Scan Precision and Stamina. // Bad speed (min assault is faster than this scout) and rather bulky for scout. IF you want to take full advantage of its precision, you need to run 75 shields. I guess my problem is with feeling that EWAR>ALL. I know some guys do great without it but I just seem to always get shot by some random red I didn't see or pick up on tacnet when I go of the knife... Then a couple shoots and I'm dead with no reaction Time due to lag...
Any tips with regards to this?
Top 16 in every match.... I'm da best!!!!
He killed me... NNNEERRFFFFFF HHHIIIIMMM!!!!!!!!
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Syeven Reed
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1050
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:04:00 -
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One complex is all you really need for pubs.
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
EvE - 21 Day Trial
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Sinboto Simmons
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
6587
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:06:00 -
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Syeven Reed wrote:One complex is all you really need for pubs. for now, I'm happy I've proto damps, just hope it's enough.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
608
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:17:00 -
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Syeven Reed wrote:One complex is all you really need for pubs. From my experience anyone who is a problem for me is running enough percision for me to need two damps
I have fits set up with all reds in lows, one red and one damp, and double damp on my adv. minja I haven't noticed much difference with the single damp, my speed is sufficient for part time scanners. But that's just me, I will try the single damp some more. Though the whole meta is changing tomorrow...
Top 16 in every match.... I'm da best!!!!
He killed me... NNNEERRFFFFFF HHHIIIIMMM!!!!!!!!
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6139
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:24:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote: I guess my problem is with feeling that EWAR>ALL. I know some guys do great without it but I just seem to always get shot by some random red I didn't see or pick up on tacnet when I go of the knife... Then a couple shoots and I'm dead with no reaction Time due to lag...
Any tips with regards to this?
''I guess my problem is with feeling that EWAR>ALL. '' Bright Steel. I've fought you before. You are pretty good. But you are DUMB XD You chose the ONLY SCOUT SUIT, that doesn't do anything E-war wise HAHAH
Ahh. man. sorry. I didnt mean to insult .its just a little funny.
The problem you are having is called lack of awareness. You can try putting 2 cx Range amplifiers and get a super awesome scan range that will let you see every med and heavy frame in 50mts+ range...but i would highly recommend just changing your tactics.
Same as while crossing he street, look everywhere before making a move. Stay close to cover at ALL times. Dont engage large groups of enemies (3+) If you see a shade (another scout) try and stay still. wait for him to start looking for you.
Et...
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4344
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:27:00 -
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Go make a Light Assault MinScout. Don't be afraid to use Reactives and Ferroscales. Equip a BrAr. Draw the attention of enemies and let them chase after you. When they turn a corner expecting a Light Weapon wielding pseudo-assault, OHKO them with your Prof. V NKs.
If Scouts are your problem, remember that you have the stamina regen advantage with sufficient sprinting speed. ALWAYS be on the move! Never stop moving and make sure to do 180s every now and then to see if you're being followed. Being idle or too cautious in your approach will get you killed. You become a sitting duck for all SGers.
Make use of that BrAr. Put those cloaked shotgunners down. Keep out of their range and you'll be fine. You may even be able to take a couple of hits without dying due to your increased eHP.
You don't have to stick to the staple codebreaker, dampener, and kincat fit. You don't even need a cloak. Go against the norms and tank your suit out. You'd be pleasantly surprised by what 300 more eHP can do for the ever so squishy MinScout.
Try this cheap fit, and tell me what you think.
Scout m/1 series
Complex shield Enhanced shield x2 Complex reactive Complex ferroscale
BrAr Ishukone NKs Flux Grenade
Equipment - whatever you can fit |
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6140
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:33:00 -
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SHANKS:
Scout m/1 series
Complex shield Enhanced shield x2 Complex reactive Complex ferroscale
BrAr Ishukone NKs Flux Grenade
Equipment - whatever you can fit
My 2 (At proto level):
City Ghost
1 cx Sidearm damage mod 2 shield extenders (the best you can fit)
2 cx Profile dampeners 1 cx Kin KAt
Good cloak
Nova Knives and Sidearm of preference [/b](i use Either SCR PISTOL or Breach SMG) {This way both weapons get the +8% damage bonus
Speed hacker (not designed for fights X)
2cx Code breakers 1cx Kin CAt
2 Shield exts (the best you an equip) 1 cx precision enhancer ( to see everything at 32mts that is either a med frame, heavy or undamped scouts)
Nova Knives and Light weapon of preference (in my case Breach Ar or SCR rifle)
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
613
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:35:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote: I guess my problem is with feeling that EWAR>ALL. I know some guys do great without it but I just seem to always get shot by some random red I didn't see or pick up on tacnet when I go of the knife... Then a couple shoots and I'm dead with no reaction Time due to lag...
Any tips with regards to this?
''I guess my problem is with feeling that EWAR>ALL. '' Bright Steel. I've fought you before. You are pretty good. But you are DUMB XD You chose the ONLY SCOUT SUIT, that doesn't do anything E-war wise HAHAHAhh. man. sorry. I didnt mean to insult .its just a funny coincidence XD. The problem you are having is called lack of awareness. You can try putting 2 cx Range amplifiers and get a super awesome scan range that will let you see every med and heavy frame in 50mts+ range...but i would highly recommend just changing your tactics. Same as while crossing he street, look everywhere before making a move. Stay close to cover at ALL times. Dont engage large groups of enemies (3+) If you see a shade (another scout) try and stay still. wait for him to start looking for you. Et... I've yet to study under a true master And I admit I get tunnel vision on my target. Wish people would let me be so I can kill that guy, gosh. LOL
I chose minja for speed and I'm addicted to the speed now.
I retreat now to meditate and master this "situational awareness" you speak of...
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
963
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:39:00 -
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With all the changes coming tomorrow I wouldn't waste too much time with all this at the moment.
My Gal scout is in a holding pattern until everything meshes out. I will run the main fit on it I usually do, see what is working and what isn't, and make changes accordingly.
But I'll always have a proto scout suit hanging in my closet. They are too much fun.
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
614
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:43:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Go make a Light Assault MinScout. Don't be afraid to use Reactives and Ferroscales. Equip a BrAr. Draw the attention of enemies and let them chase after you. When they turn a corner expecting a Light Weapon wielding pseudo-assault, OHKO them with your Prof. V NKs.
If Scouts are your problem, remember that you have the stamina regen advantage with sufficient sprinting speed. ALWAYS be on the move! Never stop moving and make sure to do 180s every now and then to see if you're being followed. Being idle or too cautious in your approach will get you killed. You become a sitting duck for all SGers.
Make use of that BrAr. Put those cloaked shotgunners down. Keep out of their range and you'll be fine. You may even be able to take a couple of hits without dying due to your increased eHP.
You don't have to stick to the staple codebreaker, dampener, and kincat fit. You don't even need a cloak. Go against the norms and tank your suit out. You'd be pleasantly surprised by what 300 more eHP can do for the ever so squishy MinScout.
Try this cheap fit, and tell me what you think.
Scout m/1 series
Complex shield Enhanced shield x2 Complex reactive Complex ferroscale
BrAr Ishukone NKs Flux Grenade
Equipment - whatever you can fit I actually have one similar: 3 enhanced extenders
1 complex reactive 1 complex kincat
RS-90 CR Adv knives
Compact hive
It's one of my favorite at the moment
Prolly don't need the kincat but line I said, I'm addicted to speed
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6142
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:45:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:I've yet to study under a true master And I admit I get tunnel vision on my target. Wish people would let me be so I can kill that guy, gosh. LOL I chose minja for speed and I'm addicted to the speed now. I retreat now to meditate and master this "situational awareness" you speak of...
Well, im no Min Scout master...i just have played with all that dust has to offer and choose to share what i've learned.
You chose minja for speed ,but remember speed in this game is NOT a suit, its a Mod. Kinetic Catalizer. And the amount of slots you are willing to sacrifice for them. An assault can run WAY faster than a scout with the correct fit (check my Min assault Fits that runs at 10.4sprt speed with 700 EHP XD)
Yes. Situational awareness is something i can preach about,since i dont have it either.
.... Reason why i use Amarr scouts with 2 complex precision enhancers and 1 cx range amp , or Logis With Poto scans XD
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4961
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:49:00 -
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Why try to cover up your weakness when you can increase your strengths?
I don't damp my Minmatar Scout, I give him damage mods and kins.
If I want to damp, I'll use my Gallente Scout. |
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
615
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:50:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote:I've yet to study under a true master And I admit I get tunnel vision on my target. Wish people would let me be so I can kill that guy, gosh. LOL I chose minja for speed and I'm addicted to the speed now. I retreat now to meditate and master this "situational awareness" you speak of... Well, im no Min Scout master...i just have played with all that dust has to offer and choose to share what i've learned. You chose minja for speed ,but remember speed in this game is NOT a suit, its a Mod. Kinetic Catalizer. And the amount of slots you are willing to sacrifice for them. An assault can run WAY faster than a scout with the correct fit (check my Min assault Fits that runs at 10.4sprt speed with 700 EHP XD) Yes. Situational awareness is something i can preach about,since i dont have it either..... Reason why i use Amarr scouts with 2 complex precision enhancers and 1 cx range amp , or Logis With Poto scans XD You have my interest with this fable MinASS fit... Please do tell...
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6146
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:10:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:
You have my interest with this fable MinASS fit... Please do tell...
Ok
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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thehellisgoingon
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
27
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:13:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Would a dampening bonus to the min scout make it too powerful?
Or more viable???
A Scanned scout is a dead scout from my experience. The minja is so squishy and speed doesn't help when you get a HMG in your face as you round a corner, cause he saw you coming from his shared scans from the gal scout that was with him.
The same gal scout that you couldn't scan cause he has the bonus for dampening but wait, also precision??? He hides and scans??? And has more health then my minja???
My minja is awesome when im not hunted by other scouts. My speed does make up the difference of my low health, but I just can't seem to compete with the other scouts without gimping my fit with all damps in the lows. I could damp better and be as fast with a gal scout.
My bonuses seem useless when I'm getting scanned.... Am I doing it wrong???
Min scouts have speed. Not to mention bonus to hacking and nk. You can be that 1 minja holding down a letter solo. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6146
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:16:00 -
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thehellisgoingon wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Would a dampening bonus to the min scout make it too powerful?
Or more viable???
A Scanned scout is a dead scout from my experience. The minja is so squishy and speed doesn't help when you get a HMG in your face as you round a corner, cause he saw you coming from his shared scans from the gal scout that was with him.
The same gal scout that you couldn't scan cause he has the bonus for dampening but wait, also precision??? He hides and scans??? And has more health then my minja???
My minja is awesome when im not hunted by other scouts. My speed does make up the difference of my low health, but I just can't seem to compete with the other scouts without gimping my fit with all damps in the lows. I could damp better and be as fast with a gal scout.
My bonuses seem useless when I'm getting scanned.... Am I doing it wrong??? Min scouts have speed. Not to mention bonus to hacking and nk. You can be that 1 minja holding down a letter solo.
My Amarr assault eats Min scouts for breakfast >..>
Proto Scan + 2 cx dam mod + Prof 5 VIZIAM Scrambler rifle. I can pretty much 1 shot those dudes XD
No min scout is holding a letter alone. At least not if they are not DAmpened....
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
624
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:16:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote:
You have my interest with this fable MinASS fit... Please do tell...
Ok I think I'm in love.... Except for I wills use flaylock as sidearm (going through a phase)
Got some SP saved that might go to maxing out MinASS
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6147
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:19:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bright Steel wrote:
You have my interest with this fable MinASS fit... Please do tell...
Ok I think I'm in love.... Except for I wills use flaylock as sidearm (going through a phase) Got some SP saved that might go to maxing out MinASS
You can always just use ONE LESS KIN CAT and equip a ferroscale. This should give you about 800 EHP and still over 9.3 sprt speed and good movement.,....
They will be scanning you all the time but HEY! You can move very quickly and your shields will hold up and regen pretty quickly. Plus if you change a Kin Cat and downgrade the nanohices youhcan have even more shields (remember my fit uses Enhanced Shield Ext...)
To be honest, the Minmatar assault is the Most versatile suit there is...
(and remember that Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle has 85 bullets , ty to the Minmatar assault bonus XD MINI HMG!)
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
834
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:22:00 -
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I know how you feel, bro...
Seriously, EWAR's the name of the game, and the Min Scout sucks at it. The Min Scout is very good if there are no other Scouts on the field, but if there are, you're toast. The Min Scout really needs to swap the Knife bonus for dampening. THEN the Min Scout would be as viable as the other Scouts.
/commence flamewar
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6148
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:33:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: The Min Scout really needs to swap the Knife bonus for dampening. THEN the Min Scout would be as viable as the other Scouts.
Not needed. We already have 2 scouts that have dampening.
Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
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