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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
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Posted - 2014.12.08 07:29:00 -
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These probably won't happen but a guy can dream.
1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault
2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%)
3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75)
My three wishes 
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
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Posted - 2014.12.08 07:39:00 -
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:These probably won't happen but a guy can dream. 1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault 2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%) 3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75) My three wishes
That could be great! Except one little detail: only swap the regen between scout and assault, not the delay^^
Complex shield mods really need to be buffed
Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
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Posted - 2014.12.08 07:59:00 -
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Sequal Rise wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:These probably won't happen but a guy can dream. 1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault 2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%) 3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75) My three wishes That could be great! Except one little detail: only swap the regen between scout and assault, not the delay^^ Complex shield mods really need to be buffed
Delay as well, they're ewar/stealth specialists are they not? If they want survivability they should fit it rather than having spoon fed passives.
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Valor Goat
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:10:00 -
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+1, I agree with everything except probably swapping cal scouts' delay, that would mean nobody fitting regulators at all, but yes at the regen rate.
Blue tagz, I beg you, make shield tanking on par with armor tanking!
EDIT: Another wish: complex shield extenders' PG is too high as Caldari suits are more CPU oriented, so move it from 11 to 10-9.
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Valor Goat
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:14:00 -
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:Sequal Rise wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:These probably won't happen but a guy can dream. 1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault 2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%) 3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75) My three wishes That could be great! Except one little detail: only swap the regen between scout and assault, not the delay^^ Complex shield mods really need to be buffed Delay as well, they're ewar/stealth specialists are they not? If they want survivability they should fit it rather than having spoon fed passives.
Then other scouts delay and regen should be toned down too to make the Cal scout still being the best at shields between the four, as it's supposed to be.
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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:20:00 -
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Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining.
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Valor Goat
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:29:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining.
You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor.
Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh?
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BL4CKST4R
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:07:00 -
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What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor?
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Valor Goat
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:10:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor?
Sorry, I'm too lazy atm to make a list.
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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:17:00 -
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Valor Goat wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor? Sorry, I'm too lazy atm to make a list.
Because there is no list!
The pros and the cons are well balanced.
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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:35:00 -
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Valor Goat wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining. You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor. Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh?
Shields already are on par with armor.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:44:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Valor Goat wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining. You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor. Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh? Shields already are on par with armor.
Overall, shields are better than armor.
However, they only shine when you know how to make them work. Shields take more skill to use effectively, and pay for it with less overall drawbacks.
Don't believe me? Run a shield tanked Cal or Min Assault. Learn how to use cover. You would be surprised about how much damage you can take over time if you know when to disengage and regen.
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Valor Goat
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:44:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Valor Goat wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining. You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor. Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh? Shields already are on par with armor.
Hence why there is one or two shield tankers per game, the rest being armor tanked or double tanked.
That's just your opinion, while it's a fact that shield tanking has way too many disadvantages compared to armor tanking.
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Valor Goat
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:46:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Valor Goat wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining. You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor. Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh? Shields already are on par with armor. Overall, shields are better than armor. However, they only shine when you know how to make them work. Shields take more skill to use effectively, and pay for it with less overall drawbacks. Don't believe me? Run a shield tanked Cal or Min Assault. Learn how to use cover. You would be surprised about how much damage you can take over time if you know when to disengage and regen.
Indeed Kaisar, but we're talking about overall advantages-disadvantages, and armor clearly has more and less. I myself find the CalAssault awesome if used properly, but that takes skill and effort.
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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:51:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Valor Goat wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining. You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor. Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh? Shields already are on par with armor. Overall, shields are better than armor. However, they only shine when you know how to make them work. Shields take more skill to use effectively, and pay for it with less overall drawbacks. Don't believe me? Run a shield tanked Cal or Min Assault. Learn how to use cover. You would be surprised about how much damage you can take over time if you know when to disengage and regen.
That's called diminishing returns on a sklii:power balanced game.
Its why the Laser Rifle and Plasma Cannon are **** weapon unless they are used right, in which case they become deadly.
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Valor Goat
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:53:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Valor Goat wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining. You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor. Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh? Shields already are on par with armor. Overall, shields are better than armor. However, they only shine when you know how to make them work. Shields take more skill to use effectively, and pay for it with less overall drawbacks. Don't believe me? Run a shield tanked Cal or Min Assault. Learn how to use cover. You would be surprised about how much damage you can take over time if you know when to disengage and regen. That's called diminishing returns on a sklii:power balanced game. Its why the Laser Rifle and Plasma Cannon are **** weapon unless they are used right, in which case they become deadly.
Yeah, shield tanking is like laser rifles while Armor is like ScRs (triple modded of course lololol).
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:34:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Valor Goat wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining. You seem to be the one moaning about us complaining about our shield sucking compared to your armor. Scared much that shields get on par with armor huh? Shields already are on par with armor. Overall, shields are better than armor. However, they only shine when you know how to make them work. Shields take more skill to use effectively, and pay for it with less overall drawbacks. Don't believe me? Run a shield tanked Cal or Min Assault. Learn how to use cover. You would be surprised about how much damage you can take over time if you know when to disengage and regen.
Better no but that's all opinion based at this point, however it is rewarding at certain times. This game is geared towards cqc and eventually you're forced to go there, especially during fw. Getting slapped by a std breach ar or scrambler riflevfaster than you can reaxt surely isn't balance, nor are the current regen stats.
Complex shield extenders aren't worth the tradeofff unless you're planning on using regulators in all low slots. Shield tanking anything besides proto regulators are useleds to spite its efficacy bonus, best source of evidence would be the apex cal assault. 2 std regulators and you're still behind cover praying you don't get flanked for a good 4 seconds. I couldn't imagine shield tanking appeal to new players when you can't even effectively regen tank without an adv suit and proto regulators.
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:36:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Dust forums just wouldn't be the same without at least 5 new threads every day consisting of nothing but shield users whining.
A 3 point wishlist is considered whining? I threw my two cents out there bud try again.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:26:00 -
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:
Better no but that's all opinion based at this point, however it is rewarding at certain times. This game is geared towards cqc and eventually you're forced to go there, especially during fw. Getting slapped by a std breach ar or scrambler riflevfaster than you can reaxt surely isn't balance, nor are the current regen stats.
Complex shield extenders aren't worth the tradeofff unless you're planning on using regulators in all low slots. Shield tanking anything besides proto regulators are useleds to spite its efficacy bonus, best source of evidence would be the apex cal assault. 2 std regulators and you're still behind cover praying you don't get flanked for a good 4 seconds. I couldn't imagine shield tanking appeal to new players when you can't even effectively regen tank without an adv suit and proto regulators.
This.
you have to be entirely proto shield to do well. and that makes my thrifty side sad.
As Ratatti power grows, my tinfoil hat weakness, and I enjoy the game more.
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
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Posted - 2014.12.09 02:03:00 -
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Valor Goat wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:Sequal Rise wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:These probably won't happen but a guy can dream. 1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault 2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%) 3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75) My three wishes That could be great! Except one little detail: only swap the regen between scout and assault, not the delay^^ Complex shield mods really need to be buffed Delay as well, they're ewar/stealth specialists are they not? If they want survivability they should fit it rather than having spoon fed passives. Then other scouts delay and regen should be toned down too to make the Cal scout still being the best at shields between the four, as it's supposed to be.
Late reply but the cal scout has speed, stealth, ewar, and the second best regen. The cal heavy has the best tegen and given his slot layout that is to be expected. The cal assault has the worst of both and is expected to be used on the front lines. Like I said before, it a scout wants regen it should stack it. In the place they are now they can easily disengage and rep as opposed to the assaults who are pretty much required to start their battles from cover.
In my opinion the regen should be ranked:
Heavy
Medium
Scout
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:24:00 -
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:These probably won't happen but a guy can dream. 1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault 2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%) 3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75) My three wishes
You might as well just remove the scout, game is turning into Assault/Heavy 514.
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Jacques Cayton II
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:33:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor?
The fact that armor can stack ferros and armor reps and enjoy no penalties and the benefits of triage equipment
Fyi ferros give more hp than shield ext
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:43:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor? The fact that armor can stack ferros and armor reps and enjoy no penalties and the benefits of triage equipment Fyi ferros give more hp than shield ext
It is very easy to argue that 66 HP with a minimum of 20HP/s, even with the delay and delat penalties, is just as good, if not better, than a flat 75 HP boost.
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:48:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor? The fact that armor can stack ferros and armor reps and enjoy no penalties and the benefits of triage equipment Fyi ferros give more hp than shield ext It is very easy to argue that 66 HP with a minimum of 20HP/s, even with the delay and delat penalties, is just as good, if not better, than a flat 75 HP boost.
I play shield suits. I run speed/regen suits and i love them but they don't have enough shield hp to truly be REGEN kings since they can get pulverized by a few rounds from the guns on this game. Also i dont no what this shields are regen bs is because on eve almost all my ships are tanked with resistance mods hp and damage mods
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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:46:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor? The fact that armor can stack ferros and armor reps and enjoy no penalties and the benefits of triage equipment Fyi ferros give more hp than shield ext It is very easy to argue that 66 HP with a minimum of 20HP/s, even with the delay and delat penalties, is just as good, if not better, than a flat 75 HP boost. I play shield suits. I run speed/regen suits and i love them but they don't have enough shield hp to truly be REGEN kings since they can get pulverized by a few rounds from the guns on this game. Also i dont no what this shields are regen bs is because on eve almost all my ships are tanked with resistance mods hp and damage mods
They decided to handle shields and armor differently in Dust. The way they did it works better for FPSs. I personally applaud the desicion to make shields for regen and armor for tankiness. It just works better than more traditional MMO mechanics would work in an FPS.
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:54:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:What factors make shields not on par, or balanced, against armor? The fact that armor can stack ferros and armor reps and enjoy no penalties and the benefits of triage equipment Fyi ferros give more hp than shield ext It is very easy to argue that 66 HP with a minimum of 20HP/s, even with the delay and delat penalties, is just as good, if not better, than a flat 75 HP boost. I play shield suits. I run speed/regen suits and i love them but they don't have enough shield hp to truly be REGEN kings since they can get pulverized by a few rounds from the guns on this game. Also i dont no what this shields are regen bs is because on eve almost all my ships are tanked with resistance mods hp and damage mods They decided to handle shields and armor differently in Dust. The way they did it works better for FPSs. I personally applaud the desicion to make shields for regen and armor for tankiness. It just works better than more traditional MMO mechanics would work in an FPS.
Meh i still think it should be like eve so I could run my heavy like I run my drake
I think scouts are like stealth bombers.
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
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Posted - 2014.12.09 04:55:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:These probably won't happen but a guy can dream. 1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault 2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%) 3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75) My three wishes You might as well just remove the scout, game is turning into Assault/Heavy 514.
He says while scouts still reign supreme with nonsensical undeserved stats lol.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.12.09 05:42:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:These probably won't happen but a guy can dream. 1. Scout regen/delay swaped with assault 2. Higher regulation efficacy bonus (3-5%) 3. Slight bonus in complex shield mods (70 - 75) My three wishes You might as well just remove the scout, game is turning into Assault/Heavy 514.
So we've finally come full circle huh?
Circulation complete
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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