errr the current Amarr slot layout is the same slot layout from pre 1.8 so suck it trebek...

It makes no sense. Amarr gets resistance to HMG - right? Plus more base armor? A what, 50 or so shield difference? and way more stamina?

It used to be pretty balanced, choose Minmatard heavy for flanking and speed, Caldari for AV, and Gal and Amarr competed for HMG heavy. Amarr would typically be slightly better at facing other heavies - but Gal could be more versatile with 4 lows. And with Gal low stamina - 4 kats on it wouldn't overwhelm everyone. Stacking 4 armors would keep it up with amarr who still had 3 lows plus a good amount more base armor.


But now?

Amarr is just the choice suit for heavies. Caldari is still the AV heavy pick choice - but Minmatard is doomed.

With resistance to HMG, 4 lows to stack armor, reps, speed, or hack - and good stamina - why would you pick any other heavy?

With gal it made sense - but Amarr? It's just OP.

What data could you of possibly gotten to make this decision? It seems absurd.

Minmatar's flanking ability makes it a great assault like heavy suit, especially in maps with lots of rooms with obstacles to slip around. Cal is the same but for playing defense.

Gal is better at open area offense than Amarr. Amarr is better for open area defense.

Also, isn't the Amarr resistance to projectile weapons (HMG) only for their shields? I forget....

Amarr has resistance to HMG to there armor. which they start with 720+. Gal has no resistance, has around 650 armor.

The shield resistance to HMG works in favor for the Gal - having a bit more. But when you take into account Amarr armor has resistance to HMG - it gives the amarr a huge edge in HP. And now not only does amarr have the highest based health - but can stack 4 slots worth of armor. AND has a lot more stamina.

Gal - it has 1 more rep and 1 low slot. Low slot is almost completely useless on a heavy. Cal gets away with it because it has 4 - just stack the shield. But damage mods are useless. They aren't adding anything substantial to your DPS like a shield extender would to your survivability.

So the gal is low stamina - can't keep up in armor, shield stacking isn't keeping up with armor stacking that has passive resistance as-well, and damage mods aren't worth the CPU/PG spent...

it's superior rep is just completely useless - just like the suit itself.

It makes no sense. Amarr gets resistance to HMG - right? Plus more base armor? A what, 50 or so shield difference? and way more stamina?

It used to be pretty balanced, choose Minmatard heavy for flanking and speed, Caldari for AV, and Gal and Amarr competed for HMG heavy. Amarr would typically be slightly better at facing other heavies - but Gal could be more versatile with 4 lows. And with Gal low stamina - 4 kats on it wouldn't overwhelm everyone. Stacking 4 armors would keep it up with amarr who still had 3 lows plus a good amount more base armor.


But now?

Amarr is just the choice suit for heavies. Caldari is still the AV heavy pick choice - but Minmatard is doomed.

With resistance to HMG, 4 lows to stack armor, reps, speed, or hack - and good stamina - why would you pick any other heavy?

With gal it made sense - but Amarr? It's just OP.

What data could you of possibly gotten to make this decision? It seems absurd.

Did someone say a bonus to Repair Modules!?

Gallente gets 10% to projectile damage.

Quit saying they don't resist the HMG.

yes well said man .............................
but i have a doubt that in skills they dont say resistance to weapons ( projectiles and hybrids ,,etc ) increase per level.just press triangle on the sentinels skills and see it ur selves

It makes no sense. Amarr gets resistance to HMG - right? Plus more base armor? A what, 50 or so shield difference? and way more stamina?

It used to be pretty balanced, choose Minmatard heavy for flanking and speed, Caldari for AV, and Gal and Amarr competed for HMG heavy. Amarr would typically be slightly better at facing other heavies - but Gal could be more versatile with 4 lows. And with Gal low stamina - 4 kats on it wouldn't overwhelm everyone. Stacking 4 armors would keep it up with amarr who still had 3 lows plus a good amount more base armor.


But now?

Amarr is just the choice suit for heavies. Caldari is still the AV heavy pick choice - but Minmatard is doomed.

With resistance to HMG, 4 lows to stack armor, reps, speed, or hack - and good stamina - why would you pick any other heavy?

With gal it made sense - but Amarr? It's just OP.

What data could you of possibly gotten to make this decision? It seems absurd.

Players skilled into gallente sentinels just because of the 4th low slot, and would tank it just like an Amarr sentinel.

Two high slots also made the Amarr favorable for forge gunning, being the all around best suit to use for any type of heavy play.

Now each race has a specific style and isn't stepping on the other's toes. Also, Amarr should always have the most lows.

If the Amarr sentinel got a 2/3 layout again we would have to give the assault a 4/4 layout, and the scout a 3/3 layout in order for things to make sense.

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So **** balance cause lore?

yea.... no. and the amarr sentinel engagement ability is superior to all. It's EHP will make sure to plow through each and every infantry in it's way.

Amarr are always going to have superior number of armor slots.

Amarr are also more likely to have superior endurance and superior resistances as well.

They are weakest in engagement ability and speed.

More like balance because we need 4 play styles to fit the demands of lore. If you don't like the idea of armor regen tanking that the gallente should enjoy then go amarr.

It makes no sense. Amarr gets resistance to HMG - right? Plus more base armor? A what, 50 or so shield difference? and way more stamina?

It used to be pretty balanced, choose Minmatard heavy for flanking and speed, Caldari for AV, and Gal and Amarr competed for HMG heavy. Amarr would typically be slightly better at facing other heavies - but Gal could be more versatile with 4 lows. And with Gal low stamina - 4 kats on it wouldn't overwhelm everyone. Stacking 4 armors would keep it up with amarr who still had 3 lows plus a good amount more base armor.


But now?

Amarr is just the choice suit for heavies. Caldari is still the AV heavy pick choice - but Minmatard is doomed.

With resistance to HMG, 4 lows to stack armor, reps, speed, or hack - and good stamina - why would you pick any other heavy?

With gal it made sense - but Amarr? It's just OP.

What data could you of possibly gotten to make this decision? It seems absurd.

More like balance because we need 4 play styles to fit the demands of lore. If you don't like the idea of armor regen tanking that the gallente should enjoy then go amarr.

**** balance ...?

Amarr are always going to have superior number of armor slots.

Amarr are also more likely to have superior endurance and superior resistances as well.

They are weakest in engagement ability and speed.

Well according to Dust right now I must assume Amarr and Gallente spaceships are the same statistically with very minor differences.

Well, I'd be willing to bet isk that if Gallente suits ALL had significantly higher regen in general, no one would complain.

Well, I'd be willing to bet isk that if Gallente suits ALL had significantly higher regen in general, no one would complain.

Depends on how much is "significant".

If you want to give them 7HP/s base regen you're goddamn wrong.
I'll be complaining.
I'll be complaining about all the Gallente suits fitting nothing but armor plates, and getting higher armor values than my Amarr suits.

If all gallente suits had even 6-7 HP/s people would use them and equip nothing but plates. Don't deny it, because you know its true.

Depends on how much is "significant".

If you want to give them 7HP/s base regen you're goddamn wrong.
I'll be complaining.
I'll be complaining about all the Gallente suits fitting nothing but armor plates, and getting higher armor values than my Amarr suits.

If all gallente suits had even 6-7 HP/s people would use them and equip nothing but plates. Don't deny it, because you know its true.

...

So **** balance cause lore?

yea.... no. and the amarr sentinel engagement ability is superior to all. It's EHP will make sure to plow through each and every infantry in it's way.

...

So **** balance cause lore?

yea.... no. and the amarr sentinel engagement ability is superior to all. It's EHP will make sure to plow through each and every infantry in it's way.

Players skilled into gallente sentinels just because of the 4th low slot, and would tank it just like an Amarr sentinel.

Two high slots also made the Amarr favorable for forge gunning, being the all around best suit to use for any type of heavy play.

Now each race has a specific style and isn't stepping on the other's toes. Also, Amarr should always have the most lows.

If the Amarr sentinel got a 2/3 layout again we would have to give the assault a 4/4 layout, and the scout a 3/3 layout in order for things to make sense.

Depends on how much is "significant".

If you want to give them 7HP/s base regen you're goddamn wrong.
I'll be complaining.
I'll be complaining about all the Gallente suits fitting nothing but armor plates, and getting higher armor values than my Amarr suits.

If all gallente suits had even 6-7 HP/s people would use them and equip nothing but plates. Don't deny it, because you know its true.

No, just no, we used to have:

Amarr = High shields and armor low speed and regen/rep.

Gallente = lowest shields and highest armor.

Caldari = highest shields and lowest armor.

Minmitar = lower shields and armor with higher speed and regen/rep.

Now we have:

Amarr/Gallente = near identical layouts, because Amarr iz teh armor tanks!!!

Caldari = highest shields and lowest armor

Minmitar = lower shields and armor with higher speed and regen/rep.

And thanks to this and really badly thought out data mining as adjustments:

ScR is performing as it should because its on par.... even though it should underperform because only one race is vulnerable to them while 3 races are vulnerable to CR/RR...

AR is being buffed over time because it underperforms... because again only one race was vulnerable to AR.

What this results in: Less and less shield tanking as time goes by from Caldari Medium/Heavies as AR and ScR rip right through them at insane speeds because hey... they don't do good against all teh armor tankz!!!

Inconsiderate Data Mining is inconsiderate. Statistically CR/RR should be outperforming while ScR and AR should be underperforming because instead of having multiple races dependant on shield tanking only one race needs it.

Amarr should have less armor than Gallente with slightly less shielding then the Minmitar. They should have an even slot layout just like the minmitar where on odds they favor a low slot over the minmitar's high slot favor. They should be the slow moving dual brick tanks with low shield regen and rep. Instead, we have two armor tank races because Amarr is teh armor tankz!!! Okay cool, well then the whole system needs to be reworked because +2 base armor rep for gallente at the cost of a lot of shields really? Really?! There also needs to be a heftier difference between the heavies as it stands a gallente could have comparable shields and armor as the Caldari and stack armor reps to outweigh any potential benefit the 200-300 more shields a Caldari sentinel may have compared to 2x or 2.5x armor sentinels can have in armor. Because anyone who thinks 60 shield per second that gets stopped by 0 damage (Yes literally if a forge gun AOE hits near you or a red berry fires a militia AR from 150 meters and you take no damage your shields will stop ticking) from ticking and only ticks fast when completely depleted is on crack. I'd take 35 armor rep and 15 shield recharge any day over 60 shield regen and 12 armor rep (assuming the cal sentinel spends a low slot on a complex armor rep.) You can get more damage mods on a Caldari sentinel for forges by stacking nothing but damage mods in your highs but a Gal sentinel with a damage mod and armor rep will be far more balanced as that Cal sentinel will fold like paper under pressure. That's not even considering the fact that any armor sentinel can get a logi and just stack armor plates. If Caldari sentinels stack extenders that sets their delays to such a screwy rate that I can't see them being anything more than **** fits.

****'s all fubar because the game is being balanced around the Meta instead of by design. But that's at least always been happening in Uprising... don't know about beta.

Right now of all the damage profiles statistically, Rail tech should be outperforming all damage types because their weaponry is -10 shield and +10 armor. Amarr and Gallente are armor tanks by design so CR and Rail weapons would both get a lot more kills however Rail weapons would take the lead on account of the fact that the minmitar favor shield tanking (sort of, but not really because shields get trashed right now by the ever buffing AR variants and the ScR bullshit.) If all weapons are performing on par right now then shield based weapons are overpowered. Why? Because only a fraction of the community is running shield tanks right now.

If amarr had their base shields buffed and their armor ticked down a notch and their slot layout similar to the minmitar while favoring lows over highs on odd numbers we would then effectively have 2 races that can dual tank instead of just one. This will make shield weapons more viable as more shield suits would be on the field. It also, will probably highlight how far out of whack the standard ScR and BAR are currently due to the over reliance on kill numbers without considering what they were killing.