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DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15472	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:29:00 - [1] - Quote Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5340	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:31:00 - [2] - Quote They are annoyed that they can't role hop anymore, at least that is the impression that I get. To which I say: To my real logibros and logisisters, who want to support your team full time: You rock and now your role has purpose. You deserve every WP you ever earn. o7 My advice to you, playa...
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2442	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:35:00 - [3] - Quote Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth.
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 180	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:37:00 - [4] - Quote Sadly deletes spam suits Moves on with life as that is the way of dust Adapts and overcomes
KingThunderBalt 2	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:46:00 - [5] - Quote I know a thing or two about haters 'Patrick57 thinks he is better than anyone he kills, all because he kills them once or twice' -KingThunderBolt
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2281	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:48:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? as a non spammer logi i lament having to waste a DS to get a "tactical" uplink placed out of the way so A-hole scouts cat camp it with their OP ness #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
KingThunderBalt 3	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:49:00 - [7] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? as a non spammer logi i lament having to waste a DS to get a "tactical" uplink placed out of the way so A-hole scouts cat camp it with their OP ness Confirmed, Cat merc camping is a thing. 'Patrick57 thinks he is better than anyone he kills, all because he kills them once or twice' -KingThunderBolt
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 784	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:50:00 - [8] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? as a non spammer logi i lament having to waste a DS to get a "tactical" uplink placed out of the way so A-hole scouts cat camp it with their OP ness As a person with spammer and no-spammer logi suits, how were you getting those "Tactical" uplinks there without a DS before if you'll now need one after bandwidth is added?
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15473	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:51:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? as a non spammer logi i lament having to waste a DS to get a "tactical" uplink placed out of the way so A-hole scouts cat camp it with their OP ness How is this different from anything ever? Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2281	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:51:00 - [10] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? as a non spammer logi i lament having to waste a DS to get a "tactical" uplink placed out of the way so A-hole scouts cat camp it with their OP ness As a person with spammer and no-spammer logi suits, how were you getting those "Tactical" uplinks there without a DS before if you'll now need one after bandwidth is added? because i have previously used a DS to get the first uplink there.. DUH! #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 784	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:51:00 - [11] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: They are annoyed that they can't role hop anymore, at least that is the impression that I get. To which I say: To my real logibros and logisisters, who want to support your team full time: You rock and now your role has purpose. You deserve every WP you ever earn. o7 This couldn't be more the reason they're whining. As a full time gal logibro, I say bring on the changes. Sure, I won't be able to run around and drop 9 links at the start of a match anymore, but oh well.
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 784	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:52:00 - [12] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: RayRay James wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? as a non spammer logi i lament having to waste a DS to get a "tactical" uplink placed out of the way so A-hole scouts cat camp it with their OP ness As a person with spammer and no-spammer logi suits, how were you getting those "Tactical" uplinks there without a DS before if you'll now need one after bandwidth is added? because i have previously used a DS to get the first uplink there.. DUH! Then how does bandwidth change a damn thing in your scenario?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5343	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:52:00 - [13] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth. Truest words spoken on the forums today. My advice to you, playa...
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 163	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:54:00 - [14] - Quote 1. Need an amarr proto logi to be able to put down a variety of links which wont get scanned or discovered so easily so my team can flank from varying directions 2. Amarr proto link fit puts me back 250k per suit, using this for pubs already puts me in the red after i die once 3. Im getting punished for trying to help the team, if i use a lower logi suit the links i can put on it will be less useful in spawn time, equip db meaning they will get eliminated more quickly, less links put down which means less directions to attack from 4. Amarr logi will not be able to put enough links down for a 5pt skirm 5. It forces me to only play as a logi, i could use other logi suits such as Gal/Minmatar and only have to put down a couple of things, with Amarr the bonus is for links but also i cannot change to match the situations ie going AV in a sentinal to kill a HAV or just playing with knifes for fun
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14139	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:55:00 - [15] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth. Difference is, Corn Farmers are productive to society. There's nothing productive about spamming EQ everywhere and then switching to a Scout or HMG at the Supply Depot. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 784	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:00:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth. Difference is, Corn Farmers are productive to society. There's nothing productive about spamming EQ everywhere and then switching to a Scout or HMG at the Supply Depot. Wait, Atiim, are you actually against bandwidth?
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5325	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:01:00 - [17] - Quote After listening to the concerns and sorting the legitimate from the overblown, I have come to the conclusion that the Caldari Logi needs a Sidearm slot. That is, the Deployment oriented Logi suits need more versatility in their suit's fittings since they will be penalized for switching to other suits. Both Caldari and Amarr Logi should be able to make AV (Swarm Launcher) and anti Sniper (Sniper Rifle) fits. With a sidearm the Amarr can do this now, but the Caldari Logi needs a sidearm for personal defense when using these types of weapons. The other two Logi are not as focused on Deployed Equipment, so switching to lower bandwidth suits when adapting to circumstance will not hurt them as much. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14140	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:01:00 - [18] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Atiim wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth. Difference is, Corn Farmers are productive to society. There's nothing productive about spamming EQ everywhere and then switching to a Scout or HMG at the Supply Depot. Wait, Atiim, are you actually against bandwidth? No, I'm not. I was simply stating that spamming EQ everywhere is unproductive. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 784	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:01:00 - [19] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Need an amarr proto logi to be able to put down a variety of links which wont get scanned or discovered so easily so my team can flank from varying directions 2. Amarr proto link fit puts me back 250k per suit, using this for pubs already puts me in the red after i die once 3. Im getting punished for trying to help the team, if i use a lower logi suit the links i can put on it will be less useful in spawn time, equip db meaning they will get eliminated more quickly, less links put down which means less directions to attack from 4. Amarr logi will not be able to put enough links down for a 5pt skirm 5. It forces me to only play as a logi, i could use other logi suits such as Gal/Minmatar and only have to put down a couple of things, with Amarr the bonus is for links but also i cannot change to match the situations ie going AV in a sentinal to kill a HAV or just playing with knifes for fun Yes,m if you want to play the role of a logi now, you actually have TO BE A LOGI! THE HORROR!
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 591	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:01:00 - [20] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Need an amarr proto logi to be able to put down a variety of links which wont get scanned or discovered so easily so my team can flank from varying directions 2. Amarr proto link fit puts me back 250k per suit, using this for pubs already puts me in the red after i die once 3. Im getting punished for trying to help the team, if i use a lower logi suit the links i can put on it will be less useful in spawn time, equip db meaning they will get eliminated more quickly, less links put down which means less directions to attack from 4. Amarr logi will not be able to put enough links down for a 5pt skirm 5. It forces me to only play as a logi, i could use other logi suits such as Gal/Minmatar and only have to put down a couple of things, with Amarr the bonus is for links but also i cannot change to match the situations ie going AV in a sentinal to kill a HAV or just playing with knifes for fun Or... you could focus on only 3 points.. thats all you need to win a game i only run 1 uplink on my suit. 1 link is all you need to give the blueberries a chance. if they waste it, then shame on them, nothing you could do about it. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando

RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 784	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:02:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: RayRay James wrote: Atiim wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth. Difference is, Corn Farmers are productive to society. There's nothing productive about spamming EQ everywhere and then switching to a Scout or HMG at the Supply Depot. Wait, Atiim, are you actually against bandwidth? No, I'm not. OK, I misread then
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15475	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:03:00 - [22] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: After listening to the concerns and sorting the legitimate from the overblown, I have come to the conclusion that the Caldari Logi needs a Sidearm slot. That is, the Deployment oriented Logi suits need more versatility in their suit's fittings since they will be penalized for switching to other suits. Both Caldari and Amarr Logi should be able to make AV (Swarm Launcher) and anti Sniper (Sniper Rifle) fits. With a sidearm the Amarr can do this now, but the Caldari Logi needs a sidearm for personal defense when using these types of weapons. The other two Logi are not as focused on Deployed Equipment, so switching to lower bandwidth suits when adapting to circumstance will not hurt them as much. Thats a fair point, id bring that up in Feedback if you haven't already Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2446	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:06:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth. Difference is, Corn Farmers are productive to society. There's nothing productive about spamming EQ everywhere and then switching to a Scout or HMG at the Supply Depot. Sure there is, otherwise it wouldn't be done. However, there are also downsides, as most all of us have seen/experienced over the past two years or so. The operative question is if the downside is addressed by the bandwidth proposal, and, to the point of this thread, if it introduces other downsides that could have unintended effects on overall gameplay. Now, I'm of the opinion that bandwidth is a good thing and that the downside of spamming equipment as an effective strategy for a team, and farming WP for the individual, is far larger than any potential downsides of bandwidth. However, I suppose we shall see.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5325	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:08:00 - [24] - Quote The second thing that would help is if Logi had a way to tell specific equipment to self-destruct in order to free up bandwidth when the first piece of equipment they dropped is still serving an important purpose and they don't want to lose it. I mean something a little more convenient than standing on one of their Nano Hives and tossing grenades to expend the nanites. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 163	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:09:00 - [25] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Need an amarr proto logi to be able to put down a variety of links which wont get scanned or discovered so easily so my team can flank from varying directions 2. Amarr proto link fit puts me back 250k per suit, using this for pubs already puts me in the red after i die once 3. Im getting punished for trying to help the team, if i use a lower logi suit the links i can put on it will be less useful in spawn time, equip db meaning they will get eliminated more quickly, less links put down which means less directions to attack from 4. Amarr logi will not be able to put enough links down for a 5pt skirm 5. It forces me to only play as a logi, i could use other logi suits such as Gal/Minmatar and only have to put down a couple of things, with Amarr the bonus is for links but also i cannot change to match the situations ie going AV in a sentinal to kill a HAV or just playing with knifes for fun Yes,m if you want to play the role of a logi now, you actually have TO BE A LOGI! THE HORROR! 1. I can play assault and switch to sentinal to do something else and i am not punished, Why should i be punished for switching for a different situation?
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 784	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: RayRay James wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Need an amarr proto logi to be able to put down a variety of links which wont get scanned or discovered so easily so my team can flank from varying directions 2. Amarr proto link fit puts me back 250k per suit, using this for pubs already puts me in the red after i die once 3. Im getting punished for trying to help the team, if i use a lower logi suit the links i can put on it will be less useful in spawn time, equip db meaning they will get eliminated more quickly, less links put down which means less directions to attack from 4. Amarr logi will not be able to put enough links down for a 5pt skirm 5. It forces me to only play as a logi, i could use other logi suits such as Gal/Minmatar and only have to put down a couple of things, with Amarr the bonus is for links but also i cannot change to match the situations ie going AV in a sentinal to kill a HAV or just playing with knifes for fun Yes,m if you want to play the role of a logi now, you actually have TO BE A LOGI! THE HORROR! 1. I can play assault and switch to sentinal to do something else and i am not punished, Why should i be punished for switching for a different situation? Because previously, you could single handedly spam a point with hives and links, run to a supply depot and switch to a sentinel then go back to the point with yout free ammo and armor reps and wp from people spawning. If a logi does that for you, great. If you do that yourself, not great. That's what bandwidth is changing.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15475	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:15:00 - [27] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The second thing that would help is if Logi had a way to tell specific equipment to self-destruct in order to free up bandwidth when the first piece of equipment they dropped is still serving an important purpose and they don't want to lose it. I mean something a little more convenient than standing on one of their Nano Hives and tossing grenades to expend the nanites. The only easy way would be to let you shoot it with a gun. You could possibly have an option to select and destroy it from the mini map, but then youd need a way to tell which one is yours. I dont think it would be too hard in concept, but considering dust is still running on a skeleton crew it may not be as viable in the short term Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 591	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:22:00 - [28] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: RayRay James wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Need an amarr proto logi to be able to put down a variety of links which wont get scanned or discovered so easily so my team can flank from varying directions 2. Amarr proto link fit puts me back 250k per suit, using this for pubs already puts me in the red after i die once 3. Im getting punished for trying to help the team, if i use a lower logi suit the links i can put on it will be less useful in spawn time, equip db meaning they will get eliminated more quickly, less links put down which means less directions to attack from 4. Amarr logi will not be able to put enough links down for a 5pt skirm 5. It forces me to only play as a logi, i could use other logi suits such as Gal/Minmatar and only have to put down a couple of things, with Amarr the bonus is for links but also i cannot change to match the situations ie going AV in a sentinal to kill a HAV or just playing with knifes for fun Yes,m if you want to play the role of a logi now, you actually have TO BE A LOGI! THE HORROR! 1. I can play assault and switch to sentinal to do something else and i am not punished, Why should i be punished for switching for a different situation? actually... you are. When switching from assault to sentinel you lose the mobility in exchage for EHP, when you switch from scout to assault you lose mobility and EWAR, and when you switch from Logi to assault, you lose your equipment bonuses. Some people dont like doing anything but scouting because they dont want to lose those EWAR bonus, and others dont like playing anything but heavy because they like having the Health to tank a firefight. If your playing a logi, you should want to be a logi. right now (pre-1.10) being a dedicated logi is no different than dabbling in logi. Post 1.10, dedicated logis will be much more usefull to the squad, bringing bonuses to the battle that dabblers cant hope to match -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 323	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:49:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? Ive explained it several different times. But people either dont want to read what im saying, or dont even want to understand where im coming from because they already have their minds and biases made up. You have to factor in cost. Right now, my "Front line" fit, an ADV Amarr logi that can deploy 4 uplinks and 3 remotes costs about 15-20,000 ISK. This is the fitting i use the most as its deployed at the start of every game, and used to maintain the 3 uplinks I set out.(the 4th is a spare that sometimes isnt used). Its the suit I lose the most. i dont mind losing it though because how i lose it (Pushing for my team) is an acceptable loss and still leads to a profit. Now that ADV suit, just putting out the links with their RE cover leaves me with 7 bandwidth. Thats leaves me enough room for 3 proxy explosives OR 1 triage nanohive. So now im going to have to diminish one role to reinforce the other. Do I leave my uplinks unprotected so that I can drop a few more proxies or a second triage nanohive? So that leaves me two options: Continue to use the ADV suit i can afford, although with a much reduced effective role, or start using a proto suit i cant afford to maintain the same level of efficiency for my team. And why do i have to go through these changes? Because people said "Spam!". Ok, lets look at whats possible now. 1 Proto-Caldari logi in a squad can drop up to NINE nanohives around a supply depot or objective, then switch to a rep fit. A squad of 6 proto scouts or assaults can each drop anywhere from 1-4 pieces of equipment. How easy is it to switch to a proto assault at a supply depot that has proto hives with 3 active, deploy them, and switch back to proto assault with a scanner or needle. A squad of 6 proto assaults with those 3 active hive deployables = 18 pieces of equipment that can be dropped around a depot or objective. TL;DR: Reduces role, raises costs, doesnt actually fix the problem.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5337	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:54:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: The second thing that would help is if Logi had a way to tell specific equipment to self-destruct in order to free up bandwidth when the first piece of equipment they dropped is still serving an important purpose and they don't want to lose it. I mean something a little more convenient than standing on one of their Nano Hives and tossing grenades to expend the nanites. The only easy way would be to let you shoot it with a gun. You could possibly have an option to select and destroy it from the mini map, but then youd need a way to tell which one is yours. I dont think it would be too hard in concept, but considering dust is still running on a skeleton crew it may not be as viable in the short term I was thinking have your own equipment show as a different color on the map, and be able to select your equipment and deactivate it using an option in the Squad Orders menu (on the map, or with R2+R3). If you were a Squad Leader the destroy equipment would just be another option when you bring up the Squad Orders menu. If you are not a Squad Leader it would be the only option. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10408	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:04:00 - [31] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Need an amarr proto logi to be able to put down a variety of links which wont get scanned or discovered so easily so my team can flank from varying directions 2. Amarr proto link fit puts me back 250k per suit, using this for pubs already puts me in the red after i die once 3. Im getting punished for trying to help the team, if i use a lower logi suit the links i can put on it will be less useful in spawn time, equip db meaning they will get eliminated more quickly, less links put down which means less directions to attack from 4. Amarr logi will not be able to put enough links down for a 5pt skirm 5. It forces me to only play as a logi, i could use other logi suits such as Gal/Minmatar and only have to put down a couple of things, with Amarr the bonus is for links but also i cannot change to match the situations ie going AV in a sentinal to kill a HAV or just playing with knifes for fun You make it sound as if you will be the ONLY logi in your team. For the record, I now have plans to cross train to more logi suits after this update. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10408	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:18:00 - [32] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Atiim wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Corn farmers lament droughts. WP farmers lament bandwidth. Difference is, Corn Farmers are productive to society. There's nothing productive about spamming EQ everywhere and then switching to a Scout or HMG at the Supply Depot. Sure there is, otherwise it wouldn't be done. However, there are also downsides, as most all of us have seen/experienced over the past two years or so. The operative question is if the downside is addressed by the bandwidth proposal, and, to the point of this thread, if it introduces other downsides that could have unintended effects on overall gameplay. Now, I'm of the opinion that bandwidth is a good thing and that the downside of spamming equipment as an effective strategy for a team, and farming WP for the individual, is far larger than any potential downsides of bandwidth. However, I suppose we shall see. Let's also not forget that Flux Strikes from Warbarges will become common in Uprising 1.10 due to the 300 WP cost which is relatively easy for me to farm even in an ADV scout suit that can only deploy two uplinks at once. Any leftover WPs needed can be gained through stabbing, kill assists, equipment destruction, hacking and hack assists which will obviously bring in far more WPs than what my two deployed uplinks can give me. And that's just for me alone. Imagine a whole squad especially with squad leader getting as much as 3,000 WPs if done right. That is 10 Flux Strikes from Warbarge in one match for a squad. All of those deployed equipment will be wiped off the map anyways. EDIT: 300 WPs = 3 hacked objectives = 3.75 hack assists = 5 head shot kills = 6 regular kills = 6 installation hacks = 12 team assists with uplinks = 12 kill assists = 20 intel assists And that's before you are near someone with a defend order on him/her. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 102	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:19:00 - [33] - Quote It destroys solo players. It destroys switching to a heavy role because the bluedots on your team need one. The true problem was broken mechanics causing lag. But CCP can't fix that, so they made a cheap band-aid
Her Chosen Grade No.2 102	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:24:00 - [34] - Quote Not to mention a cheap EMP orbital will be called in every 20-30 seconds
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6108	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:39:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? I LOVE the idea. And i think its only fair. Its the best way to give logis a TRUE role in the Battlefield... Hee i Come Logi AK.0... LEt the AMARRIAN SWARM BEGIN.... +1 to bandwidth Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10409	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:46:00 - [36] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: It destroys solo players. It destroys switching to a heavy role because the bluedots on your team need one. The true problem was broken mechanics causing lag. But CCP can't fix that, so they made a cheap band-aid Not entirely true. You will still be able to solo as a logi if you want. You will just be less encouraged to swap to a new suit. Honestly, as a scout, I never needed to switch out of my scout suit for a stronger suit anyways. I'm a scout 100% of the time in almost every match because I enjoy the speed and profile dampening offered by the suit. Overall, I look at it this way: Logis in squads will be more valuable because they will have the most Bandwidth compared to all other suits. Heavies will depend on you more. Scouts will no longer marginalize Logis due to having two equipment slots. My ADV scout will only be able to deploy two uplinks at a time at the most. Which brings me to another point. I recall that much of the community dreaded the idea of a scout being able to pull triple duty as a Scout with passive scans, Logi with deployed equipment, and as a light-Assault with strafing, hitbox and shield recovery. Everyone wanted scouts to have some kind of nerf including myself because none of us wanted Scouts to marginalize all other classes. Equipment-focused Logis right now are just regarded as throw-away suits used in the beginning of a match and then the user swaps to an assault-oriented suit (often times the light-Assault Scout). With the Bandwidth feature, Equipment-focused Logis will no longer be treated like disposable crap that is later forgotten as the match progresses. Right now, the only Logis I see sticking around the whole match are either repper-Logis or scanner-Logis. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10412	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:51:00 - [37] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Not to mention a cheap EMP orbital will be called in every 20-30 seconds As long as you don't deploy uplinks in easy-to-guess spots, those uplinks are good. I often times deploy uplinks in distant areas where an opposing squad leader is not likely to waste a Warbarge Strike on. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 961	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:57:00 - [38] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? I don't think that you can't put down more. Highly effective people want to maximize the use of their time. Redeploying equipment all the time is hugely time consuming. ISK Trader channel: blitz
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4828	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:00:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? And lets not forget that it somehow doesn't affect the other team either. Wierd that Rattati would set it up that way, but apparently he did. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4828	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:02:00 - [40] - Quote Clone D wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? I don't think that you can't put down more. ~~Highly effective people~~Tourist EQ spammers want to maximize the use of their time. Redeploying equipment all the time is hugely time consuming. FTFY (The godfather of tactical logistics)

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15478	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:09:00 - [41] - Quote Clone D wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? I don't think that you can't put down more. Highly effective people want to maximize the use of their time. Redeploying equipment all the time is hugely time consuming. I too find it odd that a suit designed around deploying equipment may have to spend time deploying equipment Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Ku Shala The Generals 1039	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:09:00 - [42] - Quote dual fit roleing is the new fotm.... scout with max bandwidth items drops load switches to cloak 0 bandwidth equips now is a logi scout, logi dual fits one with bandwidth equips drops load runs to depot brings out slayer fit with 0 bandwidth equipment or no equipment save isk by little or no/cheap equipment after dropping expensive equipment load risk vs reward broken balance of roles broken sandbox broken Dust 514 Broken keep trying *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15478	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:15:00 - [43] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: dual fit roleing is the new fotm.... scout with max bandwidth items drops load switches to cloak 0 bandwidth equips now is a logi scout, logi dual fits one with bandwidth equips drops load runs to depot brings out slayer fit with 0 bandwidth equipment or no equipment save isk by little or no/cheap equipment after dropping expensive equipment load risk vs reward broken balance of roles broken sandbox broken Dust 514 Broken keep trying Its cute how you say this change broke it, when people have been doing EXACTLY that for years now...if they didnt just keep spamming equipment. This kills wp farmers who want to be slayers too, as intended. By all means, build a slayer logi, you wont be as effective but will still get your WP, as intended. The more this topic is covered, the more i fall in love with BW Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Clone D Grundstein Automation 961	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:18:00 - [44] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Clone D wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? I don't think that you can't put down more. ~~Highly effective people~~Tourist EQ spammers want to maximize the use of their time. Redeploying equipment all the time is hugely time consuming and for the simple minded. FTFY FTFY ISK Trader channel: blitz
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4829	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:22:00 - [45] - Quote That barely comes close to almost making any sense. Good try though, you get a pat on the head and a B for effort. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1207	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:30:00 - [46] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: They are annoyed that they can't role hop anymore, at least that is the impression that I get. To which I say: To my real logibros and logisisters, who want to support your team full time: You rock and now your role has purpose. You deserve every WP you ever earn. o7 Stopping people from role hopping would be great if we had something better than these 2005 match sizes. Bandwidth is going to seriously slow down play and bring more boredom to the lobby shooter we all know and love. We will likely see tons of people dropping 1 uplink and then running around in their scout or spamming links then sitting in the redline.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 961	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:46:00 - [47] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: They are annoyed that they can't role hop anymore, at least that is the impression that I get. To which I say: To my real logibros and logisisters, who want to support your team full time: You rock and now your role has purpose. You deserve every WP you ever earn. o7 Stopping people from role hopping would be great if we had something better than these 2005 match sizes. Bandwidth is going to seriously slow down play and bring more boredom to the lobby shooter we all know and love. We will likely see tons of people dropping 1 uplink and then running around in their scout or spamming links then sitting in the redline. Why do you want to stop people from playing mutliple roles? You guys are some real nazzis. ... In the deepest sense of the word. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14151	Posted - 2014.12.05 19:47:00 - [48] - Quote Clone D wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: They are annoyed that they can't role hop anymore, at least that is the impression that I get. To which I say: To my real logibros and logisisters, who want to support your team full time: You rock and now your role has purpose. You deserve every WP you ever earn. o7 Stopping people from role hopping would be great if we had something better than these 2005 match sizes. Bandwidth is going to seriously slow down play and bring more boredom to the lobby shooter we all know and love. We will likely see tons of people dropping 1 uplink and then running around in their scout or spamming links then sitting in the redline. Why do you want to stop people from playing mutliple roles? You guys are some real nazzis. ... In the deepest sense of the word. We don't want to stop people from playing as multiple roles, we want to stop them from playing as multiple roles at the same time. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15478	Posted - 2014.12.05 19:55:00 - [49] - Quote Atiim wrote: Clone D wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: They are annoyed that they can't role hop anymore, at least that is the impression that I get. To which I say: To my real logibros and logisisters, who want to support your team full time: You rock and now your role has purpose. You deserve every WP you ever earn. o7 Stopping people from role hopping would be great if we had something better than these 2005 match sizes. Bandwidth is going to seriously slow down play and bring more boredom to the lobby shooter we all know and love. We will likely see tons of people dropping 1 uplink and then running around in their scout or spamming links then sitting in the redline. Why do you want to stop people from playing mutliple roles? You guys are some real nazzis. ... In the deepest sense of the word. We don't want to stop people from playing as multiple roles, we want to stop them from playing as multiple roles at the same time. Ugh, i hate to agree with Atiim but he said exactly what i was going to Also, believe it or not, calling people ***** can and will get you a temp ban, just a friendly heads up Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1355	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:31:00 - [50] - Quote First off, equipment spamming is largely a function if being able to switch suits at a SD. The solution to this should have been to remove this ability. Second, I hear a lot of people saying this will make logis stick to one role and it is a good thing. Every other player will still be able to switch roles just as easily as now though, vehicle users will still be able to play two roles simultaneously. They may switch to logi suits instead of heavy suits so they can spread equipment while being protected by their vehicles though. Third, protostomping is just going to get worse. Organized squads will be able to still spam equipment, just thise playing solo will not be able to compensate for their team. Fourth, heavy spam will be worse than ever. We will now have logis that drop their equipment then have nothing to do but shove their rep tool up a heavies butt. Heavies get harder to kill, thus more heavies. I'll adapt to the changes and will probably end up with more WP per game than now, but I think this change introduces more imbalance and pissible exploits than it removes, especially when just removing the ability to switch suits would have solved 90% of the equipment spam, solved the invincible suit switching exploit and the multitudinous swarmer problem. Add in flux strikes and equipment spam would have been a non-issue. Because, that's why.

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1355	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:38:00 - [51] - Quote I will probably delete my Forge fits. I always have played forge away from the crowd so I can surprise vehicles. This meant dropping hives first in a scout suit first. If I don't do this I spend most of the match trying to find a hive or safe SD. I won't be able to "spam" those hives anymore. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1355	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:40:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: Clone D wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: They are annoyed that they can't role hop anymore, at least that is the impression that I get. To which I say: To my real logibros and logisisters, who want to support your team full time: You rock and now your role has purpose. You deserve every WP you ever earn. o7 Stopping people from role hopping would be great if we had something better than these 2005 match sizes. Bandwidth is going to seriously slow down play and bring more boredom to the lobby shooter we all know and love. We will likely see tons of people dropping 1 uplink and then running around in their scout or spamming links then sitting in the redline. Why do you want to stop people from playing mutliple roles? You guys are some real nazzis. ... In the deepest sense of the word. We don't want to stop people from playing as multiple roles, we want to stop them from playing as multiple roles at the same time. Then why do we have vehicle drivers wearing dropsuits? Because, that's why.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2528	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:17:00 - [53] - Quote The death of uplink spam is going to be the greatest change this game has ever had. It's honestly the dumbest, most irritating thing this game has faced and I for one cannot wait for the spam to be gone. Nothing (except for maybe crap framerates and shoddy M/KB controls) has ruined my taste in this game more than seeing hundreds of uplinks scattered on rooftops only reachable with a DS. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15485	Posted - 2014.12.06 06:47:00 - [54] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I will probably delete my Forge fits. I always have played forge away from the crowd so I can surprise vehicles. This meant dropping hives first in a scout suit first. If I don't do this I spend most of the match trying to find a hive or safe SD. I won't be able to "spam" those hives anymore. DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2530	Posted - 2014.12.06 07:17:00 - [55] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: I will probably delete my Forge fits. I always have played forge away from the crowd so I can surprise vehicles. This meant dropping hives first in a scout suit first. If I don't do this I spend most of the match trying to find a hive or safe SD. I won't be able to "spam" those hives anymore. DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? Heavies will have 0 bandwidth meaning it will no longer be possible to set up your own nests and switch to a Forge. If you want to stay stocked as a Forge Gunner you'll need a second person to drop hives for you. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15485	Posted - 2014.12.06 07:38:00 - [56] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: I will probably delete my Forge fits. I always have played forge away from the crowd so I can surprise vehicles. This meant dropping hives first in a scout suit first. If I don't do this I spend most of the match trying to find a hive or safe SD. I won't be able to "spam" those hives anymore. DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? Heavies will have 0 bandwidth meaning it will no longer be possible to set up your own nests and switch to a Forge. If you want to stay stocked as a Forge Gunner you'll need a second person to drop hives for you. And thats a bad thing.,,,, how? Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2531	Posted - 2014.12.06 21:29:00 - [57] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: I will probably delete my Forge fits. I always have played forge away from the crowd so I can surprise vehicles. This meant dropping hives first in a scout suit first. If I don't do this I spend most of the match trying to find a hive or safe SD. I won't be able to "spam" those hives anymore. DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? Heavies will have 0 bandwidth meaning it will no longer be possible to set up your own nests and switch to a Forge. If you want to stay stocked as a Forge Gunner you'll need a second person to drop hives for you. And thats a bad thing.,,,, how? I wasn't saying it was, but from your self-quote response it seemed like you were implying he could just drop more equipment as soon as his hives are gone when that won't be possible at all. You should check your wording. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Her Chosen Grade No.2 115	Posted - 2014.12.07 01:19:00 - [58] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Not to mention a cheap EMP orbital will be called in every 20-30 seconds As long as you don't deploy uplinks in easy-to-guess spots, those uplinks are good. I often times deploy uplinks in distant areas where an opposing squad leader is not likely to waste a Warbarge Strike on. An EMP destroys EVERYTHING in the blast radius. Above ground, below, hidden, unhidden, etc... Perhaps you've been around the scrubs that are your students to long and forgot what it's like to play this game as a higher level? 100m wide EMP orbitals will pretty much redline a team in a dom match, and just as they get back to being set up again, they'll get EMP'd again. And, since you can't switch up roles on the battlefield, you'll be f*cked... But hey, this is easily avoided. I'll just bring a full squad, maybe two, into every match, and show the noobs what's its really like to play against organized players.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1390	Posted - 2014.12.07 01:28:00 - [59] - Quote the game is being thrown back to a better time before someone posted a recipe of How to Farm WP on the forums.. you think that all the spam is awesome "Oh my team is winning i heroed dust once again".. other players are like "this lag and unreadable radar is ******* retrded".. the game we knew has been min/maxed into the ground.. you lost, we win, get over it. you were a WP farmer for long enough, our sht got nerfed now its time you feel the pain of the hammer of nerf from ccp. welcome to nerf 514 adapt or uninstall no one in the real world will take not of either.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1360	Posted - 2014.12.08 13:48:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: I will probably delete my Forge fits. I always have played forge away from the crowd so I can surprise vehicles. This meant dropping hives first in a scout suit first. If I don't do this I spend most of the match trying to find a hive or safe SD. I won't be able to "spam" those hives anymore. DUST Fiend wrote: Why do you all seem to act like after your equipment dies, you can't put down more? Heavies will have 0 bandwidth meaning it will no longer be possible to set up your own nests and switch to a Forge. If you want to stay stocked as a Forge Gunner you'll need a second person to drop hives for you. And thats a bad thing.,,,, how? Is it a bad thing? It is for me personally, Ihave no desire to be a tower camper. It eliminates my playstyle, while it does almost nothing to stop protosquads from saturating an area with equipment. The tanker I would be trying to kill can now just drop the equipment before running back to his tank in his logi suit, for example. How does BW help the average player? More power for running proto, more advantage to running in a squad with other vets. Is that really what the fame needs, more advantage to vets? Because, that's why.



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