Basic breach assault rifle:
2,460 ISK
58.1 base damage per shot
415.16 DPS
36 round mag
300 total rounds
No kick
No charge
74m effective range
56.78 accuracy rating

Kaalakiota rail rifle:
47,220 ISK
51.7 base damage per shot
397.69 DPS
42 round mag
252 total rounds
LOTS of kick
0.45s charge
100m effective range
54.47 accuracy rating

For starters, I don't think a basic rifle should ever outclass a proto rifle.

If it's losing a it reserve, I'd add onto that a widening of the dispersion (as to weaken it at range) and a VERY FUKING SMALL increase in damage. 2-5 points of hurt added. It brings it to be superior then a regular AR at "breaching range", but then suffers as range increases. Then, drop the optimal 20meters to 50, to more securely nail it into its spot.

Basic breach assault rifle:
2,460 ISK
58.1 base damage per shot
415.16 DPS
36 round mag
300 total rounds
No kick
No charge
74m effective range
56.78 accuracy rating

Kaalakiota rail rifle:
47,220 ISK
51.7 base damage per shot
397.69 DPS
42 round mag
252 total rounds
LOTS of kick
0.45s charge
100m effective range
54.47 accuracy rating

For starters, I don't think a basic rifle should ever outclass a proto rifle.

BAR has an optimal of 55m. It starts dropping damage rather quickly after that.

Basic breach assault rifle:
2,460 ISK
58.1 base damage per shot
415.16 DPS
36 round mag
300 total rounds
No kick
No charge
74m effective range
56.78 accuracy rating

Kaalakiota rail rifle:
47,220 ISK
51.7 base damage per shot
397.69 DPS
42 round mag
252 total rounds
LOTS of kick
0.45s charge
100m effective range
54.47 accuracy rating

For starters, I don't think a basic rifle should ever outclass a proto rifle.

What do you guys want to do with it.

You all want to nerf it, but so few actually seem to know what they think it wrong. They just say the "Something is wrong" because of its. use.

I've seen people say that The damage increase was too much, and that the range needs to be toned down.


IMO, the range should be toned down a bit (A historically CQC gun hitting FARTHER [By 4 meters] then its regular range counterpart? lulno), but reducing its damage will be the deathstroke to it, again. Its current DPS is something similar to the Regular AR, so nerfing it would drag it back into the dark dungeon w/ the Old Flay and the AV nades. And I hear the Dungeon Master is getting his whips out.

It does gain more from a damage mod then a Regular does, so that's a thing. Not sure If its a BIG issue, but that's a niche the Breach could fit in. Glass Cannoning a Assault.

The thing has a tighter dispersion, and so perhaps it makes it better at long range? I guess? All the rifles are VERY accurate anyway.


Any thoughts?

I'd just like to spark thoughts on WHY the breach is OP, because we all seem to be bandwagoning.

What do you guys want to do with it.

You all want to nerf it, but so few actually seem to know what they think it wrong. They just say the "Something is wrong" because of its. use.

I've seen people say that The damage increase was too much, and that the range needs to be toned down.


IMO, the range should be toned down a bit (A historically CQC gun hitting FARTHER [By 4 meters] then its regular range counterpart? lulno), but reducing its damage will be the deathstroke to it, again. Its current DPS is something similar to the Regular AR, so nerfing it would drag it back into the dark dungeon w/ the Old Flay and the AV nades. And I hear the Dungeon Master is getting his whips out.

It does gain more from a damage mod then a Regular does, so that's a thing. Not sure If its a BIG issue, but that's a niche the Breach could fit in. Glass Cannoning a Assault.

The thing has a tighter dispersion, and so perhaps it makes it better at long range? I guess? All the rifles are VERY accurate anyway.


Any thoughts?

I'd just like to spark thoughts on WHY the breach is OP, because we all seem to be bandwagoning.

The "Golden Rule", if you have longer range, you get less damage per shot, if you get less range you get more damage per shot. Asking for a reduction of range on any weapon (optimal or effective) would have to be compensated by more damage per shot, as easy as that and im pretty sure that the QQ would be on epic levels if the Breach AR got more damage per shot.

What do you guys want to do with it.

You all want to nerf it, but so few actually seem to know what they think it wrong. They just say the "Something is wrong" because of its. use.

I've seen people say that The damage increase was too much, and that the range needs to be toned down.


IMO, the range should be toned down a bit (A historically CQC gun hitting FARTHER [By 4 meters] then its regular range counterpart? lulno), but reducing its damage will be the deathstroke to it, again. Its current DPS is something similar to the Regular AR, so nerfing it would drag it back into the dark dungeon w/ the Old Flay and the AV nades. And I hear the Dungeon Master is getting his whips out.

It does gain more from a damage mod then a Regular does, so that's a thing. Not sure If its a BIG issue, but that's a niche the Breach could fit in. Glass Cannoning a Assault.

The thing has a tighter dispersion, and so perhaps it makes it better at long range? I guess? All the rifles are VERY accurate anyway.


Any thoughts?

I'd just like to spark thoughts on WHY the breach is OP, because we all seem to be bandwagoning.

Why would yo decrease the range AND the damage, doesn't make sense...

Shouldn't it have longer range than the reg ar with its lower rate of fire and higher damage? I have a feeling that this weapon will be nerfed into oblivion. I'm not quite sure why everyone feels the reg ar needs to be better than the breach.
As far as nerf suggestions, as long as its as good as it was pre buff I'll be fine.

Range is way too high, for a AR.

Damage is also pretty damn high.

If you're talking about range vs damage, then reduce both Caldari Rifles to max range pea shooters while the basic AR becomes a death machine. While we're at it, increase shotgun damage to OHK every suit in the game and increase AV potential for it, too.

There are other factors at play.

Range is way too high, for a AR.

Damage is also pretty damn high.

If you're talking about range vs damage, then reduce both Caldari Rifles to max range pea shooters while the basic AR becomes a death machine. While we're at it, increase shotgun damage to OHK every suit in the game and increase AV potential for it, too.

There are other factors at play.