DUST Search - This deserves a respec gift sent out to the logis

LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:

The last time a free respec was given out was when equipment was changed. it was changed so that the skill level of your racial logi suit affected the equipment stats. I got Amarr logi Lv5 and uplinks Lv5 because i wanted to be able to deliver soldiers into battle in as many numbers in as little time as I could.

As the changes stand now, Im not even allowed to put out enough uplinks to cover all the objectives on a 5 point skirm. Nevermind things like anti vehicle traps or triage nanohives. Its ridiculous that a GK.0 scout can switch to a double swarm launcher, destroy a expensive vehicle effortlessly, and then switch back to their Scout fit. Why doesn't a scout cloak have a finite amount of uses on it? How come an HMG doesnt destory itself after too many seizes? Why dont batteries/nanites run out in the scanner/repair tool?

So let us start over. Following people around and repairing them/reviving them is not what I signed up for. Infact, its a Minmatar role and all my SP would have to be reinvested just so I can have the privilege of continuing the play the game. Since people can still deploy uplinks in the GK.0 scouts and then go on cloaking and slaying, give people the chance to unsubscribe from logi.

It seems kind of ridiculous that have tons of SP invested just to have a role you can only play for 5 minutes and then you either have to switch to repairs or stand around and do nothing. If its going to be this way mise as well just reinvest all my role dedicated SP and then get a few Faction Apex logis that take no skill and ill have them if I need them.

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LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 301	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:00:00 - [1] - Quote The last time a free respec was given out was when equipment was changed. it was changed so that the skill level of your racial logi suit affected the equipment stats. I got Amarr logi Lv5 and uplinks Lv5 because i wanted to be able to deliver soldiers into battle in as many numbers in as little time as I could. As the changes stand now, Im not even allowed to put out enough uplinks to cover all the objectives on a 5 point skirm. Nevermind things like anti vehicle traps or triage nanohives. Its ridiculous that a GK.0 scout can switch to a double swarm launcher, destroy a expensive vehicle effortlessly, and then switch back to their Scout fit. Why doesn't a scout cloak have a finite amount of uses on it? How come an HMG doesnt destory itself after too many seizes? Why dont batteries/nanites run out in the scanner/repair tool? So let us start over. Following people around and repairing them/reviving them is not what I signed up for. Infact, its a Minmatar role and all my SP would have to be reinvested just so I can have the privilege of continuing the play the game. Since people can still deploy uplinks in the GK.0 scouts and then go on cloaking and slaying, give people the chance to unsubscribe from logi. It seems kind of ridiculous that have tons of SP invested just to have a role you can only play for 5 minutes and then you either have to switch to repairs or stand around and do nothing. If its going to be this way mise as well just reinvest all my role dedicated SP and then get a few Faction Apex logis that take no skill and ill have them if I need them.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15360	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:02:00 - [2] - Quote People may finally spawn in my dropship :3 Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Travis Stanush Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 203	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:04:00 - [3] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Boo- Hoo CCP bokeded mah WP farm . No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5240	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:07:00 - [4] - Quote OP SP investments: Caldari/Amarr logi V Equipment of choice III - V Sentinel V Every HMG skill V Scout V SG V Cloaks V My advice to you, playa...
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 440	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:07:00 - [5] - Quote ain't it strange too, how the two logis (cal and amarr) who's bonus is equipment based have the lowest bandwidth? that's mind boggling. i see your point too about wep switching, but ccp also did this because equipment spam caused lag.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 921	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:08:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: People may finally spawn in my dropship :3 That moment an MCRU has a longer spawn time than a militia uplink.... Dont think so. We need advanced and proto MCRU -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 301	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:11:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: People may finally spawn in my dropship :3 i have nothing against mobile CRUs; Infact some of the first vehicle fits i ever made on this game had them. Till I realized that they were too underused for the cost. that doesnt mean its a good replacement for my role. A CRU has the following risks: 1. Vehicle being destroyed before spawn is completed or right after 2. Vehicle no longer being anywhere you wanted to be by the time you spawn 3. Vehicle over capacity which can lead to you becoming roadkill in Factional or otherwise ejected from the vehicle in a bad area The reason im so upset here is because I worked hard to get my uplinks in places people will need them. Any dummy can just toss down links. I put mine in places that require a dedicated effort from the enemy to remove them. it buys time for a team recoiling from a successful enemy offensive. Its not worth all this extra SP to be able to do just a slight bit more than someone with no SP can.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 448	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:12:00 - [8] - Quote hold that wrote: ain't it strange too, how the two logis (cal and amarr) who's bonus is equipment based have the lowest bandwidth? that's mind boggling. i see your point too about wep switching, but ccp also did this because equipment spam caused lag. Imma go ahead and guess that Am and Cal logis are gonna get a bandwidth bonus for their racial equipment. Just guessing though. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 485	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:14:00 - [9] - Quote Why dont you keep uplinks in the third slot when you go off the rep and revive? With a proto amarr logi you can still drop 8 live proto uplinks at once. Advanced can drop 6 proto links If you change out to an assault you still keep 4 proto links on the field. I was against BW limits as welll, but seeing as i still get enough BW for my suits to keep my best links up then i'm not worried. And if you had no interest in repping, reviving and resuuplying then, yeah, you shouldn't have become a logi. Not thats not stopping you from removing all of your equipment form a fit and using the amarr suit as a slayer. Just saying. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 153	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:15:00 - [10] - Quote 1. Amarr/Caldari have the lowest bandwidth out of the logi suits 2. Amarr/Caldari logi role are both linked to deployable equipment which costs bandwidth 3. Deployable equipment can be destroyed but a scanner/needle or repper cannot 4. Essentially you will see alot less equipment out 5. Chances are you will have to use a proto Amarr/Caldari suit just to be able to put enough links out to give options, if they get scanned which they easily could do since its only 36db then they will get destroyed instantly meaning Amarr/Caldari logi may have to proto stomp just to be more useful 6. mCRU is still worthless and still no adv/proto versions 7. Scout will still throw RE like grenades

LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4252	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:16:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: People may finally spawn in my dropship :3 NO! I'm tired of spawning in only to be met with a fiery death. I rather spawn in front of a group of reds. At least I'd have the chance to fight back a little.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3712	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:16:00 - [12] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: It seems kind of ridiculous that have tons of SP invested just to have a role you can only play for 5 minutes and then you either have to switch to repairs or stand around and do nothing. If its going to be this way mise as well just reinvest all my role dedicated SP and then get a few Faction Apex logis that take no skill and ill have them if I need them. And this is exactly why Logis need additional roles besides a single piece of equipment. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Travis Stanush Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 203	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:17:00 - [13] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Why dont you keep uplinks in the third slot when you go off the rep and revive? With a proto amarr logi you can still drop 8 live proto uplinks at once. Advanced can drop 6 proto links If you change out to an assault you still keep 4 proto links on the field. I was against BW limits as welll, but seeing as i still get enough BW for my suits to keep my best links up then i'm not worried. And if you had no interest in repping, reviving and resuuplying then, yeah, you shouldn't have become a logi. Not thats not stopping you from removing all of your equipment form a fit and using the amarr suit as a slayer. Just saying. ^this No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 301	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:19:00 - [14] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Imma go ahead and guess that Am and Cal logis are gonna get a bandwidth bonus for their racial equipment. Just guessing though. It still curtails my role. Slayers can drop uplinks, but how am I supposed to slay in a logi suit? its not easy. Sure, I can defend myself with moderate success in my logi suits, but they arent wise for going on the offensive. Im just saying it does nothing to curtail "spam". There will still be uplinks everywhere. Only less of them will be placed by dedicated logis. 2 dedicated hive and rep logis can still place 4 hives at the underground depot. Another squad can add their 1 uplink/hive each and go fight and you still have a big equipment pile up. I get that people dont want spam, but this is targeting the wrong people.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1202	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:21:00 - [15] - Quote All Amarr and Caldari logis should deploy their equipment and return to the red line. This is the only way CCP will realize the error in this terrible idea. This is already the style they pushed towards with the way the equipment bonuses work and now they are making it so that a logi may not switch to a real suit to help his team.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5240	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:22:00 - [16] - Quote You are a logi, you aren't meant to "slay". You support your team with more efficient equipment and the occasional kill assist. That's your job. If you became a logi for the K/D you are doing it incorrectly. My advice to you, playa...
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 301	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:24:00 - [17] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Why dont you keep uplinks in the third slot when you go off the rep and revive? With a proto amarr logi you can still drop 8 live proto uplinks at once. Advanced can drop 6 proto links If you change out to an assault you still keep 4 proto links on the field. I was against BW limits as welll, but seeing as i still get enough BW for my suits to keep my best links up then i'm not worried. And if you had no interest in repping, reviving and resuuplying then, yeah, you shouldn't have become a logi. Not thats not stopping you from removing all of your equipment form a fit and using the amarr suit as a slayer. Just saying. Im a solo player though. How do you want me to just know? Yeah, I have a fit with a needle, rep tool, and triage hives. Its extremely rare that I use it though because generally people that would need that, like squads, have their own guy. Its not alot of fun and its usually a last resort in a very specific set of maps. You say I can do all these things...I always set an RE on my uplinks. It increases their longetivity. Now that is going to be factored in too. Cant do that as much anymore. What about the ISK cost of it all? Its going to go way up. I wont be able to set any anti vehicle traps anymore either.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1700	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:25:00 - [18] - Quote I'm not here to be helpful. No. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 301	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: You are a logi, you aren't meant to "slay". You support your team with more efficient equipment and the occasional kill assist. That's your job. If you became a logi for the K/D you are doing it incorrectly. No way I do it for the K/D. If you told me that I had to stay in nothing but logi suits the whole match to keep my equipment active, I would be ok with that. That would mean no HMG, Forge, Commando, Assault, Scout, ect. But thats not what this is. It basically locks me to one set of equipment in one suit. I lose all my variety. If i choose uplinks, once they are deployed, I have nothing to do. Whears now, i can go set down some proxy mines so that vehicles dont sneak up on my teams rear.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 512	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:34:00 - [20] - Quote Let's just wait and see what happens after 1.10 releases. Then we'll see if this needs a few tweaks or not.

LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 301	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:36:00 - [21] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: OP SP investments: Caldari/Amarr logi V Equipment of choice III - V Sentinel V Every HMG skill V Scout V SG V Cloaks V Since you asked: Amarr Logi Lv 5 Gallente Logi Lv1 Gallente Assault Lv1 (Only for my Quafe BPO) Caldari Commando Lv3 Gallente Commando Lv3 (No light suits, scouts, or sentinel unlocked) HMG Lv1 SG Lv1 Uplinks Lv5 Remotes Lv5 Hives Lv4 Scanners Lv2 Rep tool Lv1
Travis Stanush Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 203	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:36:00 - [22] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: You are a logi, you aren't meant to "slay". You support your team with more efficient equipment and the occasional kill assist. That's your job. If you became a logi for the K/D you are doing it incorrectly. No way I do it for the K/D. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4779	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:58:00 - [23] - Quote hold that wrote: ain't it strange too, how the two logis (cal and amarr) who's bonus is equipment based have the lowest bandwidth? that's mind boggling. i see your point too about wep switching, but ccp also did this because equipment spam caused lag. Obviously a typo. The spreadsheet Rattati put out shows the exact oppposite. @OP: I'm a little confused about something. Are you suggesting you switch out of an Amarr logi suit completely after dropping the uplinks? Because: - if you don't, then you can put out, what, 8 uplinks at PRO? How many do you need? - If you do, one, you're doing it wrong. That's not how the bonus works. Two, what suit are you switching to? Apparently not a logi suit, in which case I don't feel too sorry for you. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 317	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:08:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: People may finally spawn in my dropship :3 I miss my Eyrox sooo much. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 567	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:10:00 - [25] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: People may finally spawn in my dropship :3 NO! I'm tired of spawning in only to be met with a fiery death. I rather spawn in front of a group of reds. At least I'd have the chance to fight back a little. youve never spawned in my myron then. the only people that die are the idiots AFKing in the passenger seats. Any pilot running a MCRU should focus on transporting troops to lightly guarded objectives, and providing limited support. if i land outside the objective building and you dont get out, then im going to assume you dont mind dying a fiery death. People should know to jump out as soon as i land on the ground. .... but yea, after saying all this, there are people out there who just stick a mcru on a viper and try to farm WPs. Its pretty great when random Blueberries start to trust your dropship and decide to spawn in it over and over. ive even had people jump out, secure the objective, and then jump back in, all without any voice coms. Its quickly becoming my favorite way to play the game. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2245	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:14:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: People may finally spawn in my dropship :3 they still wont spawn on a ** pilot ;p #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]**
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 302	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:20:00 - [27] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: @OP: I'm a little confused about something. Are you suggesting you switch out of an Amarr logi suit completely after dropping the uplinks? Because: - if you don't, then you can put out, what, 8 uplinks at PRO? How many do you need? - If you do, one, you're doing it wrong. That's not how the bonus works. Two, what suit are you switching to? Apparently not a logi suit, in which case I don't feel too sorry for you. No, I switch to another Logistics A/1 series fit, but with AV equipment. I have one for going after tanks with remotes and another for laying down proxies. Both have the PLC instead of a rifle. Also, I always put an RE on my uplinks. Now the BW cost is prohibitive which leaves my uplinks less protected. It limits overall what i can do and trys to shoehorn everyone into a robotic "Spawn, deploy equipment, grab repair tools, be in a squad, ect". role. Im going to have to upgrade my costs to all expensive proto suits and gear just to get a glass ceiling over results.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5592	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:22:00 - [28] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: The last time a free respec was given out was when equipment was changed. it was changed so that the skill level of your racial logi suit affected the equipment stats. I got Amarr logi Lv5 and uplinks Lv5 because i wanted to be able to deliver soldiers into battle in as many numbers in as little time as I could. As the changes stand now, Im not even allowed to put out enough uplinks to cover all the objectives on a 5 point skirm. Nevermind things like anti vehicle traps or triage nanohives. Its ridiculous that a GK.0 scout can switch to a double swarm launcher, destroy a expensive vehicle effortlessly, and then switch back to their Scout fit. Why doesn't a scout cloak have a finite amount of uses on it? How come an HMG doesnt destory itself after too many seizes? Why dont batteries/nanites run out in the scanner/repair tool? So let us start over. Following people around and repairing them/reviving them is not what I signed up for. Infact, its a Minmatar role and all my SP would have to be reinvested just so I can have the privilege of continuing the play the game. Since people can still deploy uplinks in the GK.0 scouts and then go on cloaking and slaying, give people the chance to unsubscribe from logi. It seems kind of ridiculous that have tons of SP invested just to have a role you can only play for 5 minutes and then you either have to switch to repairs or stand around and do nothing. If its going to be this way mise as well just reinvest all my role dedicated SP and then get a few Faction Apex logis that take no skill and ill have them if I need them. Aurum respecs are available at any time should you feel that your skill point choices were not made in your best interests. Please feel free to use the service. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 773	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:23:00 - [29] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Also, I always put an RE on my uplinks. Now the BW cost is prohibitive which leaves my uplinks less protected. Bullshite, you do it so that when a red shoots your link he blows up. It has nothing to do with protecting your uplinks
Ku Shala The Generals 1033	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:32:00 - [30] - Quote this is not the solution anyway (fit one) expensive expendable equipment (fit two) bpo equipment high ehp stacking/damage mods = both suits have same bandwidth one 1 suit has expendable equipment that costs bandwidth one farms wp and can kill. can we say dawn of the amarr slayer logi *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0



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