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With the coming changes to the meta shifting to an EWAR focus, it is very obvious armor suits will struggle to remain competitive. To summarize my reasoning :

1) dampeners are the better module, provide -25% and have no penalty, because low slot they are useless or close to useless for an armor tank
2) precision enhancers are bad compared to dampeners, provide -20% and HAVE a penalty to your profile. So these can't be used on armor suits since we can't sacrifice tank to counter the penalty with dampeners.
3) a good EWAR armor suit will have less hp, less speed, and less repair than a good EWAR shield suit. Equally what balances out the both is that armor suits have slightly higher damage output, which also adds to making precision enhancers not an option.

Discuss

Dampeners were supposed to give a scan precision reduction, no?

I find it great that you have to niche your fittings eWAR capability. This will in turn force people to chose a tank type, and not mix shield and armor.

You will probably start seeing more race tanked fittings like this one: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1261/9121

Dampeners were supposed to give a scan precision reduction, no?

I find it great that you have to niche your fittings eWAR capability. This will in turn force people to chose a tank type, and not mix shield and armor.

You will probably start seeing more race tanked fittings like this one: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1261/9121

1, armor has been far too dominant for far too long.
2, its good to see change
3, shield suits have been gimps for far too long (excluding cal scout.. F them in the A with a fist full of rusty corn-cob holders)
4, armor suits can still get decent tanks/buffers even WITH ewar moduals.. boo hoo i need to fit a precission and not 3x complex damage mods Boohoo...

Yeah, maybe I was wrong about that. But it would only make sense to have it like that.

Dampeners NEED to work like the cloak dampening, you get reduced scan range when you put dampeners on your suit.

Yeah, maybe I was wrong about that. But it would only make sense to have it like that.

Dampeners NEED to work like the cloak dampening, you get reduced scan range when you put dampeners on your suit.

Also, range amps should reduce your scan precision.

And then precision enhancers should increase your profile (like in the proposal).

Even if my damp cal assault shots your undamp amar assault you will still kill me your HP is way bigger then make me :/

Definately, specially if using precision enhancers will make you show up more

its one or the other, not both.. risk vs reward. i can build many armor based suits with decent buffer/reps AND have a damp. on them.. people are just too lazy to skill up active scanners.. even advanced on a level 3 gal logi could pick up players with a single damp

Dampeners were supposed to give a scan precision reduction, no?

I find it great that you have to niche your fittings eWAR capability. This will in turn force people to chose a tank type, and not mix shield and armor.

You will probably start seeing more race tanked fittings like this one: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1261/9121

So why can my shield suit have decent buffer + rep + dampening but my armor suit can't?

Also how come a dampener gives reward and no risk (penalty) but the enhancer does?

Your arguments are slightly hypocritical.

Also I got lvl 5 active scanners which further reduces my need to use precision enhancers in my highs

So why can my shield suit have decent buffer + rep + dampening but my armor suit can't?

Also how come a dampener gives reward and no risk (penalty) but the enhancer does?

Your arguments are slightly hypocritical.

Also I got lvl 5 active scanners which further reduces my need to use precision enhancers in my highs

your being a noob now.. shield tanked suits are weak as hell*.. they use their lowslots for lowering time taken before shield reps kick in.. IE NO PLATES.. meaning they are already nearly 1/2 the EHP of an armor tanker.

*shiedl tanks are screwed by Flux nades, the semi-OP SCR and the totally OP BAR. being a shiedl tank gives much less reaction time when you get shot, there is no repairer for shields, only armor.. so it only seems fair that shield tankers sacrifice soem of their non existant armor tank for a dampener.. that is if they arnt already useing 2x shield reg, 1 kinkat and a goddamn CPU upgrade because shield tankers are CPU starved!

GITGUD L2DUSTBRO

Shield suits have a decent rep ?? When did this happen, unless you're a scout and can run your ass to cover the delay = death before reps kick in if not then the delay resets once you take damage so I wouldn't even call it a "buffer" if anything armor suits can e-war with a better "buffer" by dual tanking...

You people only see in black and white.

If a person was stupid enough to engage a high hp suit out in the Open with no cover 1v1 and duking it out then yeah, no **** the High hp suit wins if you guys have the same weapon at the same range.


But things are never that black and white like most Dust players would love to think.


You can easily counter your disadvantages if you at least give it a moment of thought.


The suit's slow, stay at range engage at range. Just make sure you get the drop on him first.
In this new ewar world shields suits will be at an even bigger advantage with being able to know where more people are to stay away from combat that's not in their preferred range.


It's also important to ask, what weapons and what ranges do you typically engage enemies because you can't play however you choose to with whatever you want, a lot of players fail to realize this.

I had one idiot in local that was complaining about not getting kills at long range with the Plasma Rifle (which is the same with fools crying about RR not fighting well at close range) we told him that he'd have to change his weapon to be able to do this and he said that this [the game] was bullshit and he was quitting Dust.


If this is the mentality of most Dust players, which seems to be more and more likely by the day, then by the far chance Legion actually comes out only for the PC, I'll be glad to leave the console idiots behind.
Thinking while fighting is too hard for them because they've been babied by all the generic FPS games in the last ten years.

We might actually start seeing shotgun logis now.

If this is the mentality of most Dust players, which seems to be more and more likely by the day, then by the far chance Legion actually comes out only for the PC, I'll be glad to leave the console idiots behind.
Thinking while fighting is too hard for them because they've been babied by all the generic FPS games in the last ten years.

The "wreckoning"!