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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.12.02 11:05:00 -
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Anarchide would have been a better choice than judge.
I am the greatest gamer of all time.
Like if you agree.
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Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
150
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Posted - 2014.12.02 13:17:00 -
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1. You cannot impeach anyone it seems because it would have happened with CPM0 at least on 4 different members
2. CPM0 had a large amount of controversy and just outright lies and failures, CPM1 is trying its best to carry on this tradition but CPM0 set a high bar so impeachments would be happening quite a bit that there wouldnt be much of a CPM left
CCP Rattati wrote:The CPM is incredibly active, hard working and for the lack of a better word, useful for DUST 514 development. I speak with them literally every day, meet with them on video at least twice a month, and we trade emails about specific topics daily, many of which are collections of feedback from forum threads, CPM threads, direct corporation feedback and experience.
1. This has nothing to do with the question
2. CPM Judge has fallen off the map and moved to Destiny and since you were able to put in the ADS nerf on a whim since it was your decision and yours alone i doubt you were talking to judge the supposedly 'pilot' (i use that term very very loosly with judge) of the group, most likely it was xel who wants COD in space
3. Every CCP dev have said what you have said at some point, but to the community its just false and no one really believes it anymore since actions speak louder than words
4. If you really want to see what the community thinks of the CPM put in the option for the next CPM elections to vote to scrap the CPM and chuck it in the bin, since less than 1% voted in CPM1 i wouldnt be suprised if ppl voted to get rid of the CPM |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2281
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Posted - 2014.12.02 13:33:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The CPM is incredibly active, hard working and for the lack of a better word, useful for DUST 514 development. I speak with them literally every day, meet with them on video at least twice a month, and we trade emails about specific topics daily, many of which are collections of feedback from forum threads, CPM threads, direct corporation feedback and experience.
Wow, so I start a topic that garners widespread support throughout the community (though is obsolesced by at that time NDA breaching info) and I get no blue tag......
Bring up impeaching a CPM and I get a blue tag?
I should bring up impeaching CPMs more often. 
In actual response, I am not denying the "usefulness" of having them as information gatherers (seven people actively gathering info > one person actively gathering info or even just passively listening to the throng for that matter).
However, I wonder if allowing them to behave against the forum rules benefits CCP in the eyes of the community at large (rather than the eyes of those who'd like what their CPM says no matter what because ::party line::).
Beyond that, I am curious why it is allowed to occur with regularity where if a non-CPM member did the same things, they'd receive forum bans of increasing severity (which would serve to drag out the infractions due to the gag of forum ban instead of allowing them to go on unchecked for pages at a time in threads). I would imagine that the CPM would be held to the same standards as any other member of the community (if not stricter standards) since they are still members of the community they were selected by. IMHO, they'd serve as a better (and more public) example of "break the rules and this is what happens" since they are more widely known than the rest of us lowly plebeians.
In closing, being a CPM shouldn't be seen as carte blanche for bad behavior, in fact, they should be even more heavily scrutinized than your average forumites.
Dust514/Legion should be a(n):
[_] Arcade Lobby Shooter
[X] Sci-fi Military Sim
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2281
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Posted - 2014.12.02 13:36:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
as a cpm you shouldnt be useing alts to **** post or hide.
On the contrary, if CPM members are going to be shitposting, I'd hope they'd be doing it on alts rather than with the endorsement of a white tag next to it....
Dust514/Legion should be a(n):
[_] Arcade Lobby Shooter
[X] Sci-fi Military Sim
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.12.02 13:47:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Do you even know what the word "Impeach" means? Why yes, yes I do. @Arkena Agree, disagree, this has nothing to do with my question. I simply want to know if there is a defined protocol for accusing a CPM of gross misconduct and taking action against them.
Being impeached does not equal removing from office. Being impeached is essentially an official indictment. Basically, it's a not a punishment. You still have to be convicted to be removed from office. The conviction, not the impeachment, is the punishment. So no, I also don't think you know what this word means.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
8666
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Posted - 2014.12.02 14:00:00 -
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Another example of just how stupid the DUST 514 player base can be.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2626
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Posted - 2014.12.02 15:11:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Another example of just how stupid the DUST 514 player base can be.
I sometimes wonder why I read these forums.
For ever well thought out post or engaging discussion there are at least triple that in random bollocks and people who literally do not even have the first clue what they are talking about. I will give you one guess as to who that might be in this thread 
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Moorian Flav
277
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Posted - 2014.12.02 15:19:00 -
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As what happens between the CPMs and CCP (at least for the most part) is not shared common knowledge, most players are left to make assumptions about what's going on. Some of those making assumptions go off what little actual info they find while others appear to make assumptions off of hearsay/rumors. While I think one is definitely better than the other, it basically has the same baseless results due to (again) not truly knowing what is going on between the CPMs and CCP.
In short, the CPMs voted for are who we are going to have (/be stuck with) for the cycle. The only way I see a CPM could be plausibly removed is via CCP and/or CPM majority as there is no way for the overall playerbase to prove their accusations (due to lack of data/facts).
In very short, you might as well stop your complaining about the CPMs themselves and just focus on providing feedback for the game itself.
I don't troll; I tell the truth.
I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
4896
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Posted - 2014.12.02 15:29:00 -
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A lot of what we've been working on just became public. :)
http://dust514.com/news/2014/12/uprising-1.10-overview-patch-notes/
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2282
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Posted - 2014.12.02 16:08:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Do you even know what the word "Impeach" means? Why yes, yes I do. @Arkena Agree, disagree, this has nothing to do with my question. I simply want to know if there is a defined protocol for accusing a CPM of gross misconduct and taking action against them. Being impeached does not equal removing from office. Being impeached is essentially an official indictment. Basically, it's a not a punishment. You still have to be convicted to be removed from office. The conviction, not the impeachment, is the punishment. So no, I also don't think you know what this word means.
Regardless of previous misconceptions (which seems to be more widespread than you'd first realize), I do now and did at the time of my quoted post know what the word impeach means.
Since we have no forum trial system available to us (at least that I am aware of), should I assume that self-evident behavior proves enough for a conviction on its own? Will CCP be enforcing a removal from office or will the offending CPM member(s) simply step down of their own accord?
Dust514/Legion should be a(n):
[_] Arcade Lobby Shooter
[X] Sci-fi Military Sim
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Moorian Flav
277
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:25:00 -
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Quote:Since we have no forum trial system available to us (at least that I am aware of), should I assume that self-evident behavior proves enough for a conviction on its own?
We've had CPM forum trolls in the past but that never prompted a removal that I know of. If you do not like how a CPM is behaving on the forums, report them or send in a ticket referencing their trolling posts. If CCP gets enough reports/complaints, they'll likely will do something about it. If your feelings alone are hurt though (where likely no one else cares), you're pretty much SOL.
I don't troll; I tell the truth.
I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2689
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Posted - 2014.12.03 03:06:00 -
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The Conspiracy is alive, again!!
Dust Loyalist
Greedy Bastards
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.12.03 03:12:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
But everyone knows that I am Nova Knife's Alt who just happens to be Kane's alt.
as a cpm you shouldnt be useing alts to **** post or hide.
This post confirms so many things I have thought you to be.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.12.03 03:15:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:We've had CPM forum trolls in the past but that never prompted a removal that I know of. If you do not like how a CPM is behaving on the forums, report them or send in a ticket referencing their trolling posts. If CCP gets enough reports/complaints, they'll likely will do something about it. If your feelings alone are hurt though (where likely no one else cares), you're pretty much SOL.
CPM can indeed get banned and crud. The report button is indeed the proper way to handle pet peeves of excessive trolling.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.12.03 03:18:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:We've had CPM forum trolls in the past but that never prompted a removal that I know of. If you do not like how a CPM is behaving on the forums, report them or send in a ticket referencing their trolling posts. If CCP gets enough reports/complaints, they'll likely will do something about it. If your feelings alone are hurt though (where likely no one else cares), you're pretty much SOL. CPM can indeed get banned and crud. The report button is indeed the proper way to handle pet peeves of excessive trolling.
I am going to be watching all of you CPM and test this theory. No one shall hide from my justice.
I am the greatest gamer of all time.
Like if you agree.
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.12.03 03:18:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:We've had CPM forum trolls in the past but that never prompted a removal that I know of. If you do not like how a CPM is behaving on the forums, report them or send in a ticket referencing their trolling posts. If CCP gets enough reports/complaints, they'll likely will do something about it. If your feelings alone are hurt though (where likely no one else cares), you're pretty much SOL. CPM can indeed get banned and crud. The report button is indeed the proper way to handle pet peeves of excessive trolling.
I am going to be watching all of you CPM and test this theory. No one shall hide from my justice.
I am the greatest gamer of all time.
Like if you agree.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.12.03 03:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Id rather do away with the whole thing, its a sham at best and a hindrance at worst. They offer nothing of tangible value and do little but distract the tiny dev team. DUST is nothing to EVE and cannot reasonably justify a player council "elected" by an incredibly tiny pool of mostly uninformed and ignorant voters
Bad idea is bad
That's what I've been saying and what CPM1 has been showing but I doubt that's changing. The whole reason they did that **** was for some corporate wagging so they could appear as though they weren't completely inept and when **** hit the fan at fanfest pardon the pun... the dev team said hold on shareholders we will get the community to elect a group and they will show us the error of our ways!! Because gamer sperg lords and reasonable discussion is inherent... |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.03 05:31:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:Quote:Since we have no forum trial system available to us (at least that I am aware of), should I assume that self-evident behavior proves enough for a conviction on its own? We've had CPM forum trolls in the past but that never prompted a removal that I know of. If you do not like how a CPM is behaving on the forums, report them or send in a ticket referencing their trolling posts. If CCP gets enough reports/complaints, they'll likely will do something about it. If your feelings alone are hurt though (where likely no one else cares), you're pretty much SOL.
Or you know...you could contact them and let them know you don't appreciate it without dev intervention.
You can constructively criticize my posting as often as you please, I pay attention when it follows the rules of CPR
Constructively
Privately
Respectfully
People make mistakes and get frustrated and you might be on the receiving end unfavorably.
A nudge to be better is often all that's needed. 
Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Strive. No mattter what
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Jack 3enimble
Titans of Phoenix
502
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Posted - 2014.12.03 05:40:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Is this possible, if so, how? about 16 of them have been MIA / AWOL for as long as they have been a CPM. they need removing from power cause it was just nothing mroe then +ego and +epeen to them 16? /me looks around I never knew we had that many elected in the history of the council combined!!! some one posted the full list there was like 20 and all i see if you, cross, xorya and i think one more person.. thats it.. the 4 of you is all i ever see THIS list http://dust514.com/community/cpm/candidates/and all iv ever seen was iron wolf sabre, sorya, judge and cross out of the 20 total CPM people.. so yeah Rattatti is only accounting for the workload of 4 CPM who probably work 3x harder then a single person.
Bro,
I think it's better that you STFU, you're clowning yourself here... |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2282
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Posted - 2014.12.03 05:45:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:Quote:Since we have no forum trial system available to us (at least that I am aware of), should I assume that self-evident behavior proves enough for a conviction on its own? We've had CPM forum trolls in the past but that never prompted a removal that I know of. If you do not like how a CPM is behaving on the forums, report them or send in a ticket referencing their trolling posts. If CCP gets enough reports/complaints, they'll likely will do something about it. If your feelings alone are hurt though (where likely no one else cares), you're pretty much SOL. Or you know...you could contact them and let them know you don't appreciate it without dev intervention. You can constructively criticize my posting as often as you please, I pay attention when it follows the rules of CPR Constructively Privately Respectfully People make mistakes and get frustrated and you might be on the receiving end unfavorably. A nudge to be better is often all that's needed.
While this may be true, I still am of the opinion that some form of community initiated removal process should be in place. If not for the current CPM, what if CPM9 does something truly egregious in the eyes of the community at large?
There should be a formal way of voting "No Confidence" just as there is a formal process for voting in the first place.
Dust514/Legion should be a(n):
[_] Arcade Lobby Shooter
[X] Sci-fi Military Sim
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thehellisgoingon
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
23
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Posted - 2014.12.03 06:05:00 -
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if we can Vote them in we should be able to vote them out.
Muhahahahaha |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.12.03 06:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:most of the CPM are MIA Judge Rhadamanthus - MIA because he can't achieve a 50 K/D anymore
This made me chuckle. Wait, are you halfway serious? My discerning skills has not let me down yet.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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