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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2191	Posted - 2014.11.29 13:32:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I do my best to answer what I can though. Thread reference for this spat is https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182544 so what happened to informing us or askign for feedback related to the recent sudden change to the animation speeds related to Remote explosives huh? answer that oh mighty CPM upon your ivory tower #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.29 13:44:00 - [32] - Quote Imp you can only baby talk fools so long before you must come to rational ends. Many of the continued issues with this game have come from giving validity to poor ideas e.g. simplistic ideas rise above complex ideas do to the communities ability to understand. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.29 13:44:00 - [33] - Quote Imp you can only baby talk fools so long before you must come to rational ends. Many of the continued issues with this game have come from giving validity to poor ideas e.g. simplistic ideas rise above complex ideas do to the communities ability to understand. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2014.11.29 14:11:00 - [34] - Quote 1. In reality the CPM of both 0 and 1 have found to be lacking for everyone except pilots where they just outright fail and seem to not care 1a. ADS latest nerf where supposedly 'pilot judge' was nowhere to be found except on destiny so Rattati did what he wanted 1b. CPM1 seems to be more biased against vehicles than i have seen in a long time where members just want them outright deleted from the game because of the theory 'i dont like it i want it removed' but it seems to be in line with CCP and Rattati vision since 4 hotfixes 4 nerfs to vehicles and still broken areas of vehicles which have lasted the best part of 3years and still going strong 1c. CPM still has no voice for pilots 2. CPM were voted in by less than 1% of the active playerbase according to the stats from CCP on a devblog, so in reality we can safely say that upto 99% just dont care 3. Can the CPM ever work like in EVE? Well do they even work in EVE? I remember voting in EVE elections for a FW candidate and as usual like in RL when i vote i was let down and dissapointed but it seems that yes it does work to a point and that it took several years to do, but then again this is DUST where 99% dont seem to care at all and i would bet that if an option was on the ballot to scrape the CPM it would get more votes 3a. CSM generally represents all types from NPE to WH and FW/Low sec but DUST it tends to look like this infantry x7 with 5nonfactors and a couple of ppl you may have heard of, doesnt help in CPM 0 most members were quiet and some even disappeared for the best part of a year while others metagamed there position for the new FOTM or ways to exploit the game in there favour and it all finished with 'rouge wedding' - So basically CPM 0 already made CPM 1 job harder 4. I dont think the CPM will ever bounce back, actions speak louder than anything they could ever say or write and the majority just dont trust or even believe in what they say or do Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.29 14:42:00 - [35] - Quote "When a great genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift I dont/didn't agree with judge on a few things, but thought his attempt to educate the community to what they speak about so freely was a great undertaking. He asked for change,has a bright mind, and was articulate so really he didn't stand a chance. lol the CPMs are just as bad if not worse than the community in respect to there motives and understanding. The devs don't care enough to actually develop the game or rock the boat they just go through the motions one pale at a time. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.29 14:42:00 - [36] - Quote "When a great genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift I dont/didn't agree with judge on a few things, but thought his attempt to educate the community to what they speak about so freely was a great undertaking. He asked for change,has a bright mind, and was articulate so really he didn't stand a chance. lol the CPMs are just as bad if not worse than the community in respect to there motives and understanding. The devs don't care enough to actually develop the game or rock the boat they just go through the motions one pale at a time. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
Haerr Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2075	Posted - 2014.11.29 15:23:00 - [37] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: What they do is deepthroat CCP shaft and circle jerk each other afterwards. And here I was thinking that the CPM were supposed to provide CCP with player input..? fighter jets
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 200	Posted - 2014.11.29 15:45:00 - [38] - Quote Haerr wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: What they do is deepthroat CCP shaft and circle jerk each other afterwards. And here I was thinking that the CPM were supposed to provide CCP with player input..? If you want your input heard make a thread in Council Chambers and talk to CPM directly. The current CPM is much stronger then most of you seem to think - maybe if they had a poster who could neck-beard with you guys all day you'd feel more comfterable with what they're doing. But your voices are more heard now then ever - between Soraya, Cross, and IWS you can expect great things to come.
Haerr Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2080	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:36:00 - [39] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: Haerr wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: What they do is deepthroat CCP shaft and circle jerk each other afterwards. And here I was thinking that the CPM were supposed to provide CCP with player input..? If you want your input heard make a thread in Council Chambers and talk to CPM directly. The current CPM is much stronger then most of you seem to think - maybe if they had a poster who could neck-beard with you guys all day you'd feel more comfterable with what they're doing. But your voices are more heard now then ever - between Soraya, Cross, and IWS you can expect great things to come. Hmm my player "input" joke was ruined by not putting "" around input... guess I'll have to super cereal post. But yeah well aware that CPM1 is making a difference. And hey between them they pretty much sort through every thread / post. If there is anything decent enough I am sure they'll get around to it if / when it fits within the present time constraints. Besides if there is anyone willing to go through the trouble of neckbearding it, the suggestion is to get involved with the whole Skype thing... fighter jets
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4869	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:50:00 - [40] - Quote Indeed, if you want to be chatting with us day in and day out on a level where you'll wonder if you'll ever speak to your family members as much as you speak to us, get on Skype. ;) We do sort through a lot of threads, but sometimes we end up reading a lot of this: CommanderBolt wrote: What they do is deepthroat CCP shaft and circle jerk each other afterwards. Very constructive feedback, of course. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 964	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:39:00 - [41] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: It's about posting rhetoric. Some people are calm, fair, rational, and have less bias. Others are emotional, dismissive, and are very biased. Experts are people that have knowledge of a subject and, while they have a side, give fair credit and consideration to any disagreeing opinion that has worth. Shiii... In that case I don't get enough credit for my posts o.O Quafe Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 964	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:44:00 - [42] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Many of the continued issues with this game have come from giving validity to poor ideas e.g. simplistic ideas rise above complex ideas do to the communities ability to understand. I agree with this. Many good ideas get rekt because people don't understand it, or don't agree with one piece of it and deem the whole thing a hot pile of you know what. I would love to see (more) actual constructive posts in the near future. Quafe Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5210	Posted - 2014.11.29 23:20:00 - [43] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Lol many of the CPMs are stupid, and I mean drooling on themselves stupid. This game hardly has a community the drop off rate is insane and those with the ability to change it will just tighten there grasp till there is no one left. It is funny how even the virtual world is subject to the lessons of history. I would like to point out once again that to date Blueprint For Murder and I have yet to agree on anything. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5210	Posted - 2014.11.29 23:25:00 - [44] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: One Eyed King wrote: CPM 1 is doing a heck of a lot better than CPM 0 in my opinion. Yes, but the new DUST Dev team get some of the credit for that. It is easier to be a good CPM if CCP listens to you. I agree, but my comment was intended less about the improving quality of Dust and more as a noticeable improvement of community interaction with the new CPM for the most part. They seem more engaged with the community across a broader scope of issues, or at least make their community involvement more obvious. I will give you that. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17872	Posted - 2014.11.29 23:27:00 - [45] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Imp Smash wrote: It's about posting rhetoric. Some people are calm, fair, rational, and have less bias. Others are emotional, dismissive, and are very biased. Experts are people that have knowledge of a subject and, while they have a side, give fair credit and consideration to any disagreeing opinion that has worth. Shiii... In that case I don't get enough credit for my posts o.O Well I am more than willing to forgive and forget; I have short term memory after all when it comes to people. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5210	Posted - 2014.11.29 23:27:00 - [46] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Jade Dragonis wrote: Guys don't bother complaining to the CPM anymore. Apparently their job is to talk to CCP not us. So we know that our representatives are working well for us. the CPM is just a boost to Ego and EPEEN.. they do mostly nothing for us and most of the CPM abandoned dust for other games after they attained CPM status You don't get on the other subforums much do you? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2793	Posted - 2014.11.29 23:28:00 - [47] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I do my best to answer what I can though. Thread reference for this spat is https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182544 lulz "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5210	Posted - 2014.11.29 23:33:00 - [48] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Imp you can only baby talk fools so long before you must come to rational ends. Many of the continued issues with this game have come from giving validity to poor ideas e.g. simplistic ideas rise above complex ideas do to the communities ability to understand. I just realised that you have left my Corp, so I can finally just come out and say you are an Idiot! I have been holding it in so long. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2014.11.30 23:31:00 - [49] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Imp you can only baby talk fools so long before you must come to rational ends. Many of the continued issues with this game have come from giving validity to poor ideas e.g. simplistic ideas rise above complex ideas do to the communities ability to understand. I can't agree with that good sir. It's something that must certainly be considered in most aspects of existence -- but I would say that is ONE problem the Dust community doesn't have. The nature of this game is complex. You learn to like spreadsheets. I am very right brained -- my professions are (winter) English teacher and (summer) Surfer. Two very non analytical things. I have learned to like spreadsheets! Actually stupid people, those who are incapable of understanding, quite simply don't play this game. The type of person who comes and stays around is not stupid. I have seen some horribad posts on these forums -- but I still would say the majority of people who post those aren't stupid; just emotional, egotistical, or cynical. For whatever reason the folks in this game may post things that are not thought out all the way through, due to ego or rage or lack of context, they are certainly all capable of understanding a complex idea even if they( and in fact myself as well I miss stuff too and need a friendly summation in a different manner -- so really WE) don't get it right off the bat every time or agree with you every time. So, no I don't believe that simple ideas rise to the top. I think simple ideas are more implementable. There are so many limits on CCP. Money, Time, Staff, Permissions, inherent coding, hardware for the chosen platform-- it is a HUGE list. So I feel more like it is the simple ideas that can be implemented reasonably. That's the long and short of it really. Don't underestimate the community.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17892	Posted - 2014.11.30 23:32:00 - [50] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: What they do is deepthroat CCP ***** and circle jerk each other afterwards. and the reward is CPM get to protect their FOTM and know what the next FOTM is gonna be before we do. and we wernt even informed or asked for feedback related to the recent ninja nerf to animation speeds relating to throwing grenades while holding RE or how painfully slow it is to switch FROM RE to a light/sidearm I am fairly sure the animation change to Remote Explosives was unintended. More like a desired side effect if anything. RE changes to their timers seemed to have changed nothing in the past; the forced cloak fix; fixed the REs as well. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 412	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:12:00 - [51] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Imp you can only baby talk fools so long before you must come to rational ends. Many of the continued issues with this game have come from giving validity to poor ideas e.g. simplistic ideas rise above complex ideas do to the communities ability to understand. I just realised that you have left my Corp, so I can finally just come out and say you are an Idiot! I have been holding it in so long. Lol the feeling is mutual kid. Paraphrasing "If not for scouts what are shotguns for" ... sigh 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
Immortal John Ripper 26082	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:15:00 - [52] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Imp you can only baby talk fools so long before you must come to rational ends. Many of the continued issues with this game have come from giving validity to poor ideas e.g. simplistic ideas rise above complex ideas do to the communities ability to understand. I just realised that you have left my Corp, so I can finally just come out and say you are an Idiot! I have been holding it in so long. Lol the feeling is mutual kid. eats taco I'm strong to the finich Cause I eats me spinach. I'm GJR the Forum God. TOOT! TOOT!


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