Why not share this proposal with the community rather then just your friends?

It's fundamentally impossible for Zatara not to have advance notice over other PC players on PC changes of any sort because :NDA:. The CPM's proposal is not, anyways, necessarily "the future", just our suggestions for one. There's good reasons we decided not to publicize it. But it's not "this change" as it is not a development on behalf of CCP.

I do not feel that foreknowledge of any upcoming changes in this regard, should they occur, will allow Zatara an advantage over other players, as I am ruthless at insisting any such plans be designed in such a way that Zatara's donut maintaining dominance be much much harder. And any such new changes be relatively difficult to exploit for easy profit with low effort.

Furthermore, should any such changes come down the pipeline on CCP's end, we'd encourage CCP to get the details in public as soon as humanly possible so that everyone can figure out how to break the changes so those holes can be fixed and everyone can plan well ahead of actual implementation.

Zatara's suggestion is not covered by the NDA until someone at CCP actually says "Yes".

CPM members have hundreds of ideas that they share with their friends or on the forums which never get into the game.

I am saying that once Rattati says "Yes" that Zatara is no longer allowed to talk to his Corp about it. To extend that statement, it means he is not allowed to tell his Corp about tweaks that are made to the suggestion after Rattati says "Yes" to the idea. So by the time the rest of the CPM and CCP are done with it, what actually gets into the game might look very different than the idea that Zatara talked to his Corp members about.

Things Zatara is talking about may or may not head to the game, depending what suggestions or proposals CCP likes and finds feasible and worthwhile to implement, or what ideas they may have and prefer of their own.

It is important for CPM to gather feedback from members of the community, and I think that is what Zatara is doing or should be doing, having not been personally present at any such conversation. It is reasonable to think one would get feedback on how to fix PC from PC players. As a whole, I don't think "the CPM proposal" should be shared, but I would not be surprised if elements were discussed with players in the line of collecting feedback.

I also think the community needs more than a week of notice on any sort of change to PC, because feedback, and time to implement that feedback, should be considered a requirement.

No CPM abuse.

Just more :tinfoiling: from people.

Glad it's been put to bed.

=)

And if someone else on the CPM wants to write a post explaining the details of the proposal I say go for it.

I've volunteered to do it on comms. And the offer stands.

But I don't have the attention span to write a few Arkena worthy posts.

Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore.

Uh huh. alright there bud.

^--- still refuses to discuss the PC changes in war room fyi

Yup, he's just looking to get community 'input' lol

It's true. I am Kane 2.0 people. bend the knee to my awesome powuhhhhhhh.

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Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible?

I never said he did. That's the whole joke..it just went over your head again.

You just called yourself Kain 2.0 over my comments.

Do you even know what context means? Stop posting, this thread is over with, I don't need more example of why you're a retard.

Precisely...Kane 2.0.

The dude everyone tried to say was abusing the CPM...when he never was.

SMDH

I think this chat has probably descended to War Room territory. ;) If you two want to keep flirting with each other, take it over there.

As a member of FA, confirming we have been told all about all the secrets ever and are planning our 100% MH domination abusing elite CPM hax and info so we can farm the [REDACTED] that is coming.


This tinfoiling really gets old.

The Dreaded NDA Kills everything good.

Hi, I can honestly say i never really enjoyed PC as much as the old school corp battles. Been playing DUST for a long time and stayed on top of the meta and in competitive play since PCs conception and until about 3 months ago.

I like the game and i really want it to succeed but as of late im getting tired of the bullsh!t....RE RE RE, fuking shotgun in my back, HMG HMG, RE, shotgun to my face, high ground uber mando RR in my back and Min mando MD rain + autolockfireandforget SWARMSSSSS.... yay PC.

Where are the old school chrome fire fights? Even in pubs more and more "PC meta" is trickling down. I cant call this kind of gameplay fun. :/ Its not satisfying at all. I am tired of watching the game I love be turned into utter sh!t.

Would be nice to see more talk for changes that radically shake up the meta. Solutions proposed:

1. The new EWAR changes need to allow for medium frames to compete on the E front. Shatter scout absolute superiority by increasing base scan range of medium frames from 10 to 20. (30m with range skill at 5). Make it so assault precision can pick up any scout within its short scan range no matter how damped the scout is (30*.25=7.5m). I can foresee massive Q.Q but allow me to explain. 7.5m is not a lot of range. To a scout traveling at 8m/s or faster that distance is a cakewalk. Coupled with the existing HUD passive delay it shouldn't be OP. Range amps would allow the assault to extend its short range, therefore giving it more time to react. Profile dampeners would allow scouts to close the distance in medium range until reaching close range of the assault. Precision enhancers in turn allow assaults to pick up undampened scouts in their medium range & long range therefore increasing situational awareness. Also, shared passive scans are removed. Doing so would give assaults a chance to react to "assasinations" but would leave heavies vulnerable. EWAR assaults in turn become less combat effective via loss of possible HP, regen, firepower, etc.

TL;TR
- shared passive scans removed
- medium frames detect everything in passive short range
- scouts use damps to avoid detection in long and medium ranges
- assaults use range amps to allow for better reaction time in short range passives
- assaults use precision enhancers to pick up undampened scouts in medium and long ranges
- assault base range increased from 10m to 20m. (30m with skill 5)
(all exact numbers can be worked on and tweaked, I am simply presenting a few principles)

2. RE's need to be placed down. The whole Frisbee explosive waffle is the only real counter to heavy but its not really fun gameplay. From now on make RE's be set down, or greatly reduce the range they can be thrown.

3. The HMG needs a nerf. Dial back its damage by 10% - 15% and re introduce the turning speed penalty. Not to the point where it was back in 1.2, but make it so quick moving infantry in really close range can outpace the heavy while firing. Adding plates should further decrease turn speed encouraging heavies to not stack +1400hp (+ small arms resistances).

4. Remove commandos equipment slot. Two Comandos can control high-ground until a OB becomes available. One carries ammo, one carries links. They both carry swarms and sh!t on DS/ADS. Removing eq slot makes them effective for a limited time unless a logi comes along :D ... yay teamwork. (cant wait for the new OBs! If new OBs prove viable, forget the commando change)

Final vision: heavy>assault>scout>heavy. Logi support, & mando rooftop AV & firepower.

Cheers o7

You used your PC position as your platform - so try not forget that as you use your CPM status to discuss things with only your alliance and not the rest of us.

Still heresay..I've shared **** tons of daydreaming and ideas to numerous people outside of alliance.

Don't drink the kool-aid. Toss the tin-foil. It's been on the outs since FF.

I do not feel that foreknowledge of any upcoming changes in this regard, should they occur, will allow Zatara an advantage over other players, as I am ruthless at insisting any such plans be designed in such a way that Zatara's donut maintaining dominance be much much harder. And any such new changes be relatively difficult to exploit for easy profit with low effort.