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Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 134	Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:00 - [1] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Ace Boone wrote: What did you create again? I must've forgot A PC proposal! With the help of my lovely broseph's in the CPM. No passive isk...but a whole lot of funsies! Why not share this proposal with the community rather then just your friends? Anyone on CPM care to tell the rest of us what this change is? Otherwise, it's plain abuse on Zatara's part to withhold information that should be shared so that his alliance will have an edge. A link explaining this change would be appreciated, as there's no way Zatara would abuse CPM, right?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4815	Posted - 2014.11.25 18:54:00 - [2] - Quote It's fundamentally impossible for Zatara not to have advance notice over other PC players on PC changes of any sort because :NDA:. The CPM's proposal is not, anyways, necessarily "the future", just our suggestions for one. There's good reasons we decided not to publicize it. But it's not "this change" as it is not a development on behalf of CCP. I do not feel that foreknowledge of any upcoming changes in this regard, should they occur, will allow Zatara an advantage over other players, as I am ruthless at insisting any such plans be designed in such a way that Zatara's donut maintaining dominance be much much harder. And any such new changes be relatively difficult to exploit for easy profit with low effort. Furthermore, should any such changes come down the pipeline on CCP's end, we'd encourage CCP to get the details in public as soon as humanly possible so that everyone can figure out how to break the changes so those holes can be fixed and everyone can plan well ahead of actual implementation. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 138	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:00:00 - [3] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: It's fundamentally impossible for Zatara not to have advance notice over other PC players on PC changes of any sort because :NDA:. The CPM's proposal is not, anyways, necessarily "the future", just our suggestions for one. There's good reasons we decided not to publicize it. But it's not "this change" as it is not a development on behalf of CCP. I do not feel that foreknowledge of any upcoming changes in this regard, should they occur, will allow Zatara an advantage over other players, as I am ruthless at insisting any such plans be designed in such a way that Zatara's donut maintaining dominance be much much harder. And any such new changes be relatively difficult to exploit for easy profit with low effort. Furthermore, should any such changes come down the pipeline on CCP's end, we'd encourage CCP to get the details in public as soon as humanly possible so that everyone can figure out how to break the changes so those holes can be fixed and everyone can plan well ahead of actual implementation. Thank for this reply, it's good to know CPM considers the PC players situation in regards to CPM knowledge. But there's one thing that still bothers me - You're relying on CCP to pass the information around while Zatara is doing it himself for his alliance with first hand knowledge - there's no telling when the rest of us will be made aware of this knowledge. Wether or not that actually holds relevance depends on the content change, though. But that sort of practice should be highly frowned upon by you CPM and you should consider talking to him about withholding information like to no one but his own alliance. He could of just made a post himself explaining it - instead he shared it with only his own alliance, and since there's no other PC CPM - his group would be the only one with the advanced warning.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5106	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:08:00 - [4] - Quote Zatara's suggestion is not covered by the NDA until someone at CCP actually says "Yes". CPM members have hundreds of ideas that they share with their friends or on the forums which never get into the game. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 144	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:12:00 - [5] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Zatara's suggestion is not covered by the NDA until someone at CCP actually says "Yes". CPM members have hundreds of ideas that they share with their friends or on the forums which never get into the game. Then am I to understand the changes Zatara are talking about are not ones headed to the game - but are just ones he want? Because, if you check the thread the post is from in the war room - it sounds more like the changes ARE coming and he's letting his alliance know before CCP goes public with it. So instead of the week heads up the rest of us gets - he gets several weeks, so he can make deals and plans with groups unaware of the change until the last week It's a terrible practice.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5106	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:26:00 - [6] - Quote I am saying that once Rattati says "Yes" that Zatara is no longer allowed to talk to his Corp about it. To extend that statement, it means he is not allowed to tell his Corp about tweaks that are made to the suggestion after Rattati says "Yes" to the idea. So by the time the rest of the CPM and CCP are done with it, what actually gets into the game might look very different than the idea that Zatara talked to his Corp members about. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 145	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:34:00 - [7] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I am saying that once Rattati says "Yes" that Zatara is no longer allowed to talk to his Corp about it. To extend that statement, it means he is not allowed to tell his Corp about tweaks that are made to the suggestion after Rattati says "Yes" to the idea. So by the time the rest of the CPM and CCP are done with it, what actually gets into the game might look very different than the idea that Zatara talked to his Corp members about. Thank you, Zatara is unable to articulate this to us in War Room so a lot of us were concerned.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4815	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:37:00 - [8] - Quote Things Zatara is talking about may or may not head to the game, depending what suggestions or proposals CCP likes and finds feasible and worthwhile to implement, or what ideas they may have and prefer of their own. It is important for CPM to gather feedback from members of the community, and I think that is what Zatara is doing or should be doing, having not been personally present at any such conversation. It is reasonable to think one would get feedback on how to fix PC from PC players. As a whole, I don't think "the CPM proposal" should be shared, but I would not be surprised if elements were discussed with players in the line of collecting feedback. I also think the community needs more than a week of notice on any sort of change to PC, because feedback, and time to implement that feedback, should be considered a requirement. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 145	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:39:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Things Zatara is talking about may or may not head to the game, depending what suggestions or proposals CCP likes and finds feasible and worthwhile to implement, or what ideas they may have and prefer of their own. It is important for CPM to gather feedback from members of the community, and I think that is what Zatara is doing or should be doing, having not been personally present at any such conversation. It is reasonable to think one would get feedback on how to fix PC from PC players. As a whole, I don't think "the CPM proposal" should be shared, but I would not be surprised if elements were discussed with players in the line of collecting feedback. I also think the community needs more than a week of notice on any sort of change to PC, because feedback, and time to implement that feedback, should be considered a requirement. Refusing to share PC change information with War Room is anything but trying to gather community input - that is information sharing and nothing but.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4888	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:40:00 - [10] - Quote No CPM abuse. Just more :tinfoiling: from people. Glad it's been put to bed. =) And if someone else on the CPM wants to write a post explaining the details of the proposal I say go for it. I've volunteered to do it on comms. And the offer stands. But I don't have the attention span to write a few Arkena worthy posts. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what

Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 145	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:42:00 - [11] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: No CPM abuse. Just more :tinfoiling: from people. Glad it's been put to bed. =) And if someone else on the CPM wants to write a post explaining the details of the proposal I say go for it. I've volunteered to do it on comms. And the offer stands. But I don't have the attention span to write a few Arkena worthy posts. Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4889	Posted - 2014.11.25 20:25:00 - [12] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore. Uh huh. alright there bud. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 147	Posted - 2014.11.25 20:27:00 - [13] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore. Uh huh. alright there bud. ^--- still refuses to discuss the PC changes in war room fyi Yup, he's just looking to get community 'input' lol
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4890	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:53:00 - [14] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore. Uh huh. alright there bud. ^--- still refuses to discuss the PC changes in war room fyi Yup, he's just looking to get community 'input' lol It's true. I am Kane 2.0 people. bend the knee to my awesome powuhhhhhhh. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4890	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:55:00 - [15] - Quote Also...no matter what changes are implemented in PC...my alliance will have an edge regardless. Not because one of Tso's resident CPM re's leaked NDA material...but because we so baws sauce. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 148	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:55:00 - [16] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore. Uh huh. alright there bud. ^--- still refuses to discuss the PC changes in war room fyi Yup, he's just looking to get community 'input' lol It's true. I am Kane 2.0 people. bend the knee to my awesome powuhhhhhhh. ... Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible?
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4890	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:59:00 - [17] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: ... Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible? I never said he did. That's the whole joke..it just went over your head again. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 148	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:01:00 - [18] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: ... Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible? I never said he did. That's the whole joke..it just went over your head again. You just called yourself Kain 2.0 over my comments. Do you even know what context means? Stop posting, this thread is over with, I don't need more example of why you're a retard.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4890	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:11:00 - [19] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: ... Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible? I never said he did. That's the whole joke..it just went over your head again. You just called yourself Kain 2.0 over my comments. Do you even know what context means? Stop posting, this thread is over with, I don't need more example of why you're a retard. Precisely...Kane 2.0. The dude everyone tried to say was abusing the CPM...when he never was. SMDH Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 148	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:14:00 - [20] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: ... Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible? I never said he did. That's the whole joke..it just went over your head again. You just called yourself Kain 2.0 over my comments. Do you even know what context means? Stop posting, this thread is over with, I don't need more example of why you're a retard. Precisely...Kane 2.0. The dude everyone tried to say was abusing the CPM...when he never was. SMDH He would of made an open discussion over the topic and not just relayed w/e he could to his alliance. Do not compare yourself to him.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4819	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:26:00 - [21] - Quote I think this chat has probably descended to War Room territory. ;) If you two want to keep flirting with each other, take it over there. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 150	Posted - 2014.11.25 23:13:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I think this chat has probably descended to War Room territory. ;) If you two want to keep flirting with each other, take it over there. Will do o7 Keep up the great work CPM - you guys are making me eat my words I said months ago.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19407	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:13:00 - [23] - Quote As a member of FA, confirming we have been told all about all the secrets ever and are planning our 100% MH domination abusing elite CPM hax and info so we can farm the [REDACTED] that is coming. This tinfoiling really gets old. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 157	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:17:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: As a member of FA, confirming we have been told all about all the secrets ever and are planning our 100% MH domination abusing elite CPM hax and info so we can farm the [REDACTED] that is coming. This tinfoiling really gets old. Bumping threads that moved on is even older. Leave this dead you damn troll.
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 446	Posted - 2014.11.27 00:09:00 - [25] - Quote Zatara told me we would be getting pterodactyls. May we never forget his sacrifice
Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 792	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:55:00 - [26] - Quote Kane did this to some effect, I believe personally he exercised power in anticipation of upcoming PC changes. Near the end of his tenure he said 'I can not wait until they remove passive ISK for your corps' before such announcement had been made. No doubt CPM members if involved in PC will try to make things fair and have the larger community in mind, but the kind of foresight involved in the process is invaluable and allows people like that to plan for the future. Don't think about that, think about all the money.
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 754	Posted - 2014.11.29 01:54:00 - [27] - Quote This is so cute... Keep up the trolling Zatara Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II 0uter.Heaven 133	Posted - 2014.11.29 12:10:00 - [28] - Quote Hi, I can honestly say i never really enjoyed PC as much as the old school corp battles. Been playing DUST for a long time and stayed on top of the meta and in competitive play since PCs conception and until about 3 months ago. I like the game and i really want it to succeed but as of late im getting tired of the bullsh!t....RE RE RE, fuking shotgun in my back, HMG HMG, RE, shotgun to my face, high ground uber mando RR in my back and Min mando MD rain + autolockfireandforget SWARMSSSSS.... yay PC. Where are the old school chrome fire fights? Even in pubs more and more "PC meta" is trickling down. I cant call this kind of gameplay fun. :/ Its not satisfying at all. I am tired of watching the game I love be turned into utter sh!t. Would be nice to see more talk for changes that radically shake up the meta. Solutions proposed: 1. The new EWAR changes need to allow for medium frames to compete on the E front. Shatter scout absolute superiority by increasing base scan range of medium frames from 10 to 20. (30m with range skill at 5). Make it so assault precision can pick up any scout within its short scan range no matter how damped the scout is (30*.25=7.5m). I can foresee massive Q.Q but allow me to explain. 7.5m is not a lot of range. To a scout traveling at 8m/s or faster that distance is a cakewalk. Coupled with the existing HUD passive delay it shouldn't be OP. Range amps would allow the assault to extend its short range, therefore giving it more time to react. Profile dampeners would allow scouts to close the distance in medium range until reaching close range of the assault. Precision enhancers in turn allow assaults to pick up undampened scouts in their medium range & long range therefore increasing situational awareness. Also, shared passive scans are removed. Doing so would give assaults a chance to react to "assasinations" but would leave heavies vulnerable. EWAR assaults in turn become less combat effective via loss of possible HP, regen, firepower, etc. TL;TR - shared passive scans removed - medium frames detect everything in passive short range - scouts use damps to avoid detection in long and medium ranges - assaults use range amps to allow for better reaction time in short range passives - assaults use precision enhancers to pick up undampened scouts in medium and long ranges - assault base range increased from 10m to 20m. (30m with skill 5) (all exact numbers can be worked on and tweaked, I am simply presenting a few principles) 2. RE's need to be placed down. The whole Frisbee explosive waffle is the only real counter to heavy but its not really fun gameplay. From now on make RE's be set down, or greatly reduce the range they can be thrown. 3. The HMG needs a nerf. Dial back its damage by 10% - 15% and re introduce the turning speed penalty. Not to the point where it was back in 1.2, but make it so quick moving infantry in really close range can outpace the heavy while firing. Adding plates should further decrease turn speed encouraging heavies to not stack +1400hp (+ small arms resistances). 4. Remove commandos equipment slot. Two Comandos can control high-ground until a OB becomes available. One carries ammo, one carries links. They both carry swarms and sh!t on DS/ADS. Removing eq slot makes them effective for a limited time unless a logi comes along :D ... yay teamwork. (cant wait for the new OBs! If new OBs prove viable, forget the commando change) Final vision: heavy>assault>scout>heavy. Logi support, & mando rooftop AV & firepower. Cheers o7
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 200	Posted - 2014.11.29 15:51:00 - [29] - Quote If I hear one more time that you are exchanging information with only your alliance to get input instead of the Dust community I will make bat ** noise the likes this forums has never seen - that input is for us all to share and discuss - not just you and your *** friends. You're the only CPM with a PC background and you're handling this way? and this is a threat, Zatara, I will burn you if you do this again. It's shady and underhanded as ** and I will scream CPM abuse till I am blue in the face if you continue. Especially because it's content you want to convince CCP to add to the game.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2170	Posted - 2014.12.01 06:00:00 - [30] - Quote He couldn't tell you anyway. The Dreaded NDA Kills everything good. I Live for Tears



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