Everyone hates shotgun scouts, the only way to do that is to make em wield sidearms. Plus a scout with a light weapon, as we have all seen, is like fighting a god.

Because it is lazier than balancing a legitimate play style, not to mention many others (Scout Sniper), just because you don't want to analyze the real problems and creatively find real solutions?

If ANYTHING, the only thing scouts need is a shield/armor mod cap.

How about we perma-ban everyone who complains about scouts? That's certainly fix the problem, since scouts aren't actually broken.

Try looking up the term "glass cannon". That's what scouts are, and it is incredibly balanced.

If ANYTHING, the only thing scouts need is a shield/armor mod cap.

Really? You think that an invisible, fast, unscannable scout with a basic shotgun that can drop a proto heavy before the heavy can react isnt broken?

Then What do you suggest? I really do want to know everyones ideas. We need to fix scouts

Efficacy Bonuses, coming soon. Should do the trick.

You basing this on the annoyance caused mainly by shotgun-wielding scouts. Taking away the scout's ability to carry a light weapon is not the way to go as it will punish too many players especially those who are not of the crutch-wielding type like snipers, AR users, etc.

The principle problem with scouts, and I am a dedicated scout player since closed beta who has never spent a single SP on shotguns to this very day, is that they have too many advantages even without the light weapons. You can take away the light weapon and it still won't solve problem. We have EWAR advantages that no other class has. We can recover our shields to full health just by disengaging for a few seconds and then re-engaging under our own terms and not that of the non-scouts. We can cloak effectively without having to worry about our PG/CPU demands. The Minscout doesn't even need a light weapon to compete. Just slap on a pair of Ishukone Nova Knives start OHK-ing heavies without a problem while wreaking havoc with its amazing speed which is another thing non-scouts don't have. As you can see, taking away light weapons won't solve the problem.

CCP Rattati is already looking into overhauling the EWAR mechanics that will likely impact all classes so that scouts won't dominate too much in that department. Tanky scouts are also likely to suffer with the changes hinted by Rattati such as increased profile signature with extenders and plates. Strafe speeds are also being looked into which is another major advantage scouts have over other suits.

HP Modules and Strafe Speed
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181612&find=unread
EWAR
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181381&find=unread

If there is ANY compromise that I am willing to make at this point, it would be the following:
Make it so that scouts only have a light slot available. This way, scouts will be forced to make a choice between fitting a light weapon or a sidearm but not have both at once. Want long-range weapon? Sacrifice the short-range weapon and vise versa.

This compromise I'm willing to make is based on my recent experience with the Logistics class which -- for those who are already skilled into it -- doesn't have a sidearm slot. Yes, I'm now cross training into the GalLogi and so far I am doing just fine with it. I'm just forced to make a choice between a light weapon and a sidearm. I'm just not use to having my profile dampening advantage taken away from me. I feel so naked when I'm spotted. I feel sluggish when I sprint now. Cloaking won't help if my profile is always too high. I can't dictate the terms of the engagement as effectively as I use to when I'm in a Logi suit. In fact, this gave me more proof that it's not the light weaponry that's making the scouts too effective. It's everything else.

PS: What I'm saying here is that those who ask for the removal of light weapons from scouts are clearly ignoring every major advantage that scouts have and are just focusing on the one thing scouts don't have any bonuses towards.

Are you trying to kill almost bled MinScout?

Efficacy Bonuses, coming soon. Should do the trick.

Yea, just like all the other changes...

At least this one effects all the classes lol...

To you guys saying it is targeting shotgun scouts, it isn't. What sidearms are meant to do is lower the dps period so that everyone gets a chance to react when a scout attacks them. Which is something that is not addressed in any of the changes and the reason that the changes have been so ineffectual. The problems with scouts are as much psychological as mechanical and will continue to be in either a state of broken/op until both are addressed, because as it is now scouts don't have to fight, so most of the time players don't get to either.

A scout should not be a ohker, it should be a cleaver assassin, where your wits are your assets, not a shotgun nor a cloak.

People just can't accept that their gonna f*cking die sometimes, especially when putting themselves in line of fire.

Holy ****, if you don't wanna get ganked, just be aware of your surroundings. You can hear the decloak sound from a mile away, damn. It's no different from being raped by an HMG, or even a plasma cannon or remote explosive. Sometimes you will die, and it will be quick.

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Btw i dont have my sound volume up high beacause i talk to team mates, so i cant really hear the decloacking sound or re

If you take its light away, then what's the point of having snipers and shotguns. Every other dropsuit has one. There are other ways to tackle scouts. Takeaway one equipment slot and refuse their total hp so they are easier to kill

I agree, and I disagree with the back half of what you said, Lightning.
You are VERY right about taking away weaponry NOT being a great solution.

Just because they are using a Scout Dropsuit, doesn't mean at all that they are Scouts. Your problem-child here (the bug you need to swat, in my opinion) is NOT Scouts.
I am a driver. I don't "scout" anything except a safe place to plop my vehicle's behind when I land. But Dust is about "making your own fitting", and I choose a Scout Suit to fit my driver purpose. I am also frequently armed with a shotgun because I know when I get caught, it is usually going to be in a close-in-my-face gunfight. Bucking him with ole' bossy is nearly my only hope.

Where I disagree is, that there is something wrong with Scouts that has to be tackled.
There is nothing wrong with Scouts that has to be addressed in the area this thread is highlighting.

If you put limits on a Suit (just because it's a "Scout-suit") you hit at everyone whose going about their business in an honest job, (including the one's who are actually Scouts---they seldom use shotguns, from what I'm hearing). And you'll still be missing the true pest,... the Cloaker-Shotty. Many cloak-shotties don't know or care a thing about Scout-suits or Scouting---they only know they want to be inviso and kill random victims from their couch. If they weren't doing in this game, they'd be doing it in "the Stat Trek Romulan XVII game".

If you eliminate the shotgun from their inviso-n-shotty, they'd perfect their inviso-n-NovaKnife.
Your pest-enemy (my pest enemy too), is the abuse of "inviso" that creeps into any game that offers "inviso".

So far Dust was the only game that made a pest-control version of cloak. But, well....ugh.

So lately scouts have been getting on my nerve (mostly shotgun scouts) i decided to see what the big hubabub was, so i skilled into them. I went proto amarr scout and instead of being a noob, i decided to use only sidearms ( with a scp and kn). I also tried using them with a light weapon and saw no real difference in effectiveness.

I suggest that scouts should only be able to wield sidearms, this would put them in a more balanced position right now, and there isnt much trade off.

Feedback and ideas are wanted, as of now scouts are way too over powered. They need to be fixed, this would hopefully lead to a closer balance of the scouts.

No instead just remove the sidearm slot... now if they want a sidearm then can still put it into the light weapon slot. they ahve to choose what they want to do now instead of having it all.

OP sounds like a reasonable request, let's do that.

Don't encourage this idiocy.

It will only lead to more SMG shenanigans.

Certain side arms are op, but the point is to allow scouts to be balanced with a minimal effect to other classes which this easily achieves.