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[Veteran_Community]
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:55:00 -
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Dear DUST 514 Beta Testers
Recently, there has been a spate of instances where individuals participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta have breached their NDA. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that as part of the DUST 514 Closed Beta, accepting and adhering to the NDA is a legally binding requirement that all DUST 514 Closed Beta participants have agreed to.
We understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for DUST 514. After all, it isnGÇÖt every day that one has the opportunity to participate in a ground breaking event that bridges two gaming platforms to create a new MMO genre. However, it is equally important that everyone follow the terms and conditions of the NDA so that we may protect the integrity of the DUST 514 Closed Beta testing phase. If you are not familiar with or do not recall the NDA, hereGÇÖs the link to the on-line location of the NDA.
Going forward, we will continue to enforce the NDA to its fullest measure and any Closed Beta participants found in breach of the NDA will receive a permanent ban on their DUST 514 account(s), without exceptions. We realize and value the time and efforts from all of you participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta to make DUST 514 a great MMO experience to the world and we wish to see all of you continue to contribute in this regard. Thank you.
The DUST 514 Development Team |
[Veteran_Average Tjo]
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:31:00 -
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Although I appreciate lawyer-speak as much as the next guy, you might consider producing a very short, human-readable version.
NON-OFFICIAL DRAFT FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY:
* The first rule of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club. Not even on Twitter.
* Provide feedback. This isn't a free game. The price you pay for entrance is in frequent, honest, detailed feedback.
* DUST514 is provided as-is. CCP want's feedback, but is under no obligation to fix anything that's broken.
* You don't own your account or the data in it. When the Beta is closed, your characters, your ISK, your AUR all go *poof*.
*Wil Wheaton says "Dont be a douche." If you are a douche, CCP can ban you "forever," meaning you won't be able to play the real DUST514 either.
* If DUST514 gives you seizures or burns down your house or causes aliens to enslave humanity, CCP may give you up to $50. Or not.
~ Tjo
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[Veteran_Namhaid]
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Posted - 2012.05.23 02:25:00 -
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Actually, Tjo... our chars DON'T go poof :) at ff, when asked, CCP told us that we get to keep our characters, however it was unlikely that we would get any of the items/isk/sp that we had accrued during our testing time.
..... but, it was ALSO announced that they would "try to give us something to make up for that fact" |
[Veteran_Senkiri Mitsuho]
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Posted - 2012.05.23 02:47:00 -
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Really? Cause I heard: "You will keep your SP, ISK, etc" in that presentation... (yeah, I was there). I'm sure that means they'll do something like a player wipe a week, maybe two, before "open beta" comes around (so that we don't have THAT much of a head start over everyone else), but nonetheless... Some quantifiable amount of our acquired skills, points, monies, etc... will "carry over" to the live version. |
[Veteran_Ogir Ogir]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:04:00 -
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I didn't read it anywhere, so I ask:
Are we allowed to say that we participate in the closed beta and tell about a great experience we had?
While I'm not sure about the first part, the second part, as long as it only contains infos that we have already seen (and we saw so much from the game already) shouldn't be a problem. |
[Veteran_Average Tjo]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:29:00 -
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What staff - even Hilmar - says in a live event and what the lawyers write into the license are two different, and frankly unrelated, things. One is the fantasy realm of PR and the other is real.
CCP has already hinted at character resets during the Beta period, and you'll notice there's very clear language in the Manual for how AUR purchases are re-spawned during these resets (further implying that resets are planned and may, in fact, happen). It's likely that CCP will let us retain our character names, and perhaps some sort of head start on later players, but they haven't put that in writing.
Where's The Mittani when you need him? |
[Veteran_Maran Quinto]
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:12:00 -
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I sure hope they reset everyone before launch.
Would not be very fair if the betatesters got a free head start.
CCP didnt do that in EvE beta, nor should they do it here. |
[Veteran_UltraMind Regenersis]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:28:00 -
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I am fairly certain that it has been stated that any AUR that are wiped will be refunded after each wipe, and this will include spent AUR.
Otherwise it would be a real good scam to get people to buy AUR and then delete all their gear to get them to buy more.....and CCP are not that s****y |
[Veteran_Seth Willym]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:54:00 -
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I lost 2 characters I had when I first started the beta, but was unable to login and play due to scheduling issues for a month and a half. How would I go about finding out if that was caused by suspected breach of the NDA? I've only gone so far as to put a smiley face in response and say "It's awesome". Are those considered breaches? IF not then I guess my characters were wiped during a system wide reset that I was unaware of.
  I have no idea. |
[Veteran_MAGE Warrior]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:40:00 -
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Average Tjo wrote:Although I appreciate lawyer-speak as much as the next guy, you might consider producing a very short, human-readable version.
NON-OFFICIAL DRAFT FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY:
* The first rule of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club. Not even on Twitter.
~ Tjo
Reminds me of the rule for a different beta which i cant speak of, there is no beta!!!!
Rule 1 There is no Beta, and there never has been and never will be. |
[Veteran_Balius Infinity]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 10:18:00 -
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Ogir Ogir wrote:
Are we allowed to say that we participate in the closed beta
That's something I'd like to know as well. I'd think it's safe to say that we're playing; it shows as what you're playing to friends on PSN. |
[Veteran_Darkest Inferno]
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:38:00 -
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i think someone didnt read the nda thingy.... http://www.twitch.tv/quantictak3down/b/322311601 |
[Veteran_IRobbedAGoon Andilikedit]
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:37:00 -
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Will the NDA be lifted when the game goes into open beta on the 29th? |
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GM Nythanos
CorpA Corp
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:44:00 -
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The NDA will still be in effect. |
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Keresh Qui
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:33:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:I sure hope they reset everyone before launch.
Would not be very fair if the betatesters got a free head start.
CCP didnt do that in EvE beta, nor should they do it here.
Well you will probably be disappointed. Check the reply to comment No. 4 on the below link.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/06/26/dust-514-mercenary-pack-out-today-on-psn-grants-beta-access-thursday/#comments |
XRAY Th3 F3ar3D
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:16:00 -
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Standard Beta rules, if they reset the stats, oh well, everybody else doing betas does. This is a Beta, test the game, report glitches, help develope a better off the shelve product and enjoy your time. |
J Marshall
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:33:00 -
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Yes, our plan is to allow your characters from beta to be carried over to the full game. The items and Aurum from the Mercenary Pack will also carry over to the full game.
Yes. your charecter names carry over but they are reset. All aurum and exclusive bundle items are also reset to your account.
No SP or Isk is carried over. |
J Marshall
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:34:00 -
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GM Nythanos wrote:The NDA will still be in effect.
But its going to be open at that point. Everyone with an open code will hop in play and get to talk about it. |
IISoLiDuZ II SNaKe
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:37:00 -
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J Marshall wrote:GM Nythanos wrote:The NDA will still be in effect. But its going to be open at that point. Everyone with an open code will hop in play and get to talk about it.
Its still not really a open beta , you cant just look in the psn store and download it unless you buy the merc pack. |
Wynn80
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Posted - 2012.07.02 05:58:00 -
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With being able to get in to the beta from the Merc pack and PS Home can we please left the NDA, I would love to start hyping up the game to my Eve and PS3 friends.
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Dark Karamel
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:38:00 -
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Is there anywhere we can go to report people? Because I found this footage on youtube. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKAzJwIYeks&lc[/url]
Someone already asked the person to take down the footage, but he doesn't seem to care since he's apart of Machinima. Assumes he's freaking special for being apart of Machinima... I hate when people like this are able to get into betas. |
TEXKO
G I A N T
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:41:00 -
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I found a video this person uploaded beta gameplay on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM3AC4iYgeo&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.03 01:07:00 -
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I'll add this one....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W90iYvYvnVE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The guys psn id is even in the video description, take that id and ban his a$$ CCP
I created a thread about naming and shaming but I guess its not a welcome thread, my bad I guess |
Trej Morion
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.08 07:27:00 -
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I'm kind of curious what is "too much" to say? I've had a game review site that I am in contact with the owner, ask me to give my feedback, as long as it didn't violate the NDA. So, I'm curious....
A. It's neato, get it!
B. The way vehicles work in teams is an awesome implementation
C. The Balancing between the suit types is great and requires a rounded team
D. Taking down the MCC can be hard on some maps
Would I be wrong to go down to B and C options as a level of detail? or am I stuck at "yes, I have the Beta, it's neat"?
IE- Can I talk in generalized terms about things that have been seen / broadcast already? Giving no details / names?
Dev feedback would be appreciated. |
Knight Of Valor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:59:00 -
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Saying Dust sucks and not giving a reason should not be considered breaking the NDA... |
Trej Morion
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:31:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that's not what I would say about Dust though |
Gett Coupedd
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.12 00:22:00 -
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Hello,
I have a difficult time understanding the legal language necessary in NDA. I would just like to ask, if I can say I'm playing the Dust 514 beta, as long as I don't describe anything in detail?
Thank you. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 02:24:00 -
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In the article from IGN put regarding their Exclusive access to the beta...
If we're allowed to use this to expand some of the knowledge & understanding about the current build, skills, etc.. without worrying about breaching nda that'd be awesome for consolidating some of our information. |
Reivax Goy
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 13:32:00 -
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if you buy the merc pack, when the game release you dont lost your 500k and your 4k aur, but what you win isk, skill point restart, in fack the merc pack is just an acces to beta and some aur and stuff in bonus.
And the beta is close not open, you can read it all time you play on top opf the screen "close beta: testing progress"
I heard some one tell when the game release all beta tester have a sp+¬cial dropsuit, but i dont read anything to proof this so dont take this for a faq but just a possible fake spoiler |
Trej Morion
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:27:00 -
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Longshot Ravenwood wrote:
That's hosted by IGN, it is not CCP's. So, I wouldn't contribute to that at all, for fear of violating my NDA.
-=-=-=-=-
The NDA has very broad language, I'd honestly just like to know where the line in the sand is. Can people know I am a beta tester? Can I give vague answers and responses? Can I tell them a little bit about what is show in trailers, and what the Devs mention in interviews? |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.13 04:15:00 -
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Trej Morion wrote:Longshot Ravenwood wrote: That's hosted by IGN, it is not CCP's. So, I wouldn't contribute to that at all, for fear of violating my NDA.
That's why I'm trying to get a GM or a Dev to comment on this. |
Finn Kempers
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Posted - 2012.07.13 10:41:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:Average Tjo wrote:Although I appreciate lawyer-speak as much as the next guy, you might consider producing a very short, human-readable version.
NON-OFFICIAL DRAFT FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY:
* The first rule of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club. Not even on Twitter.
~ Tjo
Reminds me of the rule for a different beta which i cant speak of, there is no beta!!!! Rule 1 There is no Beta, and there never has been and never will be.
What beta? I don't remember us talking about a beta. Never heard of it. |
Finn Kempers
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.13 10:42:00 -
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Gett Coupedd wrote:Hello,
I have a difficult time understanding the legal language necessary in NDA. I would just like to ask, if I can say I'm playing the Dust 514 beta, as long as I don't describe anything in detail?
Thank you.
You can describe everything CCP has put out to the online world. Videos interviews everything on website except this forum is NDA-free. |
Wicked Weasle
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Posted - 2012.07.15 12:36:00 -
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I heard from the "Welcome to the long beta weekend" announcement that all character attributes and assets, Im assuming skills and isk, will be "RESET" not deleted. So could this mean that we will still have all of our skill points to spend at launch. |
Trej Morion
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.15 18:20:00 -
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Wicked Weasle wrote:I heard from the "Welcome to the long beta weekend" announcement that all character attributes and assets, Im assuming skills and isk, will be "RESET" not deleted. So could this mean that we will still have all of our skill points to spend at launch.
I'm not sure what happened with the last one, but I lost everything. Even my ability to post in forums (I went to check it mid-week, and couldn't even make a new character)
Well, I hope they re-address the NDA after this beta weekend. |
Garma QUDA
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.27 00:13:00 -
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Gary Oak |
Deng Xianping
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.31 11:12:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:I sure hope they reset everyone before launch.
Would not be very fair if the betatesters got a free head start.
CCP didnt do that in EvE beta, nor should they do it here.
:) yeh I hope they do reset everything before the official launch..; I have been participating in the closed and open eve beta in 2003 - I remember when ccp put on god mode on the last beta day :D
they gave us ALL skills @ lvl 5 and every item in the market for 1 ISK.. there was blood.. and explosions :)
*asking self if that.. umm.. "tradition" will be considered to be continued at ccp?^^ |
Smokey Killer51
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.04 18:55:00 -
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NDA's Meh just do what we did during the Dawngaurd (skyrim dlc) Beta test and have youtube ban their account or whatever website ban them. Oh Bethesda how you make finding nda breakers fun. |
Zen Nar
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:23:00 -
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I doubt a majority of the PSN+ members concept or will follow an NDA.
Will CCP still try to enforce it or will they be lifting it this week? |
Sven Lindblad
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:51:00 -
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I guess they will mostly be able to get the youtube vids down, and that's the most important. |
Smokey Killer51
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.22 01:19:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQCl-aiIz0 nda broken >< |
olssam 62
What The French
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:49:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiNJLVdyxng |
Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.25 05:07:00 -
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Trej Morion wrote:Longshot Ravenwood wrote: That's hosted by IGN, it is not CCP's. So, I wouldn't contribute to that at all, for fear of violating my NDA. -=-=-=-=- The NDA has very broad language, I'd honestly just like to know where the line in the sand is. Can people know I am a beta tester? Can I give vague answers and responses? Can I tell them a little bit about what is show in trailers, and what the Devs mention in interviews?
Anyone on your friends list knows you're a beta tester already. The first time I started up the beta half dozen people on my friends list saw Dust 514 as my activity on Psn and immediately messaged me various questions and the like about the game. So CCP made sure the game broadcasts your participation to everyone around you. |
RPGio
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.25 14:19:00 -
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NDA Breaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je4hXARv-Xg&feature=plcp |
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CCP Frame
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:43:00 -
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Just a small clarification: Players connecting to SiSi with the EVE client are not under NDA. |
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Relkin Xel
Shattered Ascension
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:16:00 -
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Is it NDA violating to discuss playing DUST, if we're not talking about the current quality or mechanics of the game, or highlighting any bugs/issues/etc. in public? |
Azegorath
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.29 06:35:00 -
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ooops I couldn't help myself and tweeted "awesome #514"; please don't ban me... |
Grezkev
The Red Guards
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:31:00 -
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GNN Will not violate the NDA and will focus its attention primarily on the voices and concerns of the community members, as opposed to the game developments. |
Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.30 08:27:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Just a small clarification: Players connecting to SiSi with the EVE client are not under NDA.
So we aren't allowed to talk to them about the game? |
olssam 62
What The French
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:20:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FBlZLo9cYo |
Grezkev
The Red Guards
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Posted - 2012.08.30 19:31:00 -
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olssam 62 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FBlZLo9cYo
Is that French or German?
Sounds French but I could have sworn I heard him say "bitte" |
Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.31 09:54:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Just a small clarification: Players connecting to SiSi with the EVE client are not under NDA.
We really need a better explanation then this. Specific guide lines of what can be said in local where EVE players can read it need to be given. |
Garrett Whetshaft
Hateful Munitions
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Posted - 2012.08.31 20:27:00 -
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cool that SISI is not included, but since Playstation+ there has been a spate of recordings uploaded on Youtube.
When it is on sale in the store an NDA is not implied or obvious. If it is stated in the agreement it will not be understood properly as most people just click agree without reading these days. Hell it could say:
"clause 29.2: Any CCP GM, employee, relative or CSM representative can legally take up residence in your basement without your consent at any time of their choosing."
and people would still agree obliviously.
going off topic but seriously is this still in effect? hard to keep a lid on Dust y'know! |
olssam 62
What The French
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Posted - 2012.09.03 15:42:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lIi1QaVqVc |
Kosen Driago
WarRavens
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Posted - 2012.09.04 05:07:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWscxqENv28 |
Wilbur Robinson
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:01:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:Dear DUST 514 Beta Testers Recently, there has been a spate of instances where individuals participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta have breached their NDA. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that as part of the DUST 514 Closed Beta, accepting and adhering to the NDA is a legally binding requirement that all DUST 514 Closed Beta participants have agreed to. We understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for DUST 514. After all, it isnGÇÖt every day that one has the opportunity to participate in a ground breaking event that bridges two gaming platforms to create a new MMO genre. However, it is equally important that everyone follow the terms and conditions of the NDA so that we may protect the integrity of the DUST 514 Closed Beta testing phase. If you are not familiar with or do not recall the NDA, hereGÇÖs the link to the on-line location of the NDA. Going forward, we will continue to enforce the NDA to its fullest measure and any Closed Beta participants found in breach of the NDA will receive a permanent ban on their DUST 514 account(s), without exceptions. We realize and value the time and efforts from all of you participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta to make DUST 514 a great MMO experience to the world and we wish to see all of you continue to contribute in this regard. Thank you. The DUST 514 Development Team
Lots of YouTube videos of Gameplay are showing up now that the PSN folks have a hold of the Beta. What's CCP's stance on YouTube Gameplay videos at this point? (September 2012) Any idea when the Beta will be considered "Open"? |
BEARSTORM
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:45:00 -
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Ok this isnt to brag but to help other people understand. I've been in 20+ betas and nearly all the NDAs have the same "ideas" and all developers/companies take it very seriously.
Normaly you can not tell anyone about the game, most companies allow you to say "I am a beta tester for _________ game" but nothing else, unless the people you are talking to are also beta testers of the same game. No blogging, no email, no txt, screen shots, nothing no exceptions be it verbal,written,typed, ect, about the game you are testing.
NDA in my experiance are never lifted even in open beta and are only lifted once the game is fully released.
As long as you DO NOT share anything about the game, that is not public knowledge, to those outside of the testing group you will be fine. |
mcbob mcbob
10
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Posted - 2012.09.06 01:09:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:Actually, Tjo... our chars DON'T go poof :) at ff, when asked, CCP told us that we get to keep our characters, however it was unlikely that we would get any of the items/isk/sp that we had accrued during our testing time.
..... but, it was ALSO announced that they would "try to give us something to make up for that fact"
Uh oh, because I REALLY wanted to redo some stuff I did in beta (like the faction/race choice) not to mention the name.... |
Kelduum Daphiti
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:21:00 -
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one massive nda breach: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/07/the-firing-line-dust-514-beta-impressions/ |
James Drell
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.09 05:43:00 -
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Just watched a Dust 514 Youtube video on CCP's channel, and there's a ton of NDA breaking there, people are talking and discussing about the game openly. I think they don't even know the NDA exists, so I don't blame them, but you guys need to explain how this works to them. With an email or something. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United
Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.09.09 16:37:00 -
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Another NDA breaker.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9DX1M24dOU |
BEARSTORM
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:39:00 -
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James Drell wrote:Just watched a Dust 514 Youtube video on CCP's channel, and there's a ton of NDA breaking there, people are talking and discussing about the game openly. I think they don't even know the NDA exists, so I don't blame them, but you guys need to explain how this works to them. With an email or something.
If they are beta testers and if they do not have permission from Dust 515 team then yes its a breach. Also if they are beta testers then they see the NDA everytime they start up the game either they have never read it and just ignored it or they dont care. Either way by accepting yes everytime they play and even if they only clicked yes once the have entered an agreement with Dust 514 developers. |
Ez Dog
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:40:00 -
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BLARGH |
Ez Dog
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:42:00 -
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BEARSTORM wrote:James Drell wrote:Just watched a Dust 514 Youtube video on CCP's channel, and there's a ton of NDA breaking there, people are talking and discussing about the game openly. I think they don't even know the NDA exists, so I don't blame them, but you guys need to explain how this works to them. With an email or something. If they are beta testers and if they do not have permission from Dust 515 team then yes its a breach. Also if they are beta testers then they see the NDA everytime they start up the game either they have never read it and just ignored it or they dont care. Either way by accepting yes everytime they play and even if they only clicked yes once the have entered an agreement with Dust 514 developers.
You guys realize that CCP is the company that made the game right? Or did I read that wrong? |
James Drell
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:58:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ez Dog wrote:BEARSTORM wrote:James Drell wrote:Just watched a Dust 514 Youtube video on CCP's channel, and there's a ton of NDA breaking there, people are talking and discussing about the game openly. I think they don't even know the NDA exists, so I don't blame them, but you guys need to explain how this works to them. With an email or something. If they are beta testers and if they do not have permission from Dust 515 team then yes its a breach. Also if they are beta testers then they see the NDA everytime they start up the game either they have never read it and just ignored it or they dont care. Either way by accepting yes everytime they play and even if they only clicked yes once the have entered an agreement with Dust 514 developers. You guys realize that CCP is the company that made the game right? Or did I read that wrong?
I'm talking about the comment section of the video, should've clarified that. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United
Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.09.11 01:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npqXGhi1YV0
Another NDA breaker. |
Anticitizen2501
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2012.09.12 23:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
It's cool, he says that they are a network under BBTV and BBTV has rights to every game! 
Octavian Vetiver wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npqXGhi1YV0
Another NDA breaker.
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David Revo
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
Out of interest, are we allowed to record footage now and release it when the NDA goes down? |
Garrett Whetshaft
Hateful Munitions
31
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Posted - 2012.09.15 21:04:00 -
[69] - Quote
David Revo wrote:Out of interest, are we allowed to record footage now and release it when the NDA goes down?
would like a response to this.......
I think many people in th Vlogging / games journalism community are already building a stockpile of footage. |
Nate Silverley
Rebelles A Quebec
139
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:01:00 -
[70] - Quote
Yet another NDA breach... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmvC6GyESQ
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Jon Trollston
TOSH GAMING
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 07:35:00 -
[71] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdruYmznWjEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur7xMWEr9cQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI9cnqxYwQshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjg8pDCphbU Look theres more! NDA BREACH! theres tons of videos on yourube of this closed beta! like we should do and we need to do it now!       |
Trinciatore92
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
4
|
Posted - 2012.09.29 22:15:00 -
[72] - Quote
another breach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67cieGtcBIU |
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CCP Frame
C C P
C C P Alliance
470
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Posted - 2012.09.30 07:37:00 -
[73] - Quote
If you encounter any NDA breaking videos please email our support over at [email protected] with title: "NDA Breach". Thank you. |
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:24:00 -
[74] - Quote
When a rule cannot be enforced, that rule ceases to be relevant. With the release of Codex, I suggest that the NDA be done away with, regardless of the state the game is in. A casual search of YouTube reveals a great deal of beta gameplay videos, and undoubtedly there are many Dust players answering questions about Dust on gaming forums across the Internet. As banning that many people would be a ridiculous thing to do, it is clear that the only sensible path forward is for the NDA to be done away with. |
Garrett Whetshaft
Hateful Munitions
31
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Posted - 2012.10.01 23:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
Codex does not say Closed Beta anymore.
and I know a Dev said on the 30th that we should report anything, but with articles like this:
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2012/09/26/sonys-jack-tretton-says-dust-514-is-coming-out-next-month/
can we expect the NDA to remain in place much longer?
The First rule about Dust is not talking about Dust.
It worked as a marketing strategy for Fight Club, but Dust is not a Movie featuring Edward Norton and Brad Pitt. I really think that it would be a good idea to get the word out. Public domain info is scarce. So unless thats the plan, more dev blogs and videos please!
The community will do it without you and the amount of time that has gone into the official promo materials so far, it would be a shame to mess this up. |
Lonewolf514
79
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:40:00 -
[76] - Quote
drop the NDA already i want to share the awesome experience i've had playing dust! |
DPyro WSG
Wraith Shadow Guards
12
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Posted - 2012.10.05 18:49:00 -
[77] - Quote
I would think the fact you can buy the merc pack which grants you access to the beta would be enough to do away with the NDA. It's no longer a closed beta if anyone can essentially buy access. |
Isarian Menoptra
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
85
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:48:00 -
[78] - Quote
All of the "super slim" PS3s now come with DUST514 pre-installed. Is it seriously still NDA even though it's freely distributed on new systems? |
Xaffex
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:34:00 -
[79] - Quote
Isarian Menoptra wrote:All of the "super slim" PS3s now come with DUST514 pre-installed. Is it seriously still NDA even though it's freely distributed on new systems?
That's a good point as is being able to join the corporations that people on EVE Online already have. You have to be at least able to say that you are in the beta. |
Relic714
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.10.07 17:39:00 -
[80] - Quote
3.1(h) of the agreement seems to clear that up. However, I'm no good at legal speech either. |
Trinciatore92
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
4
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Posted - 2012.10.15 12:39:00 -
[81] - Quote
form NDA text
At such time as the product contained on any particular Private Trials Copy is released into general distribution by CCP or is otherwise disclosed to the public through no fault of Participant, then Participant will have no further obligation under this Agreement to maintain the secrecy of the product on that particular Private Trials Copy, though Participant will remain bound to all of the other obligations and restrictions set forth in this Agreement with respect to Proprietary Materials and ParticipantGÇÖs handling and return of such Private Trials Copy.
but now the beta is open or not? on the screen compare "Beta" and not "Closed Beta" is possibile make video now? |
Barrabus the Gray
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.10.16 21:58:00 -
[82] - Quote
So, basically, we have to give up our First Amendment rights. But I guess CCP doesn't care about that because it's a European company that is developing the game in Communist China. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
783
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:07:00 -
[83] - Quote
@ trincia = NDA is still in effect. Youtube videos still aren't allowed.
@ Barrabus : Free speech rights only apply to government. IE: They can't make laws to say that you can't speak your mind. In pretty much any social or organized group or company that runs a EULA or ToS, It's in there that you are agreeing that you can't just say whatever you want to whoever you want. Free speech doesn't apply to that. This protects users from harassment and such. When you agree to an NDA, you aren't violating or giving up your rights. You're just agreeing not to talk about something. |
Trinciatore92
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
4
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Posted - 2012.10.18 10:48:00 -
[84] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:@ trincia = NDA is still in effect. Youtube videos still aren't allowed.
thank  |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.10.21 07:33:00 -
[85] - Quote
Are you allowed to upload a gameplay vid but make it private or unlisted so that only YOU can view it and not the public?? |
Kosen Driago
WarRavens
25
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Posted - 2012.10.21 19:59:00 -
[86] - Quote
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9DX1M24dOU&feature=endscreen&NR=1 |
KEQ Harbinger
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:50:00 -
[87] - Quote
Barrabus the Gray wrote:So, basically, we have to give up our First Amendment rights. But I guess CCP doesn't care about that because it's a European company that is developing the game in Communist China.
You voluntarily consented to a contract between you and CCP. That's not losing free speech- NDA is a voluntary agreement between two parties.
That said, the NDA is probably not necessary anymore, but there are some obligations on CCP to get to a quality product before the masses "see" it. |
meri jin
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.11.03 10:46:00 -
[88] - Quote
is the NDA still online? sean this video today http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/jj7xay/dust-514-codex-beta-gameplay-montage |
Eppenguar Magus
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.11.04 06:17:00 -
[89] - Quote
-Yes, I believe the NDA still stands as I have just gotten beta access and had to agree to the NDA/Confidentiality eula.
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
219
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Posted - 2012.11.23 00:02:00 -
[90] - Quote
How is this possibly still not been dealt with 2 and a half months later!? |
riverini 2
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
6
|
Posted - 2012.12.03 15:24:00 -
[91] - Quote
Guize! hai riverini from Eve News24 here.
As I Tweeted CMD Wang, I feel now it would be a good time for players to get their NDA lifted and let them promote the game unrestrained, I got a ton of article ideas for my website ready 2 go, as am sure other players/bloggers have and there is this massive hold off due to the NDA.
If there were any "Trade Secrets" which were to be "revealed" to either competitors or anyone else, getting a beta key is not "that hard"
In the end, I feel the pros of lifting the NDA outweighs the cons by several order of magnitudes, so it is worth considering it. |
Kosen Driago
WarRavens
25
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:47:00 -
[92] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EisgeT6_V6c |
Kosen Driago
WarRavens
25
|
Posted - 2012.12.05 03:51:00 -
[93] - Quote
riverini 2 wrote:Guize! hai riverini from Eve News24 here.
As I Tweeted CMD Wang, I feel now it would be a good time for players to get their NDA lifted and let them promote the game unrestrained, I got a ton of article ideas for my website ready 2 go, as am sure other players/bloggers have and there is this massive hold off due to the NDA.
If there were any "Trade Secrets" which were to be "revealed" to either competitors or anyone else, getting a beta key is not "that hard"
In the end, I feel the pros of lifting the NDA outweighs the cons by several order of magnitudes, so it is worth considering it.
I think they should wait till the next build/update in my opinion... |
riverini 2
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
6
|
Posted - 2012.12.05 15:21:00 -
[94] - Quote
Kosen Driago wrote:riverini 2 wrote:Guize! hai riverini from Eve News24 here.
As I Tweeted CMD Wang, I feel now it would be a good time for players to get their NDA lifted and let them promote the game unrestrained, I got a ton of article ideas for my website ready 2 go, as am sure other players/bloggers have and there is this massive hold off due to the NDA.
If there were any "Trade Secrets" which were to be "revealed" to either competitors or anyone else, getting a beta key is not "that hard"
In the end, I feel the pros of lifting the NDA outweighs the cons by several order of magnitudes, so it is worth considering it. I think they should wait till the next build/update in my opinion...
Yeah, but i'll say don't wait until like a week to launch to let us players to spread the news and hype :) |
Dust Goon
Doomheim
22
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Posted - 2012.12.07 20:53:00 -
[95] - Quote
riverini 2 wrote:Kosen Driago wrote:riverini 2 wrote:Guize! hai riverini from Eve News24 here.
As I Tweeted CMD Wang, I feel now it would be a good time for players to get their NDA lifted and let them promote the game unrestrained, I got a ton of article ideas for my website ready 2 go, as am sure other players/bloggers have and there is this massive hold off due to the NDA.
If there were any "Trade Secrets" which were to be "revealed" to either competitors or anyone else, getting a beta key is not "that hard"
In the end, I feel the pros of lifting the NDA outweighs the cons by several order of magnitudes, so it is worth considering it. I think they should wait till the next build/update in my opinion... Yeah, but i'll say don't wait until like a week to launch to let us players to spread the news and hype :)
Your website is terrible FYI. How are your figures since we set up TM.com? |
riverini 2
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
6
|
Posted - 2012.12.09 16:13:00 -
[96] - Quote
Dust Goon wrote:riverini 2 wrote:Kosen Driago wrote:riverini 2 wrote:Guize! hai riverini from Eve News24 here.
As I Tweeted CMD Wang, I feel now it would be a good time for players to get their NDA lifted and let them promote the game unrestrained, I got a ton of article ideas for my website ready 2 go, as am sure other players/bloggers have and there is this massive hold off due to the NDA.
If there were any "Trade Secrets" which were to be "revealed" to either competitors or anyone else, getting a beta key is not "that hard"
In the end, I feel the pros of lifting the NDA outweighs the cons by several order of magnitudes, so it is worth considering it. I think they should wait till the next build/update in my opinion... Yeah, but i'll say don't wait until like a week to launch to let us players to spread the news and hype :) Your website is terrible FYI. How are your figures since we set up TM.com?
Pretty solid actually, the idiot accepted two other two spy writers. 
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Nazz'Dragg
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
6
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
I don't understand how the DNA can still be in effect when the game has so open access. While still not an open bata (if it ever becomes one) all you need to access the game is to have a playstation plus account. Hardly the hight security. |
Garrett Whetshaft
Hateful Munitions
31
|
Posted - 2012.12.18 21:01:00 -
[98] - Quote
My guess is it will be lifted soon.
There is a thread from the Dev's asking for people who want to make video's to email them here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47741
I already sent my mail in :D |
Garrett Whetshaft
Hateful Munitions
31
|
Posted - 2012.12.23 16:34:00 -
[99] - Quote
no response yet. I am starting to see more Youtubers doing it anyway......
come on CCP we want to play by the rules! Those rules that are flaunted Daily.
If you don't let the serious players start, then you only get crappy videos by people who don't play much or very well. Those videos will harms Dust's public reception. They don't care if you ban them because they only played for 30 minutes to get some capture and make a short video.
Anyone who wants to actually keep their account cannot release and videos.
This is getting ********.  |
Garrett Whetshaft
Hateful Munitions
31
|
Posted - 2012.12.23 16:34:00 -
[100] - Quote
accidental double post. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.12.24 20:41:00 -
[101] - Quote
if you guys paid attention, CCP has already stated that next build is open beta, meaning the NDA will most likely be lifted. |
DaOpa Magi
Static Corp
2
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:39:00 -
[102] - Quote
Answered ~> https://twitter.com/GamingWithDaOpa/status/293144132011053057 |
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