DUST Search - Combat rifle pros/cons

Blueprint For Murder wrote:

What do you mean I was obviously agreeing with you.

The last info on the matter I have seen posted was Posted: 2014.11.04 09:02 | Report | Edited by: CCP Rattati https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2436325#post2436325

CCP Rattati wrote:

That's probably why Missile launchers on Pythons as a combo rank number 4 in PC kills, and the Proto XT-1 Missile Launcher ranks top 4 of PC kills, for the last two weeks

Kills
Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun
Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher
Weapons, Light, Combat Rifles, Prototype, Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle
Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Six Kin Burst Heavy Machine Gun
Weapons, Light, Rail Rifles, Prototype, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle

Kills by Actor(Pawn) and Weapon
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ak.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel gk.0& Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0&Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
Vehicles, Dropships, Assault, Python& Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher
Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0& Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ck.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Vehicles, Heavy Attack Vehicles, Standard, Gunnlogi&Turrets, Railgun, Large, Prototype, 80GJ Particle Cannon

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Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1065	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:47:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Burst CR in lag has less DPS than my Grandma's cane 2. The -%15 shields is awful when you add the pact that shields are 50% immune to projectiles (hit detection) 3. ACR is just a worse SMG. Why it is good: 1. Easy to fit
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1111	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:59:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 3. ACR is just a worse SMG. Hey that's not true the ACR has: 1. 15% more dps 2. Almost twice the range 3. ...offset by horrendous kick and poor accuracy at said range 4. Less ammo, less damage per shot and per magazine, needs more frequent reloading 5. Takes up a light weapon slot, only available at 10k+ isk advanced tier and up ...****, why did I ever equip them?
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1066	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:03:00 - [3] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 3. ACR is just a worse SMG. Hey that's not true the ACR has: 1. 15% more dps 2. Almost twice the range 3. ...offset by horrendous kick and poor accuracy at said range 4. Less ammo, less damage per shot and per magazine, needs more frequent reloading 5. Takes up a light weapon slot, only available at 10k+ isk advanced tier and up ...****, why did I ever equip them? 453 ehp caldari scouts>2000 ehp suit with any projectile. Is it possible to kill a 453 ehp cal scout with projectiles? I usually run out of my clip on my proto min assault and figure out his health only went down 100.
Koch Rosenzweig Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 93	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:10:00 - [4] - Quote Its perfect to kill some gal scouts with 400+ armor love those scrubs *Slap in your biotic ass.*
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1111	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:11:00 - [5] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 453 ehp caldari scouts>2000 ehp suit with any projectile. Is it possible to kill a 453 ehp cal scout with projectiles? I usually run out of my clip on my proto min assault and figure out his health only went down 100. according to math it should only take about 26 bullets from an ACR to take out 450 shields at -15% shield damage with no damage mods, and a couple more on the armor to finish him this is assuming all of those bullets hit ...but they won't they never, ever do
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1068	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:24:00 - [6] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: Its perfect to kill some gal scouts with 400+ armor love those scrubs True but it takes over half a clip just to get through their 70 shields.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2766	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:34:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 453 ehp caldari scouts>2000 ehp suit with any projectile. Is it possible to kill a 453 ehp cal scout with projectiles? I usually run out of my clip on my proto min assault and figure out his health only went down 100. Yes, I've done it with a single clip from a Toxin SMG "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1069	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:42:00 - [8] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 453 ehp caldari scouts>2000 ehp suit with any projectile. Is it possible to kill a 453 ehp cal scout with projectiles? I usually run out of my clip on my proto min assault and figure out his health only went down 100. Yes, I've done it with a single clip from a Toxin SMG What game do you play sir?
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 977	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:33:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 453 ehp caldari scouts>2000 ehp suit with any projectile. Is it possible to kill a 453 ehp cal scout with projectiles? I usually run out of my clip on my proto min assault and figure out his health only went down 100. Yes, I've done it with a single clip from a Toxin SMG What game do you play sir? He's confusing his Destiny gameplay with Dust. Easy to do, they both start with D. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
xavier zor Expert Intervention Caldari State 311	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:40:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 3. ACR is just a worse SMG. I have fit an assault SMG and i rather'd it than the BK-42 it feels more...'ninja' and has way less kick easier to ADS with because it has less kick ^ Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres

Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1071	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:52:00 - [11] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 3. ACR is just a worse SMG. I have fit an assault SMG and i rather'd it than the BK-42 it feels more...'ninja' and has way less kick easier to ADS with because it has less kick ^ assault combat rifle is a mess just like the burst. I have to go back and change my fittings from burst to breach AR soon. Burst suffers too much from lag. It's DPS falls way below what is should be. This is why many people dont use burst CR in PC and mostly use assault.
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1630	Posted - 2014.11.22 07:05:00 - [12] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: love those scrubs >Bloodline Rebellion Knight Soiaire = my bae
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2067	Posted - 2014.11.22 08:41:00 - [13] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 3. ACR is just a worse SMG. Hey that's not true the ACR has: 1. 15% more dps 2. Almost twice the range 3. ...offset by horrendous kick and poor accuracy at said range 4. Less ammo, less damage per shot and per magazine, needs more frequent reloading 5. Takes up a light weapon slot, only available at 10k+ isk advanced tier and up ...**, why did I ever equip them? good points.. and its why i was pushing for a damage buff for the ACR on the features forum but the bittervets got butthurt and decided to cockblock me #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]**
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2067	Posted - 2014.11.22 08:42:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: xavier zor wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 3. ACR is just a worse SMG. I have fit an assault SMG and i rather'd it than the BK-42 it feels more...'ninja' and has way less kick easier to ADS with because it has less kick ^ assault combat rifle is a mess just like the burst. I have to go back and change my fittings from burst to breach AR soon. Burst suffers too much from lag. It's DPS falls way below what is should be. This is why many people dont use burst CR in PC and mostly use assault. burst AR sucks too.. and its broken atm.. its still useing old values so its stupidly under damageing #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2067	Posted - 2014.11.22 08:44:00 - [15] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 453 ehp caldari scouts>2000 ehp suit with any projectile. Is it possible to kill a 453 ehp cal scout with projectiles? I usually run out of my clip on my proto min assault and figure out his health only went down 100. according to math it should only take about 26 bullets from an ACR to take out 450 shields at -15% shield damage with no damage mods, and a couple more on the armor to finish him this is assuming all of those bullets hit ...but they won't they never, ever do cause scouts especially cal scout have become adept at being "Neo" and "matrix" "bullet dodging" #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2548	Posted - 2014.11.22 10:11:00 - [16] - Quote Yea I've gone back to regular CR on my Minmatar logistics. I dont seem to be able to get much done with the ACR. I am almost thinking I might just stick on a breach SMG and it would be better. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
The Master Race Immortal Guides 389	Posted - 2014.11.22 12:28:00 - [17] - Quote Everyone suffers hit detection issues vs the ck scouts it isn't a cr or even projectile weapon thing. The CR is good because it: Pros 1. Has a positive modifier for all but ck, but probably all in application. 2. Has laughable kick and dispersion 3. Has the most well rounded range 4. Can land multiple head shots instantly Cons 1.I really don't see any apart from maybe that your rof is so high it makes sustained fire short I would not be surprised if anyone found the SMG to be as good or better than the rifles it is mechanically broken and has the same absolute positive modifier. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 389	Posted - 2014.11.22 12:28:00 - [18] - Quote Everyone suffers hit detection issues vs the ck scouts it isn't a cr or even projectile weapon thing. The CR is good because it: Pros 1. Has a positive modifier for all but ck, but probably all in application. 2. Has laughable kick and dispersion 3. Has the most well rounded range 4. Can land multiple head shots instantly Cons 1.I really don't see any apart from maybe that your rof is so high it makes sustained fire short I would not be surprised if anyone found the SMG to be as good or better than the rifles it is mechanically broken and has the same absolute positive modifier. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2261	Posted - 2014.11.22 12:40:00 - [19] - Quote Pros - Shreds anything even'unkillable'bugged' cal scouts - Easy to fit - Scoutly weapon Cons - I forgot to carry hives PSN Sil4ntChaozz *Specialist Low SP Player [SMG CR SR NK/Mk.0&Gk.0]* Not well-known not unknown
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 683	Posted - 2014.11.22 12:50:00 - [20] - Quote It's very good in CQC and is easy to fit. It should either have the fastest reload (SCR is 0.1 seconds faster for some reason), or have a larger clip, because it really only has an effective clip of 18 (54/3 rounds per burst), yet the SCR has what, 3x times as much? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'

Exile Code Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.11.22 13:08:00 - [21] - Quote I remember when it used to actually be good, even to the point of scrubs calling it OP. I'm back after a 5 month break.
Duke Noobiam The-Devil's-Rejects 262	Posted - 2014.11.22 13:45:00 - [22] - Quote It is definitely less effective than before, the damage profile change turned out to be quite a nerf. That said, it's still my weapon of choice (I run minmitar exclusively) for the following reasons. - Min assault and min commando bonuses apply to it. - I like the range and dispersion. - I'm used to the scope. BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 683	Posted - 2014.11.22 13:50:00 - [23] - Quote So does this mean that the CR needs a buff? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 389	Posted - 2014.11.22 13:54:00 - [24] - Quote Of course the probably most used weapon in the game needs a buff silly. I mean der everyone isn't using it. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.11.22 13:56:00 - [25] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Of course the probably most used weapon in the game needs a buff silly. I mean der everyone isn't using it. That is about as ignorant as a statement can get. Just because everyone uses it doesn't mean it is good. Also, I have not seen a six kin ACR in killfeed since the nerf. I barley ever see boundless CR either. The ones that use it the most are the minmatar assaults because they get a bonus which makes the weapon semi better than before but in PC, everyone use Creodon Breach AR.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 389	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:18:00 - [26] - Quote What do you mean I was obviously agreeing with you. The last info on the matter I have seen posted was Posted: 2014.11.04 09:02 \| Report \| Edited by: CCP Rattati https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2436325#post2436325 CCP Rattati wrote: That's probably why Missile launchers on Pythons as a combo rank number 4 in PC kills, and the Proto XT-1 Missile Launcher ranks top 4 of PC kills, for the last two weeks Kills Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher Weapons, Light, Combat Rifles, Prototype, Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Six Kin Burst Heavy Machine Gun Weapons, Light, Rail Rifles, Prototype, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle Kills by Actor(Pawn) and Weapon Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ak.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel gk.0& Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0&Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun Vehicles, Dropships, Assault, Python& Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0& Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ck.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Vehicles, Heavy Attack Vehicles, Standard, Gunnlogi&Turrets, Railgun, Large, Prototype, 80GJ Particle Cannon You should look up ignorance, now I am ignorant in many things, but until I am shown otherwise this is not one of them. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:19:00 - [27] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: What do you mean I was obviously agreeing with you. The last info on the matter I have seen posted was Posted: 2014.11.04 09:02 \| Report \| Edited by: CCP Rattati https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2436325#post2436325 CCP Rattati wrote: That's probably why Missile launchers on Pythons as a combo rank number 4 in PC kills, and the Proto XT-1 Missile Launcher ranks top 4 of PC kills, for the last two weeks Kills Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher Weapons, Light, Combat Rifles, Prototype, Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Six Kin Burst Heavy Machine Gun Weapons, Light, Rail Rifles, Prototype, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle Kills by Actor(Pawn) and Weapon Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ak.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel gk.0& Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0&Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun Vehicles, Dropships, Assault, Python& Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0& Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ck.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Vehicles, Heavy Attack Vehicles, Standard, Gunnlogi&Turrets, Railgun, Large, Prototype, 80GJ Particle Cannon [/quote] Sarcasm is a lot hard to comprehend on line when you can't hear the tone of voice.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 389	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:21:00 - [28] - Quote Kidding aside, I was obviously being sarcastic again. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:23:00 - [29] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Kidding aside I was obviously being sarcastic again. I don't see the boundless CR. Also this was before people figured out Breach AR.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 389	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:28:00 - [30] - Quote That may be, but it still is the last info we have and wouldn't it just make it 2nd used in pc if you stated your case correctly because this was after the profile change I believe. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc



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