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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5308	Posted - 2014.11.21 09:08:00 - [1] - Quote If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Vicious Minotaur 1368	Posted - 2014.11.21 09:17:00 - [2] - Quote It wouldn't matter. I'd still be getting my teeth kicked in during FW. I am a minotaur.
Jebus McKing Jebus Hates Scans 1036	Posted - 2014.11.21 09:53:00 - [3] - Quote But then there would be noone I could kill with a single shot from my breach ScP. I'm using damps on my Assault. I'm using breach ScP. I like fighting scouts. Y'all just making bad fitting decisions. Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing G£î
xavier zor Boundless Mercenary 310	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:04:00 - [4] - Quote It would be so un-fun I would have to use my assault suit to slay for once Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5309	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:23:00 - [5] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: But then there would be noone I could kill with a single shot from my breach ScP. I'm using damps on my Assault. I'm using breach ScP. I like fighting scouts. Y'all just making bad fitting decisions. I just don't see the point. If I can't avoid scouts what is the point? I guess solo I can see the point, but with a squad that's working together I'm not that worried about being active scanned. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2536	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:23:00 - [6] - Quote The game would be about 8 or 10 times LESS fun for me. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Operative 1174 Uuali the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 106	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:26:00 - [7] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun. No, there must be scouts and scout suits. Dump the dam* ninja crap though. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1627	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:27:00 - [8] - Quote If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly. I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me. Knight Soiaire = my bae
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 375	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:30:00 - [9] - Quote I wouldn't mind seeing more fire fights over the undetectable back door alfa kills we have now that can solo scramble/kill forces. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Jebus McKing Jebus Hates Scans 1038	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:59:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I just don't see the point. If I can't avoid scouts what is the point? I guess solo I can see the point, but with a squad that's working together I'm not that worried about being active scanned. What do you mean by "If you can't avoid them"? If you use 2x complex damps on a medium suit you are invisible to any scouts tacnet as long as they don't use precision enhancers. (And most of them are **** without their radar telling them where to look for enemies.) whispers And guess what, most of them don't use precision enhancers because they still can't scan other scouts and most mediums don't bother dampening anyway. Also, as someone who has level 5 in Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel and thus knows a bit about the playstyle of all those classes I can tell you that if you stick to a squad and don't wander off scouts will have a much harder time. Especially when your squad also pays close attention to their surroundings. Keep your eyes and ears open. Most scouts don't expect you to, and that is why they always catch you with your pants down if you don't. Most scouts really believe they are truly invisible while cloaked. They are not. Was that a shotgun going off behind me? Better turn around and check! Did a blue dot just mysteriously disappear right behind me? Better turn around and check! Should I wander off and hack that CRU/Depot/Objective on my own? You should not. Am I getting shot by wiggle strafing CalScouts continually while they are not taking damage from my RR/CR? Might try a shield based weapon to deal with them next time. I'm not saying that scouts are not overperforming right now. But most of the problems are also caused by people not paying attention. I also think that if we make changes like the EWAR overhaul and moving scout bonuses to module efficacy instead of better base stats (which Rattati is considering right now), then the scout problem will probably be solved and we will only have heavy spam left to deal with. Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing G£î

saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 763	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:02:00 - [11] - Quote like the good'ol days SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1192	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:03:00 - [12] - Quote Meh I'm not a fan of HEAVY514. Amarrica! killed again has ebola
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2039	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:04:00 - [13] - Quote xavier zor wrote: It would be so un-fun I would have to use my assault suit to slay for once good! scout isnt a slayer suit yet its too OP thus it became one [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2039	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:05:00 - [14] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly. I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me. you dont need to be a scout to kill a heavy...... [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2039	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:07:00 - [15] - Quote the over abundence of scouts are the reason why firefights have just been replaced with ganking from behind, granted its legit if its an NKer shanking a logi because thats tactical.. however having like 50% scouts total in a match just ruins the game all together.. i think a hardcap of 2 scouts per team will do [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1461	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:20:00 - [16] - Quote I don't have a problem with scouts , just the spamming of them , I've been seeing a lot of different suits lately but still mostly scouts and I don't mind . I was in a match and I was the only heavy at the time and we were winning until the opposite team started to scout spam and it was a pain ... sorta , needless to say they came back because most of the team I was on was running assaults and only did the same and switched to scouts at the end of the match after they started coming back . It was funny to see these scrubs still try to shoot me while cloaked and just couldn't do it . I didn't have a problem with them before just the spamming of them . I'm glad that they fixed that cloaked shooting crap , a lot of people were using that as a crutch and I see that there just not as effective with that fixed . . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1461	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:27:00 - [17] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Meh I'm not a fan of HEAVY514. This is happening less to me and I'm starting to see more people run Assaults . I like it , I wasn't a fan of heavy spam either and I play mostly Commando and Logi . Once the scout numbers fall off and people start to use there Assaults more and Logi become viable again the heavy spam will disappear . I hope that soon EVERYTHING will even out and we can kill this FOTM crap once and for all . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5012	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:47:00 - [18] - Quote Scouts gone? I'd enjoy it. Of course, I would enjoy it much more if scouts remained but were balanced so they couldn't match an assault/commando's ability to slay. Same sentiments apply to HMG sentinels as well. My advice to you, playa...
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1193	Posted - 2014.11.21 11:56:00 - [19] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Once the scout numbers fall off and people start to use there Assaults more and Logi become viable again the heavy spam will disappear . It has nothing to do with the viability of assaults or logis or the numbers of scouts. As long as the heavy suit is the goto "Win one gunfight because I have more HP" suit it will always be spammed by lower skilled players. Amarrica! killed again has ebola
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15153	Posted - 2014.11.21 12:04:00 - [20] - Quote OHKOing cloaked scouts with ADS missiles is a thing of wonder. Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, DUST Pariah Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my Youtube channel

Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2057	Posted - 2014.11.21 12:06:00 - [21] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun. Make it no scouts AND no sentinels and we have a deal.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5935	Posted - 2014.11.21 12:08:00 - [22] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? . not fun at all. Then it would be Sentinels only... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4667	Posted - 2014.11.21 12:19:00 - [23] - Quote I would be slower and still suck at this game. I would also have to pump more bullets into people :(
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1462	Posted - 2014.11.21 12:23:00 - [24] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Once the scout numbers fall off and people start to use there Assaults more and Logi become viable again the heavy spam will disappear . It has nothing to do with the viability of assaults or logis or the numbers of scouts. As long as the heavy suit is the goto "Win one gunfight because I have more HP" suit it will always be spammed by lower skilled players. I don't see a problem with the heavy , now more then 5 in a match ... I would say 4 because you have so many scouts out there that if the heavies are not all in a squad then you don't have much to worry about . Scouts with RE's and SG's , oh yeah now BPR's take care of them and I play heavy so I see what happens . As a heavy , you want to see heavies but more people are using Assault and Commando's now . If your indoors then I can see but there doing what the role made them for but out in wide maps , that's just not a problem too much . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5314	Posted - 2014.11.21 12:59:00 - [25] - Quote It's weird because I'm terrible at Dust and I don't mind heavies at all. I am going to quit being a baby and dampen up a Min Assault to see if it helps. But it's more than just the cloak shotguns or whatever. It's everything. The scouts are just better at everything. I'm just ready for EWAR to get balanced and I had a horrible night of Dust. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 699	Posted - 2014.11.21 13:52:00 - [26] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun. Honestly i dont see scouts like big issue (yup thats shotie ones are sometimes pain somewhere), but overal i dont care too much if someone is scout or heavy or another classes. I can still kill them and if not they are basicaly in something better (faster, smarter or they have lag ), end of story. Nothing can hurt me in game, because it is just game. *"In the rust we trust"*
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 13852	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:15:00 - [27] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's weird because I'm terrible at Dust and I don't mind heavies at all. I am going to quit being a baby and dampen up a Min Assault to see if it helps. But it's more than just the cloak shotguns or whatever. It's everything. The scouts are just better at everything. I'm just ready for EWAR to get balanced and I had a horrible night of Dust. If they have 1-2 Precision Enhancers it'll take about 4-5 Dampeners to evade their Scans on Assaults. You'd be much better off with just being scanned and still have a good fitting. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 176	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:09:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's weird because I'm terrible at Dust and I don't mind heavies at all. I am going to quit being a baby and dampen up a Min Assault to see if it helps. But it's more than just the cloak shotguns or whatever. It's everything. The scouts are just better at everything. I'm just ready for EWAR to get balanced and I had a horrible night of Dust. If they have 1-2 Precision Enhancers it'll take about 4-5 Dampeners to evade their Scans on Assaults. You'd be much better off with just being scanned and still have a good fitting. Well I guess I'll take the damp off my assault since it seems to be pointless. Precision enhancers need a buff then or something, seems they are kinda weak unless stacked on a scout. Ewar in general seems it needs some attention directed its way for a while. More benefits for using it properly, while more restrictions put in place for not building a scout properly as well. Case in point, I got a scrubby cheater fit of my Min pro scout w over 600 hp and still fast as hell w pro AR. How OP is that set up? I prefer to use the scout properly, but when the only benefit Min gets is hacking and it seems pointless to stack precision and damp since it gets beat by the other races ewar, why wouldn't I stack shields and light plates and just build a super fast assault out of it? They just need to rework scouts so they can't be built into super assaults. 200hp cloaked scouts dont bother me its just the ones who match me in hp and able to sneak up undetected.
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 487	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:12:00 - [29] - Quote Once scouts are nerfed into oblivion, everyone will find something else to complain about. They'll all probably go back to hating proto stompers.
ghy6tr4 Ganking Police Division 27	Posted - 2014.11.21 17:31:00 - [30] - Quote It would be more fun if there were certain spots on a team. If you chose "scout" on a play menu then it would put you in a game where there was an open "scout" slot. 16 players right? 4 scouts, 4 heavies, 4 logi's and 4 medium suits = 16 players. That would solve matchmaking and it would force people to play other roles and expand the game and it would be a fairly balanced game.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2261	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:12:00 - [31] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun. I'll play along... What would it do to heavies with their only real counter removed from the game? That asked, it is an interesting thought experiment that I would change slightly: What if there was no cloak tomorrow and EWAR didn't provide directional information, and heavies were nerfed a bit against other suits? I'd think we'd have a much more enjoyable game. Scouts and Heavies with the occasional logi/assault/commando shouldn't be the end game in Dust.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1318	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:16:00 - [32] - Quote Sad cuz its my only proto role and i cant do pc Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1197	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:23:00 - [33] - Quote I'd probably actually play and not just AFK some more. At least 4x more fun... Please, make my Opus pretty...
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 749	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:29:00 - [34] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly. I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me. If I, of all people, can kill a proto heavy with a logi and an ACR, you can kill one with your assault
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 749	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:31:00 - [35] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's weird because I'm terrible at Dust and I don't mind heavies at all. I am going to quit being a baby and dampen up a Min Assault to see if it helps. But it's more than just the cloak shotguns or whatever. It's everything. The scouts are just better at everything. I'm just ready for EWAR to get balanced and I had a horrible night of Dust. I have those nights too, Thor. Sometimes you juat need to log out and put the controller down. Forcibly... repeatedly... then order a new controller.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2263	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:45:00 - [36] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly. I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me. If I, of all people, can kill a proto heavy with a logi and an ACR, you can kill one with your assault Not a good heavy, you can't. Maybe a noob or someone with little gun game...even a halfway competent heavy melts medium suits. Your best chance as an assault/logi is to outnumber them -- or perhaps use a OKH weapon like a plasma cannon or RE. Medium suits simply don't have enough DPS or EHP to stand a chance.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 750	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:51:00 - [37] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: RayRay James wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly. I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me. If I, of all people, can kill a proto heavy with a logi and an ACR, you can kill one with your assault Not a good heavy, you can't. Maybe a noob or someone with little gun game...even a halfway competent heavy melts medium suits. Your best chance as an assault/logi is to outnumber them -- or perhaps use a OKH weapon like a plasma cannon or RE. Medium suits simply don't have enough DPS or EHP to stand a chance. Hakyou is right, scouts are the only real counter -- or more heavies -- and that's exactly what you see in PC where everyone already knows this. He never qualified if the proto heavy knew what they were doing
Lonewolf Heavy Chaotic Company 169	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:00:00 - [38] - Quote I would be bored. Scouts add an interesting dynamic just like heavies. Scouts are quick, and deadly but easy to kill if you see them coming Heavies are tough, and just as deadly, but slow. Plus, as a commando I would get bored of not being able to insta melee kill scouts Sentinel/Commando
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 377	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:23:00 - [39] - Quote saxonmish wrote: like the good'ol days We've always had scouts, sure they were snipers, but we had them. I was assault then, I consider assault my origins and soon I'm going to return to my origins. *"I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."*
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 377	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:25:00 - [40] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: RayRay James wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly. I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me. If I, of all people, can kill a proto heavy with a logi and an ACR, you can kill one with your assault Not a good heavy, you can't. Maybe a noob or someone with little gun game...even a halfway competent heavy melts medium suits. Your best chance as an assault/logi is to outnumber them -- or perhaps use a OKH weapon like a plasma cannon or RE. Medium suits simply don't have enough DPS or EHP to stand a chance. Hakyou is right, scouts are the only real counter -- or more heavies -- and that's exactly what you see in PC where everyone already knows this. I used to be able to melt MLT - ADV heavies in seconds with my Kaal RR, protos were more of a challenge. That ended with they nerfed it to hell. *"I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."*

Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1405	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:30:00 - [41] - Quote Oh, yay. Everyone switches to sentinels. At least scouts usually die in one punch, though I suppose the fat people are easy to catch and beat down... Meh, maybe for a few days. It'd actually be interesting to have it done with each class in turn, perhaps even in pairs, see how the game feels with certain things removed. I want to punch.
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 321	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:34:00 - [42] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun. there would just be more heavy suits in battles making the game even less fun.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13332	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:48:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be? I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun. I'm thinking about 1.2x more fun. The lack of scouts will just add more heavies. If you remove heavies, the same result will happen only in reverse. If BOTH are removed, then it becomes over 9000x more fun for me. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2263	Posted - 2014.11.21 20:18:00 - [44] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: RayRay James wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly. I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me. If I, of all people, can kill a proto heavy with a logi and an ACR, you can kill one with your assault Not a good heavy, you can't. Maybe a noob or someone with little gun game...even a halfway competent heavy melts medium suits. Your best chance as an assault/logi is to outnumber them -- or perhaps use a OKH weapon like a plasma cannon or RE. Medium suits simply don't have enough DPS or EHP to stand a chance. Hakyou is right, scouts are the only real counter -- or more heavies -- and that's exactly what you see in PC where everyone already knows this. I used to be able to melt MLT - ADV heavies in seconds with my Kaal RR, protos were more of a challenge. That ended with they nerfed it to hell. With what suit? Certainly not a scout or a medium suit -- unless the heavy is bad. Really bad. Like running between the bridge map outside points bad. In virtually any encounter within its range, the heavies double EHP and DPS melts your suit, and it's not even a contest in a STD or ADV suit much less a proto, in my experience.


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