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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.21 09:08:00 -
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If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be?
I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Vicious Minotaur
1368
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Posted - 2014.11.21 09:17:00 -
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It wouldn't matter.
I'd still be getting my teeth kicked in during FW.
I am a minotaur.
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Jebus McKing
Jebus Hates Scans
1036
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Posted - 2014.11.21 09:53:00 -
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But then there would be noone I could kill with a single shot from my breach ScP. 
I'm using damps on my Assault. I'm using breach ScP. I like fighting scouts.
Y'all just making bad fitting decisions. 
Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing G£î
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xavier zor
Boundless Mercenary
310
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:04:00 -
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It would be so un-fun
I would have to use my assault suit to slay for once
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5309
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:23:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:But then there would be noone I could kill with a single shot from my breach ScP. I'm using damps on my Assault. I'm using breach ScP. I like fighting scouts. Y'all just making bad fitting decisions.
I just don't see the point. If I can't avoid scouts what is the point? I guess solo I can see the point, but with a squad that's working together I'm not that worried about being active scanned.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2536
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:23:00 -
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The game would be about 8 or 10 times LESS fun for me.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
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Operative 1174 Uuali
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
106
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:26:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be?
I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun.
No, there must be scouts and scout suits. Dump the dam* ninja crap though.
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1627
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:27:00 -
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If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly.
I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me.
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
375
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:30:00 -
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I wouldn't mind seeing more fire fights over the undetectable back door alfa kills we have now that can solo scramble/kill forces.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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Jebus McKing
Jebus Hates Scans
1038
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:59:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I just don't see the point. If I can't avoid scouts what is the point? I guess solo I can see the point, but with a squad that's working together I'm not that worried about being active scanned.
What do you mean by "If you can't avoid them"? If you use 2x complex damps on a medium suit you are invisible to any scouts tacnet as long as they don't use precision enhancers. (And most of them are **** without their radar telling them where to look for enemies.)
*whispers* And guess what, most of them don't use precision enhancers because they still can't scan other scouts and most mediums don't bother dampening anyway.
Also, as someone who has level 5 in Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel and thus knows a bit about the playstyle of all those classes I can tell you that if you stick to a squad and don't wander off scouts will have a much harder time. Especially when your squad also pays close attention to their surroundings.
Keep your eyes and ears open. Most scouts don't expect you to, and that is why they always catch you with your pants down if you don't.
Most scouts really believe they are truly invisible while cloaked. They are not.
Was that a shotgun going off behind me? Better turn around and check!
Did a blue dot just mysteriously disappear right behind me? Better turn around and check!
Should I wander off and hack that CRU/Depot/Objective on my own? You should not.
Am I getting shot by wiggle strafing CalScouts continually while they are not taking damage from my RR/CR? Might try a shield based weapon to deal with them next time.
I'm not saying that scouts are not overperforming right now. But most of the problems are also caused by people not paying attention.
I also think that if we make changes like the EWAR overhaul and moving scout bonuses to module efficacy instead of better base stats (which Rattati is considering right now), then the scout problem will probably be solved and we will only have heavy spam left to deal with.
Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing G£î
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saxonmish
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
763
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:02:00 -
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like the good'ol days
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
1192
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:03:00 -
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Meh I'm not a fan of HEAVY514.
Amarrica!
killed again has ebola
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
2039
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:04:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:It would be so un-fun
I would have to use my assault suit to slay for once
good! scout isnt a slayer suit yet its too OP thus it became one
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
2039
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:05:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:If there were no heavies I would never use my scout, honestly.
I prefer assault, but I can't even get remotely close to killing a good proto heavy with my assault before he turns around and insta melts me.
you dont need to be a scout to kill a heavy......
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
2039
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:07:00 -
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the over abundence of scouts are the reason why firefights have just been replaced with ganking from behind, granted its legit if its an NKer shanking a logi because thats tactical.. however having like 50% scouts total in a match just ruins the game all together.. i think a hardcap of 2 scouts per team will do
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1461
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:20:00 -
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I don't have a problem with scouts , just the spamming of them , I've been seeing a lot of different suits lately but still mostly scouts and I don't mind .
I was in a match and I was the only heavy at the time and we were winning until the opposite team started to scout spam and it was a pain ... sorta , needless to say they came back because most of the team I was on was running assaults and only did the same and switched to scouts at the end of the match after they started coming back .
It was funny to see these scrubs still try to shoot me while cloaked and just couldn't do it .
I didn't have a problem with them before just the spamming of them .
I'm glad that they fixed that cloaked shooting crap , a lot of people were using that as a crutch and I see that there just not as effective with that fixed .
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Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1461
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:27:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Meh I'm not a fan of HEAVY514.
This is happening less to me and I'm starting to see more people run Assaults .
I like it , I wasn't a fan of heavy spam either and I play mostly Commando and Logi .
Once the scout numbers fall off and people start to use there Assaults more and Logi become viable again the heavy spam will disappear .
I hope that soon EVERYTHING will even out and we can kill this FOTM crap once and for all .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5012
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:47:00 -
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Scouts gone? I'd enjoy it. Of course, I would enjoy it much more if scouts remained but were balanced so they couldn't match an assault/commando's ability to slay.
Same sentiments apply to HMG sentinels as well.
My advice to you, playa...
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
1193
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:56:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:
Once the scout numbers fall off and people start to use there Assaults more and Logi become viable again the heavy spam will disappear .
It has nothing to do with the viability of assaults or logis or the numbers of scouts.
As long as the heavy suit is the goto "Win one gunfight because I have more HP" suit it will always be spammed by lower skilled players.
Amarrica!
killed again has ebola
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15153
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:04:00 -
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OHKOing cloaked scouts with ADS missiles is a thing of wonder.
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, DUST Pariah
Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my Youtube channel
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Ryme Intrinseca
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
2057
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:06:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be?
I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun.
Make it no scouts AND no sentinels and we have a deal. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5935
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:08:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be?
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not fun at all. Then it would be Sentinels only...
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:19:00 -
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I would be slower and still suck at this game.
I would also have to pump more bullets into people :( |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1462
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:23:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:
Once the scout numbers fall off and people start to use there Assaults more and Logi become viable again the heavy spam will disappear .
It has nothing to do with the viability of assaults or logis or the numbers of scouts. As long as the heavy suit is the goto "Win one gunfight because I have more HP" suit it will always be spammed by lower skilled players.
I don't see a problem with the heavy , now more then 5 in a match ... I would say 4 because you have so many scouts out there that if the heavies are not all in a squad then you don't have much to worry about .
Scouts with RE's and SG's , oh yeah now BPR's take care of them and I play heavy so I see what happens .
As a heavy , you want to see heavies but more people are using Assault and Commando's now .
If your indoors then I can see but there doing what the role made them for but out in wide maps , that's just not a problem too much .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5314
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:59:00 -
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It's weird because I'm terrible at Dust and I don't mind heavies at all.
I am going to quit being a baby and dampen up a Min Assault to see if it helps. But it's more than just the cloak shotguns or whatever. It's everything. The scouts are just better at everything.
I'm just ready for EWAR to get balanced and I had a horrible night of Dust.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
699
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:52:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:If there were no scouts when you logged on tomorrow how much more fun would Dust be?
I'm thinking 8 or 10 million times more fun.
Honestly i dont see scouts like big issue (yup thats shotie ones are sometimes pain somewhere), but overal i dont care too much if someone is scout or heavy or another classes.
I can still kill them and if not they are basicaly in something better (faster, smarter or they have lag ), end of story.
Nothing can hurt me in game, because it is just game.
"In the rust we trust"
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
13852
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Posted - 2014.11.21 14:15:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's weird because I'm terrible at Dust and I don't mind heavies at all.
I am going to quit being a baby and dampen up a Min Assault to see if it helps. But it's more than just the cloak shotguns or whatever. It's everything. The scouts are just better at everything.
I'm just ready for EWAR to get balanced and I had a horrible night of Dust.
If they have 1-2 Precision Enhancers it'll take about 4-5 Dampeners to evade their Scans on Assaults.
You'd be much better off with just being scanned and still have a good fitting.
The 1st Matari Commando
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SILENT GIANT
FATHERS-AND-SONS
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Posted - 2014.11.21 15:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's weird because I'm terrible at Dust and I don't mind heavies at all.
I am going to quit being a baby and dampen up a Min Assault to see if it helps. But it's more than just the cloak shotguns or whatever. It's everything. The scouts are just better at everything.
I'm just ready for EWAR to get balanced and I had a horrible night of Dust. If they have 1-2 Precision Enhancers it'll take about 4-5 Dampeners to evade their Scans on Assaults. You'd be much better off with just being scanned and still have a good fitting.
Well I guess I'll take the damp off my assault since it seems to be pointless.
Precision enhancers need a buff then or something, seems they are kinda weak unless stacked on a scout.
Ewar in general seems it needs some attention directed its way for a while. More benefits for using it properly, while more restrictions put in place for not building a scout properly as well. Case in point, I got a scrubby cheater fit of my Min pro scout w over 600 hp and still fast as hell w pro AR. How OP is that set up? I prefer to use the scout properly, but when the only benefit Min gets is hacking and it seems pointless to stack precision and damp since it gets beat by the other races ewar, why wouldn't I stack shields and light plates and just build a super fast assault out of it?
They just need to rework scouts so they can't be built into super assaults. 200hp cloaked scouts dont bother me its just the ones who match me in hp and able to sneak up undetected. |
Mike Ox Bigger
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
487
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Posted - 2014.11.21 15:12:00 -
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Once scouts are nerfed into oblivion, everyone will find something else to complain about. They'll all probably go back to hating proto stompers. |
ghy6tr4
Ganking Police Division
27
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:31:00 -
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It would be more fun if there were certain spots on a team. If you chose "scout" on a play menu then it would put you in a game where there was an open "scout" slot.
16 players right?
4 scouts, 4 heavies, 4 logi's and 4 medium suits = 16 players.
That would solve matchmaking and it would force people to play other roles and expand the game and it would be a fairly balanced game. |
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