Indeed. And equipment logis aren't even trapped in their role. Conceivably you can still fit a logi suit for deployables, deploy your stuff, and then switch to a rep tool/injector/scanning fit without torching your bandwidth and losing your links.

Indeed. And equipment logis aren't even trapped in their role. Conceivably you can still fit a logi suit for deployables, deploy your stuff, and then switch to a rep tool/injector/scanning fit without torching your bandwidth and losing your links.

What about a forge gunner? In most cases im the only one who cares about giving av support and uplinks, what i usually do is go somewhere high, 2 pro flux links, and 3 quantum nanos, then suicide and switch to a minheavy with an iafg.
Now i wouldnt be able to go on forging, as ill keep running out of ammo.

Question, does the Heavy have any BW?
If it has like 1-2 eq worth, it would still be possible to toss yourself a uplink/ishy hive, but no throwing yourself an invuln nest that is impervious to any sustained DPS.

Currently it doesn't, but the numbers aren't set in stone. I don't personally see why they have to have 0, I think one EQ worth is probably OK.

What about a forge gunner? In most cases im the only one who cares about giving av support and uplinks, what i usually do is go somewhere high, 2 pro flux links, and 3 quantum nanos, then suicide and switch to a minheavy with an iafg.
Now i wouldnt be able to go on forging, as ill keep running out of ammo.

They need to have zero

If you want the stupidity with sentinels to stop they need to have zero.

Forge gunners will no longer be able to use suit switching to allow them to operate solo beyond the intended capability of the suit. To spawn on a high tower, you'll need uplinks placed by another person. To restock, you'll need nanohives placed by another person.

I don't think they should have bandwidth. Someone gave me the impression they did, which I was about to go murder with a stick, until I found out that they already didn't.

Just a quick question: Why do you think Sentinels having bandwidth will keep things the same?

This isn't a bash or anything. I've followed your Sentinel role change threads for the past few weeks now, and I agree with you. So I'd like to hear your thoughts on this

I usually drop one militia uplink per match and often switch out to a heavy frame later in the match.
Will this pop my link?
I don't want to be trapped in a medium or light suit to keep that link active if the situation calls for me switching to heavy.
(When I run heavy frame I play commando role not hmg.)

Quality over Quantity
We want players to use the best Equipment they have at their disposal. ThatGÇÖs why Bandwidth will not increase with item tiers. We also have the capability and intent to reduce Scan Profile with tiers, so Advanced and Complex gear is not as easy to scan. However, this also allows us to increase the carried amount, for rapid redeployment. Spawn first Nanohive and Drop Uplink at point A, redeploy to Objective B, spawn second Nanohive and Drop Uplink, and so on. Stay out of trouble and you wonGÇÖt need to switch or restock for quite some time.

It seems like people are a little confused about how the EQ bandwidth thing is supposed to work, so hereGÇÖs some examples to help make it more clear than RattatiGÇÖs spreadsheet (I do give him a +1 for the use of both GÇ£shenanigansGÇ¥ and GÇ£follyGÇ¥ in a spreadsheet). Personally I like the idea (a lot) so I want to make sure everyone understands its purpose and mechanics before they jump to any conclusions.



Example 1: This is exactly what the BW mechanic is intended to stop.
-Player starts match in scout suit or speedy min logi suit stacked with uplinks. Litters the map with them along a path leading to supply depot
-Switches to another suit, drops a bunch of triage hives at a chokepoint, heads back to supply depot
-Switches to HMG sentinel, camps said hives.
-Profit. When he dies he respawns in the relatively cheaper sentinel suit while the expensive equipment is used cost-free


Example 2: The way I, as a proper Amarr logi specializing in tactical logistics, starts basically every battle:
-Spawn in with scout suit with 2 uplinks (the Amarr logi suit is not really any faster than a Min sentinel once you put some armor on it). Place uplinks judiciously, in well-chosen locations (click signature for details)
-Switch to Amarr logi suit, activate uplink bonus. Drop a couple more if itGÇÖs a large 5 point map. Do all my super-important logi stuff with rep tool or nanohives or whatever
-Replace uplinks when needed
-No profit as my suit is expensive and the d-bag above stole all my WP by dropping his uplinks right on top of mine after spawning on them. GG, dude.


-Insert bandwidth here-

Example 1a: Same Scout/Sentinel 514 youGÇÖve grown to love, but now with BW!
-Player starts match with ADV min logi suit (BW=6 EQ worth)
-Craps out 5 uplinks on the way to supply depot in numerical order, #1 under the MCC, #2 in the middle of the road, #3 kinda near the city entrance, etc.
-Switches to another ADV min logi suit, drops 3 more (#6,7,8).
-Ooops! Exceeded BW of 6 EQ. (5+3 >6). Uplinks #1 and #2 pop.
-Returns to supply depot, switches to cloaked shotty scout to display l33t skillz while farming uplink WP
-Uh oh. Scout BW = 3 EQ. Uplinks 3-5 pop. Sad face.
-Complain on forums


Example 2a:You can still be a logi
-Spawn in with scout suit (BW = 3 EQ) for initial run, drop 3 uplinks, need to be even more judicious since itGÇÖs only 3
-Switch to Amarr logi suit (BW=8GǪ yay!), drop the remaining uplinks, letGÇÖs call it 5 total.
-Do logi stuff. Still have room for 3 REGÇÖs to set a trap or to drop a full complement of proto hives.
-Profit. Less equipment is being spammed overall. No one else is stealing my WP.
-Rep tool, injector, scanners not affected. I can switch to a medic suit with those 3 things and my EQ stays exactly where it is!

Hope this cleared up any confusion. I can always put up a couple other scenarios/examples if desired.

example oen i have not seen exact examples of this but there is alot of spam around supply depos as for second example i thought the amarr logi bonus only worked when it was the amarr logi suit which had dropped said uplinks.. this may need "fixing" in the future.

big fan of the bandwidth proposal as described. Have they suggested a date/timeframe they'd like to deploy whatever the final product is?

Secondly, OP - nice explanation & examples. Would you consider posting something similar for the 'EWAR' proposal?

In a commando you're good. ....

I understand this is needed to stop exploitation, but it does sadden me that I will no longer be able to use REs and uplinks or booby trap my uplinks with REs. I guess I will fit a hive instead.

Yeah, honestly I think the numbers for RE's and proxies should be reduced. RE's should be 2 BW, proxies 1.