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Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.17 21:46:00 - [1] - Quote You know I had to wonder what in the world was CCP thinking when it was good idea to put Cloaking in this game. Now the strategy in this game is completely @#$%. Element of surprise. Wow. I going to say this at first I didn't minded as much when playing Skirmish and Domination. Every time, Moving to Objective or Defend Objective, Capping the Flag, or just walking tore the objective . Get kill by Shot gunner in close range, getting shot from behind, it ridiculous. Then trying to shoot them, they go cloaked, Don't know where there going to kill u from, Option is, He Hide, Flank around, Or chase him down. Then boom your dead from behind. It get ignoring as hell, And I don't know need someone on here to tell me just sucked up and adopt. U know for the people that play it they brag about there proto suit, logi suit and gear, how much ISK and SP in a hours spent. CCP need to make a modules or weapon of some sort to counter it. Like Infrared scanning or heat seeker. Yes I know I have look at cloak field in marketplace if some of u trying to tell me it only use for short period of time 15,30,40 second of use, and 10, 15, 20 second of recharging. You wonder no new player will ever stay with this game long term.
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 24	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:06:00 - [2] - Quote No
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1354	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:34:00 - [3] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBugiIH0fz8 AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Sergeant Sazu Kitties of Doom 185	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:39:00 - [4] - Quote Sounds like you need to shoot scout with yes. [33.5m SP - Next skill: Combat Rifle Sharpshooter 5]
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2191	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:40:00 - [5] - Quote TBH I liked the game much more before the cloak. Then again, I'm not sure what would happen if the only viable counter to the HMG were not in the game.
CharacterNameWasTaken 240	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:40:00 - [6] - Quote i wonder why your grammar is so bad is the the thing i.wonder. "Stop it the bouncing is making me uncomfortable" - Senji/Crow
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 6022	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:41:00 - [7] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: You know I had to wonder what in the world was CCP thinking when it was good idea to put Cloaking in this game. Now the strategy in this game is completely @#$%. Element of surprise. Wow. I going to say this at first I didn't minded as much when playing Skirmish and Domination. Every time, Moving to Objective or Defend Objective, Capping the Flag, or just walking tore the objective . Get kill by Shot gunner in close range, getting shot from behind, it ridiculous. Then trying to shoot them, they go cloaked, Don't know where there going to kill u from, Option is, He Hide, Flank around, Or chase him down. Then boom your dead from behind. It get ignoring as hell, And I don't know need someone on here to tell me just sucked up and adopt. U know for the people that play it they brag about there proto suit, logi suit and gear, how much ISK and SP in a hours spent. CCP need to make a modules or weapon of some sort to counter it. Like Infrared scanning or heat seeker. Yes I know I have look at cloak field in marketplace if some of u trying to tell me it only use for short period of time 15,30,40 second of use, and 10, 15, 20 second of recharging. You wonder no new player will ever stay with this game long term. Shut your wh*re mouth. NEG1 Klingt 8-2 EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs 4 Sale
Destructive Habits Universal Protectors of the Universe 1	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:45:00 - [8] - Quote Okay, so you are saying that since the cloak field gives someone a SMALL strategic advantage over you that it's overpowered and it should be removed? The cloak has a few advantages (temporary invisibility) and many disadvantages (small cloak time, long recharge, partial invisibility, dampened scan precision, delay from firing after cloak). Most players just get better at observing their surroundings and get better scans, but a few just decide it's too much effort to fit a few modules to find cloaked scouts (or commandos :p). It honestly isn't that hard to find a cloaked enemy. Click here for a BPO Assault Rifle, a BPO SMG and a BPO Militia Dropsuit.
DDx77 The Exemplars Top Men. 26	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:16:00 - [9] - Quote This is not a game where you can just go auto pilot in a heavy and kill everyb......oh wait Seriously: turn and shoot. Watch your back. Anticipate Use scanners Use eyes to see blue ghostie thing and shoot it Your target sight will turn red when you point it at a cloak, again shoot Mass driver at their feet!!!!! (Hint very effective) Yes sometimes they are overwhelming. I also noticed you only mentioned shotgun, you dont mind when knives kill you just as fast? Yes the cloak should be exposed if you land shots on it but that's my only problem with them. I actually think the duration times for each tier should be increased But no, it's not leaving the game. Ever
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 68	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:25:00 - [10] - Quote Remove the 2nd equipment slot that scouts have. That way you will see a reduction in the number of scout suits using a cloak (+r/e's). Have bullets and nades (- flux) increase the shimmer of the cloak field for a short time. Makes the scout easier to see. Have flux nades deplete the available time remaining on the cloak by a certain percentage (33%?) possibly forcing the scout to retreat to recharge or engage before he is quite ready to. I don't think weapons should drop the cloak and do damage nor should flux nades drop the cloak and remove the scouts shields (I would love to see it , but I dont think it is fair). Garbage Day!

Michael Arck 6046	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:29:00 - [11] - Quote What is the deadly impact of cloaks? That it puts more scouts onto the field? I have been trying to figure out what is the real problem with cloaks for a long time now. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 614	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:49:00 - [12] - Quote I agree, we gave cloaks a go and it didn't work out. Let's just get rid of them altogether.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 01:47:00 - [13] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: TBH I liked the game much more before the cloak. Then again, I'm not sure what would happen if the only viable counter to the HMG were not in the game. What was the better way to beat HMG then, Flux and Locus Grenade, Flay lock Pistol, Mass Driver and shot gun. I don't see them using most of that now. Before the cloaked most player will just gang up on them shoot the crap out them.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 01:49:00 - [14] - Quote CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: i wonder why your grammar is so bad is the the thing i.wonder. If that your answers because u don't want to say that oh I been killed by them a bunch time and I don't have problem with it. For you to say that make no freaking sense if you think I'm just sitting here complaining. I'm not.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 01:51:00 - [15] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: You know I had to wonder what in the world was CCP thinking when it was good idea to put Cloaking in this game. Now the strategy in this game is completely @#$%. Element of surprise. Wow. I going to say this at first I didn't minded as much when playing Skirmish and Domination. Every time, Moving to Objective or Defend Objective, Capping the Flag, or just walking tore the objective . Get kill by Shot gunner in close range, getting shot from behind, it ridiculous. Then trying to shoot them, they go cloaked, Don't know where there going to kill u from, Option is, He Hide, Flank around, Or chase him down. Then boom your dead from behind. It get ignoring as hell, And I don't know need someone on here to tell me just sucked up and adopt. U know for the people that play it they brag about there proto suit, logi suit and gear, how much ISK and SP in a hours spent. CCP need to make a modules or weapon of some sort to counter it. Like Infrared scanning or heat seeker. Yes I know I have look at cloak field in marketplace if some of u trying to tell me it only use for short period of time 15,30,40 second of use, and 10, 15, 20 second of recharging. You wonder no new player will ever stay with this game long term. Shut your wh*re mouth. Yup that coming from a player that really doesn't matter how the game is play. Survival of the fittest huh.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 02:08:00 - [16] - Quote Destructive Habits wrote: Okay, so you are saying that since the cloak field gives someone a SMALL strategic advantage over you that it's overpowered and it should be removed? The cloak has a few advantages (temporary invisibility) and many disadvantages (small cloak time, long recharge, partial invisibility, dampened scan precision, delay from firing after cloak). Most players just get better at observing their surroundings and get better scans, but a few just decide it's too much effort to fit a few modules to find cloaked scouts (or commandos :p). It honestly isn't that hard to find a cloaked enemy. I didn't say it overpower, I did explain seconds on how long use and how long they recharge. Like I said, I didn't minded it at first, but playing domination and skirmish it strategy with a full team. Let say you play skirmish and u know closes flag is B flag and enemy will be C flag, A flag is wide open so few your team mate goes for A flag and cap it and set up a defense. Now before the cloaking enemy team will snipe, bull rush with HMG, Use Tank to flush the enemy out and set up Drop Unlink near by, simple Now with the cloak the can easily walk thru your defense without even notice and kill you on the spot unless u let them. Your post when u said that isn't hard to find a cloaked enemy, I don't believe that for a second that if isn't hard to spot them when cloaked.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1302	Posted - 2014.11.18 02:10:00 - [17] - Quote No i just learned how to adapt to the delay Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 02:10:00 - [18] - Quote DDx77 wrote: This is not a game where you can just go auto pilot in a heavy and kill everyb......oh wait Seriously: turn and shoot. Watch your back. Anticipate Use scanners Use eyes to see blue ghostie thing and shoot it Your target sight will turn red when you point it at a cloak, again shoot Mass driver at their feet!!!!! (Hint very effective) Yes sometimes they are overwhelming. I also noticed you only mentioned shotgun, you dont mind when knives kill you just as fast? Yes the cloak should be exposed if you land shots on it but that's my only problem with them. I actually think the duration times for each tier should be increased But no, it's not leaving the game. Ever Everything u just said tell me that u really don't have single problem when dealing with them.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 02:13:00 - [19] - Quote Zindorak wrote: No i just learned how to adapt to the delay Everyone will say the same thing without concern and trying to act natural with it like nothing happen.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5941	Posted - 2014.11.18 02:14:00 - [20] - Quote So you didn't feel like commenting in one of the other number of threads with practically the same title? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 02:16:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: What is the deadly impact of cloaks? That it puts more scouts onto the field? I have been trying to figure out what is the real problem with cloaks for a long time now. Yea but did your consider of what suit that they where. Combination is either Proto Logi or Lightweight Drop suit with Shot Gun and Machine Pistol or Iron Pistol either one.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.18 02:41:00 - [22] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: So you didn't feel like commenting in one of the other number of threads with practically the same title? First of there I been away from this forum almost year. Second my PS3 out of commission when they started adding new things in the game so that was like 7-8 month ago since I been back on here and the game.. Trust me I know how your player are when come to thing like these. You act like there nothing wrong with instead of saying to me that I don't have a problem.
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 580	Posted - 2014.11.18 11:51:00 - [23] - Quote I'm so sick of the cloak being used as a scapegoat. Yes the cloak-fire delay is still fugged but I have not died to a rifle-weilding scout in this fashion. Ever. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Michael Arck 6049	Posted - 2014.11.18 11:54:00 - [24] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: Michael Arck wrote: What is the deadly impact of cloaks? That it puts more scouts onto the field? I have been trying to figure out what is the real problem with cloaks for a long time now. Yea but did your consider of what suit that they where. Combination is either Proto Logi or Lightweight Drop suit with Shot Gun and Machine Pistol or Iron Pistol either one. The reason I ask because I don't think cloaks are part of the problem. I think they have lead to over saturation of the roles, but if cloaks are removed, will it actually alleviate the problem? Just curious for the discussion points. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 580	Posted - 2014.11.18 11:56:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Michael Arck wrote: What is the deadly impact of cloaks? That it puts more scouts onto the field? I have been trying to figure out what is the real problem with cloaks for a long time now. Yea but did your consider of what suit that they where. Combination is either Proto Logi or Lightweight Drop suit with Shot Gun and Machine Pistol or Iron Pistol either one. The reason I ask because I don't think cloaks are part of the problem. I think they have lead to over saturation of the roles, but if cloaks are removed, will it actually alleviate the problem? Just curious for the discussion points. >Tracking shooter >One-shot weapons >Problem EDIT: I'm not trying to protect the cloak, it's not on any of my fittings as it's usefulness does not outweigh the utility of a nanohive, uplink, or rep tool. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 61	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:15:00 - [26] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: I'm so sick of the cloak being used as a scapegoat. Yes the cloak-fire delay is still fugged but I have not died to a rifle-weilding scout in this fashion. Ever. Then your just lying too your self by saying that I haven't die from it. Tell me this , Do u stay in one spot and not get into a fire fight or do u use a tank to mauled down enemy or do u ever go tours the objective but use the cloaked to be Undetected by enemy team. There no way that u cant possible say that I haven't been killed by any player that use cloaking.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 61	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:18:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Michael Arck wrote: What is the deadly impact of cloaks? That it puts more scouts onto the field? I have been trying to figure out what is the real problem with cloaks for a long time now. Yea but did your consider of what suit that they where. Combination is either Proto Logi or Lightweight Drop suit with Shot Gun and Machine Pistol or Iron Pistol either one. The reason I ask because I don't think cloaks are part of the problem. I think they have lead to over saturation of the roles, but if cloaks are removed, will it actually alleviate the problem? Just curious for the discussion points. I'm not saying it should be remove, It need something to counter it. Even thou Flux Grenade only think to disable Shield and Electronic.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4630	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:20:00 - [28] - Quote You need to be removed from the game.
Destructive Habits Universal Protectors of the Universe 1	Posted - 2014.11.20 00:09:00 - [29] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: Destructive Habits wrote: Okay, so you are saying that since the cloak field gives someone a SMALL strategic advantage over you that it's overpowered and it should be removed? The cloak has a few advantages (temporary invisibility) and many disadvantages (small cloak time, long recharge, partial invisibility, dampened scan precision, delay from firing after cloak). Most players just get better at observing their surroundings and get better scans, but a few just decide it's too much effort to fit a few modules to find cloaked scouts (or commandos :p). It honestly isn't that hard to find a cloaked enemy. I didn't say it overpower, I did explain seconds on how long use and how long they recharge. Like I said, I didn't minded it at first, but playing domination and skirmish it strategy with a full team. Let say you play skirmish and u know closes flag is B flag and enemy will be C flag, A flag is wide open so few your team mate goes for A flag and cap it and set up a defense. Now before the cloaking enemy team will snipe, bull rush with HMG, Use Tank to flush the enemy out and set up Drop Unlink near by, simple Now with the cloak the can easily walk thru your defense without even notice and kill you on the spot unless u let them. Your post when u said that isn't hard to find a cloaked enemy, I don't believe that for a second that if isn't hard to spot them when cloaked. Well, I think that you need to understand that just because you don't quite understand how to observe your surroundings (or type for that matter) doesn't mean that you should blame the cloak for all of the problems that you have with the game. Even though the cloak has been released, I still see people "bull rush with hmg" "use tank to flush out enemy" and "set up Drop Unlink". Do you want to know why? It's because the cloak is not overpowered (which you actually did say). If it was overpowered, everybody would be running around with shotguns and cloak fields, and nobody would even try to "set up Drop Unlink". Nobody will be able to "walk thru your defense without even notice and kill you on the spot" if you use your minimap or (god forbid) your EYES. Click here for a BPO Assault Rifle, a BPO SMG and a BPO Militia Dropsuit.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 62	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:40:00 - [30] - Quote Joel II X wrote: You need to be removed from the game. I don't need to tell me to stop playing this game just because I'm complaining over lousy cloaked. All I saying is it ruin the strategy of the game.

Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 62	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:42:00 - [31] - Quote Destructive Habits wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Destructive Habits wrote: Okay, so you are saying that since the cloak field gives someone a SMALL strategic advantage over you that it's overpowered and it should be removed? The cloak has a few advantages (temporary invisibility) and many disadvantages (small cloak time, long recharge, partial invisibility, dampened scan precision, delay from firing after cloak). Most players just get better at observing their surroundings and get better scans, but a few just decide it's too much effort to fit a few modules to find cloaked scouts (or commandos :p). It honestly isn't that hard to find a cloaked enemy. I didn't say it overpower, I did explain seconds on how long use and how long they recharge. Like I said, I didn't minded it at first, but playing domination and skirmish it strategy with a full team. Let say you play skirmish and u know closes flag is B flag and enemy will be C flag, A flag is wide open so few your team mate goes for A flag and cap it and set up a defense. Now before the cloaking enemy team will snipe, bull rush with HMG, Use Tank to flush the enemy out and set up Drop Unlink near by, simple Now with the cloak the can easily walk thru your defense without even notice and kill you on the spot unless u let them. Your post when u said that isn't hard to find a cloaked enemy, I don't believe that for a second that if isn't hard to spot them when cloaked. Well, I think that you need to understand that just because you don't quite understand how to observe your surroundings (or type for that matter) doesn't mean that you should blame the cloak for all of the problems that you have with the game. Even though the cloak has been released, I still see people "bull rush with hmg" "use tank to flush out enemy" and "set up Drop Unlink". Do you want to know why? It's because the cloak is not overpowered (which you actually did say). If it was overpowered, everybody would be running around with shotguns and cloak fields, and nobody would even try to "set up Drop Unlink". Nobody will be able to "walk thru your defense without even notice and kill you on the spot" if you use your minimap or (god forbid) your EYES. I will respect your comment but that not how I saw the game when I first play it.
Destructive Habits Universal Protectors of the Universe 2	Posted - 2014.11.21 22:35:00 - [32] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Michael Arck wrote: What is the deadly impact of cloaks? That it puts more scouts onto the field? I have been trying to figure out what is the real problem with cloaks for a long time now. Yea but did your consider of what suit that they where. Combination is either Proto Logi or Lightweight Drop suit with Shot Gun and Machine Pistol or Iron Pistol either one. The reason I ask because I don't think cloaks are part of the problem. I think they have lead to over saturation of the roles, but if cloaks are removed, will it actually alleviate the problem? Just curious for the discussion points. I'm not saying it should be remove, It need something to counter it. Even thou Flux Grenade only think to disable Shield and Electronic. Before the cloaked, there was no issue on how the game actually played at the time they add it in. So I don't see it Alleviate the Problem. Oh, so you're saying that you didn't say that cloaking needs to be removed from the game? The thread is titled "cloaking needs to be remove from the game" You know what can counter a cloak? Scanners, team communication, and SITUATIONAL AWARENESS! Honestly, I notice cloaked enemies more often than they kill me, and that's saying something (I'm not very good) but I am aware of what is going on. They aren't a threat if you use your eyes. (It helps to be good, also) Click here for a BPO Assault Rifle, a BPO SMG and a BPO Militia Dropsuit.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 226	Posted - 2014.11.22 02:19:00 - [33] - Quote remember when EWAR was perfectly balanced before the cloak happened? i do. sure, scouts were a little underpowered but that was better than what happened after (i'm a scout player shut up whiny scouts) Tank 514 was Dust at it's best and that's kind of sad.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1321	Posted - 2014.11.22 02:23:00 - [34] - Quote No Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 29	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:14:00 - [35] - Quote Many of you scouts may know me, many of you may not. But you can get to know me when you see me in the battle field.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 393	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:31:00 - [36] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: You know I had to wonder what in the world was CCP thinking when it was good idea to put Cloaking in this game. Now the strategy in this game is completely @#$%. Element of surprise. Wow. I going to say this at first I didn't minded as much when playing Skirmish and Domination. Every time, Moving to Objective or Defend Objective, Capping the Flag, or just walking tore the objective . Get kill by Shot gunner in close range, getting shot from behind, it ridiculous. Then trying to shoot them, they go cloaked, Don't know where there going to kill u from, Option is, He Hide, Flank around, Or chase him down. Then boom your dead from behind. It get ignoring as hell, And I don't know need someone on here to tell me just sucked up and adopt. U know for the people that play it they brag about there proto suit, logi suit and gear, how much ISK and SP in a hours spent. CCP need to make a modules or weapon of some sort to counter it. Like Infrared scanning or heat seeker. Yes I know I have look at cloak field in marketplace if some of u trying to tell me it only use for short period of time 15,30,40 second of use, and 10, 15, 20 second of recharging. You wonder no new player will ever stay with this game long term. Shut your whre mouth. Yup that coming from a player that really doesn't matter how the game is play. Survival of the fittest huh. No, I've seen him. he knows how to play. Anyway, he is right. Shut the hell up! Just because you get killed a few times doesn't mean cry on the forums for something to be removed. "I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."*
Destructive Habits Universal Protectors of the Universe 2	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:00:00 - [37] - Quote Honestly, if you would just look around a little, you would see that your opinion does not matter at this point. Your opinion is a grain of salt in a sea of ***** that we don't give. Click here for a BPO Assault Rifle, a BPO SMG and a BPO Militia Dropsuit.
Operative 1174 Uuali the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 110	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:07:00 - [38] - Quote Stryker Syx Vector wrote: No See, the cloak has already created an addiction. Cloak junkies won't let it go away now without whine. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 397	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:19:00 - [39] - Quote Patrilicus wrote: Remove the 2nd equipment slot that scouts have. That way you will see a reduction in the number of scout suits using a cloak (+r/e's). Have bullets and nades (- flux) increase the shimmer of the cloak field for a short time. Makes the scout easier to see. Have flux nades deplete the available time remaining on the cloak by a certain percentage (33%?) possibly forcing the scout to retreat to recharge or engage before he is quite ready to. I don't think weapons should drop the cloak and do damage nor should flux nades drop the cloak and remove the scouts shields (I would love to see it , but I dont think it is fair). Wait... so you want me to stop putting uplinks behind the enemy team that is redlining you? Fool. I use Cloak + Uplink and the R/Es not really a problem. *"I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."*
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 93	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:39:00 - [40] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Patrilicus wrote: Remove the 2nd equipment slot that scouts have. That way you will see a reduction in the number of scout suits using a cloak (+r/e's). Have bullets and nades (- flux) increase the shimmer of the cloak field for a short time. Makes the scout easier to see. Have flux nades deplete the available time remaining on the cloak by a certain percentage (33%?) possibly forcing the scout to retreat to recharge or engage before he is quite ready to. I don't think weapons should drop the cloak and do damage nor should flux nades drop the cloak and remove the scouts shields (I would love to see it , but I dont think it is fair). Wait... so you want me to stop putting uplinks behind the enemy team that is redlining you? Fool. I use Cloak + Uplink and the R/Es not really a problem. You don't need a cloak to get past the team redlining you. I was stuck in a match where my team were being redlined (I was killed as I spawned in twice) but within 2 minutes, if broken through the enemy line and stuck out an uplink. There were 16 in the match, but most weren't even spawning in. Suddenly, +25 kept popping up on my screen. I was using a scout with no cloak. My logi squad mate did the same within seconds of me. And REs are a problem- they can be deployed while invisible and detonated before uncloaking.

Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 154	Posted - 2014.11.22 07:22:00 - [41] - Quote Raptor Princess wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Patrilicus wrote: Remove the 2nd equipment slot that scouts have. That way you will see a reduction in the number of scout suits using a cloak (+r/e's). Have bullets and nades (- flux) increase the shimmer of the cloak field for a short time. Makes the scout easier to see. Have flux nades deplete the available time remaining on the cloak by a certain percentage (33%?) possibly forcing the scout to retreat to recharge or engage before he is quite ready to. I don't think weapons should drop the cloak and do damage nor should flux nades drop the cloak and remove the scouts shields (I would love to see it , but I dont think it is fair). Wait... so you want me to stop putting uplinks behind the enemy team that is redlining you? Fool. I use Cloak + Uplink and the R/Es not really a problem. You don't need a cloak to get past the team redlining you. I was stuck in a match where my team were being redlined (I was killed as I spawned in twice) but within 2 minutes, if broken through the enemy line and stuck out an uplink. There were 16 in the match, but most weren't even spawning in. Suddenly, +25 kept popping up on my screen. I was using a scout with no cloak. My logi squad mate did the same within seconds of me. And REs are a problem- they can be deployed while invisible and detonated before uncloaking. @Patrillicus: i'm fair game for the flux nades but how much would 33% be on a basic? @ sir RAVEN WING: I alternate between compact or blueprint hives, stable links, basic cloak, basic or adv(rarely) proxy and re's,and basic needle and rep tool. C-c-c-combo breaker!! @Raptor Princess: cloak is very useful for getting around stragglers or getting rid of them so it goes both ways (cloaking or not) since you can go cloak and minimize long range targeting on you and avoid useless fights, while no cloak rather takes time and while both can seem role play-ish, I guess your the type that feels like you James Bond or Snake or Sly or whatever you fancy. I said guess because I have ran into people that went scout for that reason and all power to them but that's how they play (whatever percentage but IDGAF) while some play for others reasons like game functionality, if it's viable because of recent update or QQ (always something),or f**tard FOTMs but I just hope you you aren't not using it because of superiority being in so and so update, "People are complaining too much so i'm not going to be a part of that", or you feel a "rush" is better than playing careful or "smart" and using said confusion for so and so or increasing chances to get pass said squad (proto maybe) running around the map farming clones. Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder* Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 93	Posted - 2014.11.22 07:45:00 - [42] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Patrilicus wrote: Remove the 2nd equipment slot that scouts have. That way you will see a reduction in the number of scout suits using a cloak (+r/e's). Have bullets and nades (- flux) increase the shimmer of the cloak field for a short time. Makes the scout easier to see. Have flux nades deplete the available time remaining on the cloak by a certain percentage (33%?) possibly forcing the scout to retreat to recharge or engage before he is quite ready to. I don't think weapons should drop the cloak and do damage nor should flux nades drop the cloak and remove the scouts shields (I would love to see it , but I dont think it is fair). Wait... so you want me to stop putting uplinks behind the enemy team that is redlining you? Fool. I use Cloak + Uplink and the R/Es not really a problem. You don't need a cloak to get past the team redlining you. I was stuck in a match where my team were being redlined (I was killed as I spawned in twice) but within 2 minutes, if broken through the enemy line and stuck out an uplink. There were 16 in the match, but most weren't even spawning in. Suddenly, +25 kept popping up on my screen. I was using a scout with no cloak. My logi squad mate did the same within seconds of me. And REs are a problem- they can be deployed while invisible and detonated before uncloaking. @Patrillicus: i'm fair game for the flux nades but how much would 33% be on a basic? @ sir RAVEN WING: I alternate between compact or blueprint hives, stable links, basic cloak, basic or adv(rarely) proxy and re's,and basic needle and rep tool. C-c-c-combo breaker!! @Raptor Princess: cloak is very useful for getting around stragglers or getting rid of them so it goes both ways (cloaking or not) since you can go cloak and minimize long range targeting on you and avoid useless fights, while no cloak rather takes time and while both can seem role play-ish, I guess your the type that feels like you James Bond or Snake or Sly or whatever you fancy. I said guess because I have ran into people that went scout for that reason and all power to them but that's how they play (whatever percentage but IDGAF) while some play for others reasons like game functionality, if it's viable because of recent update or QQ (always something),or f***tard FOTMs but I just hope you you aren't not using it because of superiority being in so and so update, "People are complaining too much so i'm not going to be a part of that", or you feel a "rush" is better than playing careful or "smart" and using said confusion for so and so or increasing chances to get pass said squad (proto maybe) running around the map farming clones. But cloaks could easily be removed without impeding a team's ability to get past the redline. I've never once failed to get past a redlining team, even in a heavy frame (calmando). I don't care if cloaks are removed or not. I dont use them. I skilled up to level 1 to see what the fuss was about and hated it. I think that there needs to be further balance to address cloaked shotgunners and bolt pistol though and cloak + RE
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1519	Posted - 2014.11.22 16:36:00 - [43] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: You know I had to wonder what in the world was CCP thinking when it was good idea to put Cloaking in this game. Now the strategy in this game is completely @#$%. Element of surprise. Wow. I going to say this at first I didn't minded as much when playing Skirmish and Domination. Every time, Moving to Objective or Defend Objective, Capping the Flag, or just walking tore the objective . Get kill by Shot gunner in close range, getting shot from behind, it ridiculous. Then trying to shoot them, they go cloaked, Don't know where there going to kill u from, Option is, He Hide, Flank around, Or chase him down. Then boom your dead from behind. It get ignoring as hell, And I don't know need someone on here to tell me just sucked up and adopt. U know for the people that play it they brag about there proto suit, logi suit and gear, how much ISK and SP in a hours spent. CCP need to make a modules or weapon of some sort to counter it. Like Infrared scanning or heat seeker. Yes I know I have look at cloak field in marketplace if some of u trying to tell me it only use for short period of time 15,30,40 second of use, and 10, 15, 20 second of recharging. You wonder no new player will ever stay with this game long term. If you see a proto scout shimmering running in the distance you can easily mow him down, learn to look for cloaked scouts and they will stand out more. I think it's brilliant that they are defenseless (when making journeys across open ground) but have raised another one of their stats, that's risk and reward. They run the risk of losing a suit without the instant ability to shoot back (especially if you are tracking one way outside of shotgun range) and their reward is the advantage when entering a firefight. That's what the game is about, furthermore, if it's technology that exists within New Eden, then it fits here. It's futuristic, it makes sense, it's a sensible addition, I just don't think you quite know how to counter it. And throw into your logic the fact that I went 61-3 with a STD scout with STD shotgun and 200hp without a cloak. Admit that the scout playstyle is easy sometimes, but also devastating, and a lot of the best players, are scouts. A lot of the time it's not that they were cloaked, it's that they were better than you. And if they were better than you, they'll be able to destroy with no cloak without a problem, then what will you say? Say scouts are the problem? If you keep passing the blame, then you only have yourself to blame. Also, use a cloak yourself, it's like being underwater, you can't hear anything, there is an additional risk right there. I love the feeling that running around cloaked gives me, it's stealth, it's a new technique to add into the gameplay which makes dust a more diverse game, you don't just run around and shoot each other. I have embarrassed cloaked scouts before, because they thought the had the advantage, but they didn't. They were outside of range, they stand out cloaked, and sometimes they're helpless, it's like killing a heavy who is crossing open ground, they can't do anything about it, just learn to position yourself. Scouts will creep up on you, so don't camp, don't stay still and use a surround sound headset if you have one. What's the saying, adapt or die? DUST VIDEOS
Destructive Habits Universal Protectors of the Universe 4	Posted - 2014.11.25 00:09:00 - [44] - Quote Cordera Ray is 100% done with this thread. Click here for a BPO Assault Rifle, a BPO SMG and a BPO Militia Dropsuit.


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