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sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 230	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:34:00 - [1] - Quote This is to scream our views at each other until the Min/Grey/Amarr make us take a small break so they can get more popcorn. (Please don't ask us to stop arguing about this topic as I'm simply trying to make a place for it to go instead of clogging up other threads.) GO! *For The State!*
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 6000	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:38:00 - [2] - Quote Amarr/Min don't need such a room. Everyone already knows Amarr is superior. NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 25	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:39:00 - [3] - Quote **** them Caldari bitches!!!!
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 25	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:40:00 - [4] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: **** them Caldari bitches!!!! Why did it not edit the "b-word"? Is that not a bad word in some countries?
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 231	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:40:00 - [5] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Amarr/Min don't need such a room. Everyone already knows Amarr is superior. Haha, don't start an arguement here or I'll have to create another Debate room for the Min/Amarr Also I thought they had a mutual respect? *For The State!*
Riruodo Heaven's Lost Property 485	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:40:00 - [6] - Quote I like Cal everything. Especially light blue Cal Heavies, which I find adorable. Gal, well... uhm... I like their scouts, but from certain angles their head looks too small. their assaults are cool too, but I don't like any of their color schemes yet. Gal Assaults are kind of cool though in that they look like swimmers, because of their really broad shoulders. That's kind of sexy. I think all of the male mercs look way too bulky. but I've only made one male merc for fun (amarr). that's my view. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 231	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:41:00 - [7] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Summa Militum wrote: ** them Caldari bitches!!!! Why did it not edit the "b-word"? Is that not a bad word in some countries? *: A dog of the female sex. For The State!**
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 6001	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:42:00 - [8] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Amarr/Min don't need such a room. Everyone already knows Amarr is superior. Haha, don't start an arguement here or I'll have to create another Debate room for the Min/Amarr Also I thought they had a mutual respect? i'm not starting an argument, im saying there is nothing to argue about. NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Riruodo Heaven's Lost Property 485	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:47:00 - [9] - Quote It's kind of hard to pick a side because both sides have a lot of good things about them, and a lot of bad things too. Or at least that's the impression I got from reading Templar One. Yes, I've read Templar One. No, that doesn't mean I know a lot about Eve. For a book that claims to bridge the link between Eve Online and Dust 514, it offers surprisingly little lore. But at least I now know the meaning behind 514, and a possible meaning for why Legion is named Legion. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1058	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:51:00 - [10] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Summa Militum wrote: ** them Caldari bitches!!!! Why did it not edit the "b-word"? Is that not a bad word in some countries? ***: A dog of the female sex. When in that context, the Gallente... actually don't seem much more perverted. I'm sure they already do that... Please, make my Opus pretty...

Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 284	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:53:00 - [11] - Quote I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 233	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:55:00 - [12] - Quote Riruodo wrote: It's kind of hard to pick a side because both sides have a lot of good things about them, and a lot of bad things too. Or at least that's the impression I got from reading Templar One. Yes, I've read Templar One. No, that doesn't mean I know a lot about Eve. For a book that claims to bridge the link between Eve Online and Dust 514, it offers surprisingly little lore. But at least I now know the meaning behind 514, and a possible meaning for why Legion is named Legion. Can you send me a Dustmail? I wish to know the answer to 514. *For The State!*
Riruodo Heaven's Lost Property 486	Posted - 2014.11.14 07:59:00 - [13] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large, even at great personal sacrifice. He is a true hero. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 235	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:02:00 - [14] - Quote Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... *For The State!*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14597	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:05:00 - [15] - Quote There literally is nothing to debate. The Amarr know we are the chosen of God and the rightful inheritors of all beneath the heavens...but this Caldari-Gallente conflict is a complete mess of pretext with the occasional scrap of historiographical fact. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Riruodo Heaven's Lost Property 486	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:08:00 - [16] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... well, to say this might put Mens Reppola at risk... but no, he does not. He (and Ishukone) only do so because without pretending to be supportive of the state they would easily be bought out and destroyed by the other mega corporations. It's a conflicting position because he wants to see the best for Caldari, but also for everyone too. so it's a dangerous road he walks (and one that has already cost him his family and closest friends). But Ishukone lead the research into clone research to try to save the universe from an impending doom, and Ishukone has poured tons of R &D into creating a vaccine to the slavery drug that the Amarr have developed as well. Not to mention that in game, they are at the head of development in the fields of nanohives and medicine. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14599	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:11:00 - [17] - Quote Riruodo wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... well, to say this might put Mens Reppola at risk... but no, he does not. He (and Ishukone) only do so because without pretending to be supportive of the state they would easily be bought out and destroyed by the other mega corporations. It's a conflicting position because he wants to see the best for Caldari, but also for everyone too. so it's a dangerous road he walks (and one that has already cost him his family and closest friends). But Ishukone lead the research into clone research to try to save the universe from an impending doom, and Ishukone has poured tons of R &D into creating a vaccine to the slavery drug that the Amarr have developed as well. Not to mention that in game, they are at the head of development in the fields of nanohives and medicine. edit: actually, that's not fair. He does support the state, just not under it's current head director. It also cost former Ishukone CEO Otro Gariushi his life as well. ((However OOC Otro was at best a pirate and a mass murderer. His final wish to give the false Minmatar leader , Meatlu Shakor, the Insorum antidote catalysed the almost apocalyptic invasion of the Amarr Empire which cost trillions their lives for the sake of old enmity over a people that did not even identify with the Matari at the time)) "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."* -Kador Ouryon
Riruodo Heaven's Lost Property 486	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:14:00 - [18] - Quote exactly as true adamance said. I love Ishukone, but their future looks pretty bleak atm. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 250	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:38:00 - [19] - Quote Well we seem to be peaceful in areas designed for loyalists verbally attacking each other's faction... yet seem so violent in areas made for other reasons... Then again... I just have to wait for Sgt. Kirk and Ark to get here... They always are fun to argue with... and beating them 2v1 in an argument will be very satisfying... I must now wait... *For The State!*
Riruodo Heaven's Lost Property 487	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:41:00 - [20] - Quote I should have been asleep two hours ago... I'm going to be so sleepy tomorrow... but sir Raven Wing, I sent you a message telling you what 514 means. keep it a secret because that means there's more of a mystery to the game. and it gives lore hunters something to try to discover. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 251	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:45:00 - [21] - Quote Riruodo wrote: I should have been asleep two hours ago... I'm going to be so sleepy tomorrow... but sir Raven Wing, I sent you a message telling you what 514 means. keep it a secret because that means there's more of a mystery to the game. and it gives lore hunters something to try to discover. Thanks, I'll check it next time I get a chance! *For The State!*
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1070	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:42:00 - [22] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... Its not an ally of the state it is apart of the state. Each megacorporation is apart of the state kinda similar to the 50 states (mini countries) of america. Each with their own laws own army own culture. Some corporations are more patriotic some liberal. Caldari are very diverse not just brainless drones like the gallente try to think they are. I guarantee you no gallente knows the Caldari peoples favorite sport We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1070	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:48:00 - [23] - Quote Riruodo wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... well, to say this might put Mens Reppola at risk... but no, he does not. He (and Ishukone) only do so because without pretending to be supportive of the state they would easily be bought out and destroyed by the other mega corporations. It's a conflicting position because he wants to see the best for Caldari, but also for everyone too. so it's a dangerous road he walks (and one that has already cost him his family and closest friends). But Ishukone lead the research into clone research to try to save the universe from an impending doom, and Ishukone has poured tons of R &D into creating a vaccine to the slavery drug that the Amarr have developed as well. Not to mention that in game, they are at the head of development in the fields of nanohives and medicine. *edit: actually, that's not fair. He does support the state, just not under it's current head director. I'll say this once Otro Gariushi was a lot better ceo than mens We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19090	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:58:00 - [24] - Quote Riruodo wrote: Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large, even at great personal sacrifice. Ishukone are cool folks. It's a shame the rest of the State prosecute them for it. sir RAVEN WING wrote: Well we seem to be peaceful in areas designed for loyalists verbally attacking each other's faction... yet seem so violent in areas made for other reasons... Then again... I just have to wait for Sgt. Kirk and Ark to get here... They always are fun to argue with... and beating them 2v1 in an argument will be very satisfying... I must now wait... I'm sorry, but even if you knew your lore, you wouldn't win. Why? It's an internet argument. Internet arguments are never won. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 252	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:13:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Riruodo wrote: Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large, even at great personal sacrifice. Ishukone are cool folks. It's a shame the rest of the State prosecute them for it. sir RAVEN WING wrote: Well we seem to be peaceful in areas designed for loyalists verbally attacking each other's faction... yet seem so violent in areas made for other reasons... Then again... I just have to wait for Sgt. Kirk and Ark to get here... They always are fun to argue with... and beating them 2v1 in an argument will be very satisfying... I must now wait... I'm sorry, but even if you knew your lore, you wouldn't win. Why? It's an internet argument. Internet arguments are never won. I'm actually sad that I won't fight alongside you... and now I'm over it The Gallente have a large amount of spawnkillers, have you seen any? *For The State!*
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19090	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:15:00 - [26] - Quote FW has teamkillers everywhere. It's kind of sad tbh. I'd rather win a match fairly than have some random idiots on the other team screw over any chance of their resistance. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 259	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:32:00 - [27] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: FW has teamkillers everywhere. It's kind of sad tbh. I'd rather win a match fairly than have some random idiots on the other team screw over any chance of their resistance. Yeah, kinda sad when you only see the death screen... HAV LAV ADS HAV HAV HAV HAV Battle won Thank goodness for cloaked scout getting past the MMC spawn killing (Really, how did they manage that?) I'd rather fight the enemy rather than see that they killed me before I could open my eyes Well fought ten battles 7 wins, 3 terrible losses GG to you gallenteans! *For The State!*
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 293	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:02:00 - [28] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... Its not an ally of the state it is apart of the state. Each megacorporation is apart of the state kinda similar to the 50 states (mini countries) of america. Each with their own laws own army own culture. Some corporations are more patriotic some liberal. Caldari are very diverse not just brainless drones like the gallente try to think they are. I guarantee you no gallente knows the Caldari peoples favorite sport There is one word nobody seems to care about (as to be expected by the masses brainwashed by the corporate dominators). Democracy! I wonder if the corporations where so effective at "producing" their human material that you are unable to see the difference between a privately owned institution and one elected by the public. You only exist because you are cheaper to produce than robots. Rise, noble Caldari people and shake off the shackles of the corporations that own you! They may take our lives... but they'll never take ... our freedooooom! The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14631	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:07:00 - [29] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Riruodo wrote: Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large, even at great personal sacrifice. Ishukone are cool folks. It's a shame the rest of the State prosecute them for it. sir RAVEN WING wrote: Well we seem to be peaceful in areas designed for loyalists verbally attacking each other's faction... yet seem so violent in areas made for other reasons... Then again... I just have to wait for Sgt. Kirk and Ark to get here... They always are fun to argue with... and beating them 2v1 in an argument will be very satisfying... I must now wait... I'm sorry, but even if you knew your lore, you wouldn't win. Why? It's an internet argument. Internet arguments are never won. Also, you're hideously wrong, but we'll get to that. Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14631	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:09:00 - [30] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... Its not an ally of the state it is apart of the state. Each megacorporation is apart of the state kinda similar to the 50 states (mini countries) of america. Each with their own laws own army own culture. Some corporations are more patriotic some liberal. Caldari are very diverse not just brainless drones like the gallente try to think they are. I guarantee you no gallente knows the Caldari peoples favorite sport There is one word nobody seems to care about (as to be expected by the masses brainwashed by the corporate dominators). Democracy! I wonder if the corporations where so effective at "producing" their human material that you are unable to see the difference between a privately owned institution and one elected by the public. You only exist because you are cheaper to produce than robots. Rise, noble Caldari people and shake off the shackles of the corporations that own you! They may take our lives... but they'll never take ... our freedooooom! Freedom means nothing unless absolute subservience is understood. Only through such toil and hardship can a man truly understand the values you speak of. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon

Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 293	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:40:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. Great RPing there man As a Gallente I believe youre entitled to your beliefs man, and I am the last one to deny the outrageous war-crimes of the government or the pretty fassades and rotten core of the Crystal Boulevard. But there is one reason, why the Gallente culture will outshine the other empires: The ability to adapt new ideas, beliefs, systems and cultures more easily and integrate them into our own. The Amarr will stagnate, the Caldari will liberate themselves from dictatorship, the Minmatar ... well ... they are on the right track ;) The ability to change, learn, integrate versus dogma and exclusion and the inhumanity of efficiency. There is no chance you will last unchanged. As for the stupid government idiots in the seats atm? Next election they will go down (and I didnt vote them anyway)! The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14633	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:54:00 - [32] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: True Adamance wrote: Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. Great RPing there man As a Gallente I believe youre entitled to your beliefs man, and I am the last one to deny the outrageous war-crimes of the government or the pretty fassades and rotten core of the Crystal Boulevard. But there is one reason, why the Gallente culture will outshine the other empires: The ability to adapt new ideas, beliefs, systems and cultures more easily and integrate them into our own. The Amarr will stagnate, the Caldari will liberate themselves from dictatorship, the Minmatar ... well ... they are on the right track ;) The ability to change, learn, integrate versus dogma and exclusion and the inhumanity of efficiency. There is no chance you will last unchanged. As for the stupid government idiots in the seats atm? Next election they will go down (and I didnt vote them anyway)! By stagnate do you mean rapidly adapt to and harness the potency of new and improved military technologies in the form of the Strategic Destroyer? That same destroyer your own empire failed miserably in the aquistion of research materials during its developmental stages. God be good to your people if it should be so even the false and backwards Shakorite regime of the Matari did a better job that your own scientists.... This is somewhat of an embarrassment for the Federation is it not? However besides God's own omnipotence the Amarrian spirit is perhaps the most adamantine and enduring force under the heavens, and given time all shall see the merits of a united and whole cluster under the rule of God's chosen. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7852	Posted - 2014.11.15 16:09:00 - [33] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Amarr/Min don't need such a room. Everyone already knows Amarr is superior. Haha, don't start an arguement here or I'll have to create another Debate room for the Min/Amarr Also I thought they had a mutual respect? Only between their respective militias and only on the forums and in the space taverns. That being said, there would still be nothing to really argue about. Amarr believe fervently in their god and the rights that it gives them, and the Minmatar basically say "Not while we're standing" and resist. That's basically it. It's like trying to fend off unwanted advances from a drunk guy who keeps saying "It'll be alright, I'm fine". The Minmatar had been used as slaves for centuries, and had finally decided that they had had enough. They rose up and rebelled, in a move that still surprises the Amarrian Citizens and Military to this day (Propaganda had painted them as "Poor wenches in need of assistance (but at the same time a source of manpower lol)). The citizens were surprised by their strength, and is being forced to re-evaluate them from their previous assumptions. The Military is still trying to figure out how the hell we managed to pull off the things we did, such as when we trashed most of the 7th fleet in The Bleak Lands. They fight to reclaim their slaves, which they believe is a mercy mission (To convert the poor people who know no better) and the Minmatar are fighting to show them they won't be controlled and that they are at least equal to them (The Amarr has always considered them Inferior). What I always find interesting to note is how similar the two races are in relation to familial ties. True Amarr place a VERY high respect on family bonds, considering them sacred and unbreakable. At the same time, the Minmatar believe strongly in their respective clans. Almost makes me think that the Amarr were very much like the Minmatar long ago, and that they rose above clans with religion, and came to where they are today. Hence why they feel such a need to bring the Minmatar up to their level glory through the same means. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1038	Posted - 2014.11.15 16:31:00 - [34] - Quote Riruodo wrote: exactly as true adamance said. I love Ishukone, but their future looks pretty bleak atm. and Mens is 10000x the man otro was. but to be fair, Otro didn't know that the Minmatar Republic would wage war against the Amarr like they did. Well... it was kind of obvious though, so maybe he just didn't want to see the truth. In his defense, Otro was still a much better guy than the rest of the Caldari CEOs (well, alright. That's not saying much), and vastly improved the lives of countless Ishukone employees and by extension their families... As for his criminal history... hey, nobody's perfect
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7855	Posted - 2014.11.15 16:33:00 - [35] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: As for his criminal history... hey, nobody's perfect I can imagine a few Amarr who would argue that. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 273	Posted - 2014.11.15 19:16:00 - [36] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: True Adamance wrote: Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. Great RPing there man As a Gallente I believe you're entitled to your beliefs man, and I am the last one to deny the outrageous war-crimes of the government or the pretty facades and rotten core of the Crystal Boulevard. But there is one reason, why the Gallente culture will outshine the other empires: The ability to adapt new ideas, beliefs, systems and cultures more easily and integrate them into our own. The Amarr will stagnate, the Caldari will liberate themselves from dictatorship, the Minmatar ... well ... they are on the right track ;) The ability to change, learn, integrate versus dogma and exclusion and the inhumanity of efficiency. There is no chance you will last unchanged. As for the stupid government idiots in the seats atm? Next election they will go down (and I didn't vote them anyway)! (It's probably going to be one soon :p) No, that one reason will be the ball and chain of the Gallente. Why? It is because you are too diverse with too many people populating your worlds, it will be like gathering 2,000 people with very little in common (Being they are all gallente) and telling them "Adapt! Change!" Yes, some will, but there will be a large number (Hell, in the federation 2% is a large number) that will refuse (In this case I'd look at the Intaki((Raven also happens to be part Intaki in IGS)) as for the others... The Caldari: We would change only when needed and would do so easily, but with some grumbles... (:P) The Amarr: They won't change. Maybe if something big happened (Like slavery being outlawed, or the amarrian faith) Other than that I can not see them changing much. The Minmatar: The quickest in my eyes to change when change is needed, but I know too little about them (other than their rebellion) to predict what would happen. *Pal'Ahm kim kama'Ahm*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14642	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:11:00 - [37] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: lol)). The citizens were surprised by their strength, and is being forced to re-evaluate them from their previous assumptions. The Military is still trying to figure out how the hell we managed to pull off the things we did, such as when we trashed most of the 7th fleet in The Bleak Lands. Sorry when terrorists and capsuleers not aligned with your government won several small victories over them that eventually ground to a halt as the Defiants were routed and annihilated. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7863	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:20:00 - [38] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: lol)). The citizens were surprised by their strength, and is being forced to re-evaluate them from their previous assumptions. The Military is still trying to figure out how the hell we managed to pull off the things we did, such as when we trashed most of the 7th fleet in The Bleak Lands. Sorry when terrorists and capsuleers not aligned with your government won several small victories over them that eventually ground to a halt as the Defiants were routed and annihilated. Hey, Capsuleers did most of the work for you too EVElopedia wrote: Despite the destruction of their defensive cortex, the 7th Fleet maintained an aggressive posture, thanks partly to loyalist capsuleer forces serving as guards for military complexes. Thanks to the efforts of cloaked scouts, they were able to ambush the Defiants during a resupply mission in Kurniainen, destroying two capital ships, one battleship, eight cruisers, and four frigate class hulls. The victory was short lived, however, as the Defiants mounted a massive counter offensive. In several coordinated strikes, the Defiants destroyed eight key military installations throughout the Sasen constellation. The 7th Fleet quickly recovered, thanks in part to their capsuleer allies, and stepped up their assaults on the Defiants. It seemed they would wind up the victors, when Admiral Saracen was suddenly recalled to the Throne Worlds on the order of Chamberlain Karsoth. Reports soon emerged that the fleet had clashed with local Holders, some of them turning violent. Saracen additionally had apparently been acting independently from Imperial Navy orders. ... Shortly after, the remnants of the 7th Fleet was transferred to Aridia to defend against possible Serpentis incursions.The Fleet was bolstered with the remnants of the Kador Family fleet, following the latter's confiscation by Empress Jamyl I. Spin it how you want, but the fight over The Bleak Lands was overall a major loss for the Amarr Navy. You lost most of the fleet AND one of your Admirals. EVElopedia wrote: The victory was short lived, however, as the Defiants mounted a massive counter offensive. In several coordinated strikes, the Defiants destroyed eight key military installations throughout the Sasen constellation. "Several Small Victories" Also: You need to reinforce your ground teams. I've only seen scattered resistance from the Amarr this morning. We now hold the Majority in all systems, with two areas over 60%. Can't say too much about the space game though. Dotlan isn't looking pretty. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 30	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:27:00 - [39] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Summa Militum wrote: ** them Caldari bitches!!!! Why did it not edit the "b-word"? Is that not a bad word in some countries? *: A dog of the female sex. Well that answers that question. A *** is a female dog but it can also be used in a derogatory manner.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1889	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:29:00 - [40] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: This is to scream our views at each other until the Min/Grey/Amarr make us take a small break so they can get more popcorn. (Please don't ask us to stop arguing about this topic as I'm simply trying to make a place for it to go instead of clogging up other threads.) GO! gallente are hypocrital debauched tyrants who are "your with us or against us!" mentality.. if you do not believe me read the chronicles.. they even rammed a space station killing 242k normal (not immortal) people just to make a point [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1890	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:31:00 - [41] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Summa Militum wrote: ** them Caldari bitches!!!! Why did it not edit the "b-word"? Is that not a bad word in some countries? *: A dog of the female sex. Well that answers that question. A *** is a female dog but it can also be used in a derogatory manner. its because that word was turned into a derrogitary term by ill educated oafs and then abhored by people who claim free speech yet get over sensative when people excersize free speech [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1965	Posted - 2014.11.15 21:04:00 - [42] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions..... Please elaborate, I fail to see how his heroic week long stand against a larger force can be seen as a blunder of epic proportions. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 533	Posted - 2014.11.18 10:28:00 - [43] - Quote If this is place for GAL/cal debate,what those amarrian are doing here? Did they not found any room to enslave Fck the kdr,i`m going in
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14747	Posted - 2014.11.18 10:35:00 - [44] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions..... Please elaborate, I fail to see how his heroic week long stand against a larger force can be seen as a blunder of epic proportions. Crashing a Capital Class vessel into a populated city is not a legitimate means of allaying cultural tension and stands to this day as one of the Caldari State's most infamous attacks and fodder for the States detractors. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 322	Posted - 2014.11.18 10:36:00 - [45] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: If this is place for GAL/cal debate,what those amarrian are doing here? Did they not found any room to enslave What? People are welcome here until they start fussing about everyone else arguing... *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 371	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:00:00 - [46] - Quote ((So that's why this died... it was moved to IGS despite being made for GD... damn GM)) *"I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."*
Hunter Junko Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 310	Posted - 2014.11.21 04:22:00 - [47] - Quote since im currently employed by ishukone, i'd like to say that since Cal-prime, they've given me a chance to enact a semi-normal life, away from most of the fighting. all im going to say is that they've done right by me, so when the time comes i'll do right by them. that and i already have the necessary papers to do equally well elsewhere should i decide to move to greener pastures, or retire and settle down in my home reigons That being said, i need more popcorn :D
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 372	Posted - 2014.11.21 04:37:00 - [48] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: since im currently employed by ishukone, i'd like to say that since Cal-prime, they've given me a chance to enact a semi-normal life, away from most of the fighting. all im going to say is that they've done right by me, so when the time comes i'll do right by them. that and i already have the necessary papers to do equally well elsewhere should i decide to move to greener pastures, or retire and settle down in my home reigons That being said, i need more popcorn :D Nice seeing this room isn't made of just me. I was employed by Ishukone for a while. ((On a side note, I'm making a Team RP to make up for the failure of my last one, better than last time I assure you... oh and I'm ripping off Alcyone's 'structure'... You'll understand better when you see it... It'll be called Bloodline... almost done writing something for it... )) *"I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."*
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19231	Posted - 2014.11.21 17:07:00 - [49] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. Of course there are a dozen atrocities, on either side, that can't be justified, as much as the most outspoken supporters would wish them to be. War is a bloody business, and with every calamity people become only more inclined to hate. We look back at the happenings of centuries past and point fingers, but I highly doubt it was as simple an affair as many claim it to have been. While I find that our philosophies have something in common - the belief that war is a consequence of misguided people - claiming your own acts of viciousness are 'morally just' because of your belief in the unproveable existence of a god thoroughly repulses me. How simple it must be, to be secure in your zealotry and the fervent belief that some ephemeral entity will reward you for your actions. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14970	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:32:00 - [50] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. Of course there are a dozen atrocities, on either side, that can't be justified, as much as the most outspoken supporters would wish them to be. War is a bloody business, and with every calamity people become only more inclined to hate. We look back at the happenings of centuries past and point fingers, but I highly doubt it was as simple an affair as many claim it to have been. While I find that our philosophies have something in common - the belief that war is a consequence of misguided people - claiming your own acts of viciousness are 'morally just' because of your belief in the unproveable existence of a god thoroughly repulses me. How simple it must be, to be so secure in your zealotry and the fervent belief that some ephemeral entity will reward you for your actions. Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...

Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 352	Posted - 2014.11.24 07:59:00 - [51] - Quote I don't even know where to begin in this thread, so I suppose I'll keep to the overall trend in summit 'debate' and assume that I am the clear appointed victor in this conversation before it even begins and blindly claim that my side is superior for the sure reason that I was born into it. Yes, I believe that will suffice. Now where do we go from here? Shouting matches? Historically inaccurate statements? Perhaps personal attacks? I am rather fond of those. *Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!* > --Confirmed Badguy Cera YC116--
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.11.24 08:26:00 - [52] - Quote Sorry Galm, the place (It was made in GD... for GD...) is just me and the maintenance crew... they aren't even here that much! (Why does IGS seem so... dead?) AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19350	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:12:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived. Affirming, perhaps, verifying, certainly not. Your faith is blind. A terrible fate. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. RATTATI WHERE IS MY DUEL
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15003	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:53:00 - [54] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived. Affirming, perhaps, verifying, certainly not. Your faith is blind. A terrible fate. Faith is not blind it is fundamentally encompassing of all things. It looks to all things and seeks only to illuminate and correct that which is incorrect. The mere act of affirming God through prayer, action, and scripture is to verify his existence for all mankind be they of the Faith or not. The presence of God in New Eden is undeniable even in the Gallentean Federation where many billions worship god through off shoots of the Faith. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19364	Posted - 2014.11.24 22:56:00 - [55] - Quote It is hardly undeniable. It does not exist. There, I have denied it. It does not matter how many people insist on something, it does not make it true if it is not so. There is no evidence of god, only a blind insistence by the ignorant. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. RATTATI WHERE IS MY DUEL
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15008	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:36:00 - [56] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It is hardly undeniable. It does not exist. There, I have denied it. It does not matter how many people insist on something, it does not make it true if it is not so. There is no evidence of god, only a blind insistence by the ignorant. Indeed. Man is ignorant. All men are so by design, to be anything but would be Godly and no man can be alike to one as God. As I have said the purpose of Faith is the journey or spiritual pilgrimage seeking affirmation of what cannot be percieved. Existence has been variously defined as, but more so in common usage, as the world one is aware or conscious of, and that which persists independent of one's absence. Other definitions describe it as everything that 'is', or more simply, everything. Other's would additionally define existence as concept that people unanimously accept to be truth even beyond their cognitive capacity. In many instances one cannot physically see forces like gravity, potential energies, etc but they can see the effects these forces have on corporeal things, additionally many simply cannot explain or understand the fundamental forces that exist in their universe taking them on "truth" from those who believe they can. Universally a Gallentean might accept the concept of gravity on the word of a scientist, having seen specific instances of its effects but not be able to explain why this force exists, what causes the phenomenon, or be able to explain it to another individual with any degree of authority, yet gravity is considered to "exist" is it not? It exists. It always existed before your ancestors of my ancestors found the knowledge and scientific process to identify and categorise it. It is in this way that the Amarr accept the realities of the divine forces that guide our people and in the concept of God, as best we can describe it, in the same way as other might accept the other unseen forces that comprise the universe around us. It could be argued by the teaching of the theological council that New Eden itself is manifest of God's own will, the ascension of His chosen children is nothing but His mandate and providence, and that our transcendent cause and way of life is result of His influence and an example of the divine forces at work. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19387	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:51:00 - [57] - Quote Gravity can be tested. Gravity can be proved. Gravity can be defined. God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15047	Posted - 2014.11.25 23:07:00 - [58] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Gravity can be tested. Gravity can be proved. Gravity can be defined. God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour. At one time Gravity could not be tested. At one time Gravity could not be proven. At one time Gravity could not be defined. Are you suggesting that it did not fundamentally exist during the aforementioned times? Because the development of processes that could measure and define this force, called scientific process, are of the same ilk, constantly developing, being iterated on, as are the social and theological tenets of the Faith. Arkena do not patronise me. My cultures scientific advancements are as notable if not more so that your Federations. The Amarr have recently proven thus putting your people to shame in the development of Tech 3 Destroyers. You assume scientific reason and Faith cannot exist side by side. That is a fallacy. They most certainly can as man seeks to understand and quantify the processes of existence, for the sake of better understanding how God lavished his miracles upon us. God is simply ineffable. What He is cannot yet be adequately described by language, try as we might to achieve such loft goals, in order to properly describe God language must evolve further in the same way our understanding of the universe does. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19398	Posted - 2014.11.26 16:54:00 - [59] - Quote True Adamance wrote: At one time Gravity could not be tested. At one time Gravity could not be proven. At one time Gravity could not be defined. Are you suggesting that it did not fundamentally exist during the aforementioned times? Because the development of processes that could measure and define this force, called scientific process, are of the same ilk, constantly developing, being iterated on, as are the social and theological tenets of the Faith. I would like to know at what point in human history gravity could not be observed. When our ancestors dropped a ball, did it hover until someone decided that there should be gravity? It is a basic principle of science that one should have at least some evidence for a theory before proposing it. You have none, yet you devote yourselves to it regardless. There is a significant difference accepting that not everything can yet be explained, and insisting that something you have not explained exists. The former is a part of science, the latter is not. You speak to me of your Empire's scientific progress, but I would note that some of your greatest scientists did not believe in your faith. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 511	Posted - 2014.11.26 17:13:00 - [60] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: At one time Gravity could not be tested. At one time Gravity could not be proven. At one time Gravity could not be defined. Are you suggesting that it did not fundamentally exist during the aforementioned times? Because the development of processes that could measure and define this force, called scientific process, are of the same ilk, constantly developing, being iterated on, as are the social and theological tenets of the Faith. I would like to know at what point in human history gravity could not be observed. When our ancestors dropped a ball, did it hover until someone decided that there should be gravity? It is a basic principle of science that one should have at least some evidence for a theory before proposing it. You have none, yet you devote yourselves to it regardless. There is a significant difference accepting that not everything can yet be explained, and insisting that something you have not explained exists. The former is a part of science, the latter is not. You speak to me of your Empire's scientific progress, but I would note that some of your greatest scientists did not believe in your faith. A wayist watching a templar and a Gallente argue... I must say that True, despite how ridiculous his faith's afterlife is, should be inclined to believe as he wishes and speak however he wish. That is how the Gallente seem to think with their idea of 'Freedom' Also putting my faith aside and trying to help True's faith, just look around, under you, above, around, even you came to exist somehow. Faith explains it, science does not. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19401	Posted - 2014.11.26 17:33:00 - [61] - Quote Faith pretends to explain it. I do not disregard the possibility of a divine entity existing. I do, however, object to the rigid obsession the Amarrians have. Based on nothing but irrational convictions, they have butchered and enslaved for centuries. Worlds subjugated, cultures crushed, and people exterminated. It goes against everything I believe in, and principles of logic and reason have never supported them. The existence of a divine entity does not mandate the Amarrian's religious crusades. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 514	Posted - 2014.11.26 17:46:00 - [62] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Faith pretends to explain it. I do not disregard the possibility of a divine entity existing. I do, however, object to the rigid obsession the Amarrians have. Based on nothing but irrational convictions, they have butchered and enslaved for centuries. Worlds subjugated, cultures crushed, and people exterminated. It goes against everything I believe in, and principles of logic and reason have never supported them. The existence of a divine entity does not mandate the Amarrian's religious crusades. Yet you fight us? Accuse us too! I do agree that destroying cultures (much like the Gallente try to do at times) is wrong and I see the Caldari and Amarr's alliance a fragile one. We destroy you, amarr turn on us, then it will become quantity vs quality. Hopefully quality will win there. I'd agree on a alliance with the federation to make sure they don't try to convert every single person ever to live, but I'd be wary of the federation due to it having a good place to backstab the Caldari. I used to wish that the Gallente would accept the fact we don't want you controlling us... that was replaced by pure hatred long ago, a hatred of your people fueled by your people's actions. Well things can't be changed by one person on the ground... Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19405	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:01:00 - [63] - Quote The Gallente aren't trying to control the Caldari. They're trying to ensure that their cities aren't razed and their worlds aren't auctioned off. Not only is it falsely accusatory, but it's also rather hypocritical of you to point fingers at the Federation for destroying cultures. Let's look at the Intaki example. When the Intaki were discovered, the Gallente respected their culture, assisted them technologically, and ultimately the Intaki evolved naturally into their own entity - the Intaki Assembly, an entity which remains distinct to this day. The Caldari took zero interest in the Intaki, and focused on developing their secret colonies. When the Caldari encountered the Achura while building these colonies, they crushed them and instated Caldari rule. Some time later, the Intaki homeworld found itself being auctioned by the Caldari. The Caldari decry the Gallenteans for holding Caldari Prime (which is primarily inhabited by ethnic Gallente), complain about the loss of their culture, how precious their homeworld is, and then they go ahead and literally sell the Intaki homeworld for industry, a world steeped in culture and the birthplace of a people. Frankly, the war and secession never should have happened. They wouldn't have happened, either, except people were quite ludicrously provocative. In case you ever find yourself a diplomat, let me advise you that in the event of a solid ally getting upset with you for secretly building a military, the correct way of dealing with that ally is not to immediately break off all alliances with them and then blow up one of their cities. If the Gallente were truly bent on conquering the Caldari, there is little you could do to stop them. The Caldari State is under half the size of the Federation - if the Federation chose to throw everything into crushing the Caldari, it would happen. It would be bloody in the extreme, but it would happen. Similarly, if the Amarr Empire threw everything into assaulting the Federation, the Federation would almost certainly lose. Again, it would be bloody in the extreme, but in the end that is how it would play out. Nobody wants to go into a full scale war, though, exactly because of how insanely costly it would be. All the empires would make any conquest of them a long and grinding war at best. The Amarr have ridiculously large fleets and are the largest group in the cluster. The Caldari have a highly militarised state where everyone in their small population is required to serve. The Gallente have the strongest economy in New Eden, and the Minmatar have a habit of coming back to bite their conquerors as well as being far more closely allied with the Federation than the Amarr are allied with the Caldari. If it came down to it, though, and the empires all went full military, the Amarr would win. Not that there'd be many people left, after that. As any war drags on, sides get more desperate and more brutalities happen. Given the obscene amount of damage modern weaponry can do, I would be unsurprised to see doomsday weapons deployed against planetary populations. The Caldari have already almost tried it. As for why I fight the Caldari as well as the Amarr: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2458442#post2458442 You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 516	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:46:00 - [64] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The Gallente aren't trying to control the Caldari. They're trying to ensure that their cities aren't razed and their worlds aren't auctioned off. Not only is it falsely accusatory, but it's also rather hypocritical of you to point fingers at the Federation for destroying cultures. Let's look at the Intaki example. When the Intaki were discovered, the Gallente respected their culture, assisted them technologically, and ultimately the Intaki evolved naturally into their own entity - the Intaki Assembly, an entity which remains distinct to this day. The Caldari took zero interest in the Intaki, and focused on developing their secret colonies. When the Caldari encountered the Achura while building these colonies, they crushed them and instated Caldari rule. Some time later, the Intaki homeworld found itself being auctioned by the Caldari. The Caldari decry the Gallenteans for holding Caldari Prime (which is primarily inhabited by ethnic Gallente), complain about the loss of their culture, how precious their homeworld is, and then they go ahead and literally sell the Intaki homeworld for industry, a world steeped in culture and the birthplace of a people. Frankly, the war and secession never should have happened. They wouldn't have happened, either, except people were quite ludicrously provocative. In case you ever find yourself a diplomat, let me advise you that in the event of a solid ally getting upset with you for secretly building a military, the correct way of dealing with that ally is not to immediately break off all alliances with them and then blow up one of their cities. If the Gallente were truly bent on conquering the Caldari, there is little you could do to stop them. The Caldari State is under half the size of the Federation - if the Federation chose to throw everything into crushing the Caldari, it would happen. It would be bloody in the extreme, but it would happen. Similarly, if the Amarr Empire threw everything into assaulting the Federation, the Federation would almost certainly lose. Again, it would be bloody in the extreme, but in the end that is how it would play out. Nobody wants to go into a full scale war, though, exactly because of how insanely costly it would be. All the empires would make any conquest of them a long and grinding war at best. The Amarr have ridiculously large fleets and are the largest group in the cluster. The Caldari have a highly militarised state where everyone in their small population is required to serve. The Gallente have the strongest economy in New Eden, and the Minmatar have a habit of coming back to bite their conquerors as well as being far more closely allied with the Federation than the Amarr are allied with the Caldari. If it came down to it, though, and the empires all went full military, the Amarr would win. Not that there'd be many people left, after that. As any war drags on, sides get more desperate and more brutalities happen. Given the obscene amount of damage modern weaponry can do, I would be unsurprised to see doomsday weapons deployed against planetary populations. The Caldari have already almost tried it. As for why I fight the Caldari as well as the Amarr: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2458442#post2458442 Well at least we didn't tear down their cultural building to replace with facilities, we may not have been the best to them, but we have been better than you. You make us look the villains, and we may look like that on the surface just as you look the heroes on the surface, but there is more than that. ((I don't know how that came out... :/)) The Caldari would survive an attack, just as any empire with us 'immortals' would, until the loyalists like us are gone there will be war. You (again) say the extremist group is us as a whole, that is wrong, we are flawed, but we are different than you. ((Okay things are coming out the wrong way)) Uh... I'll be back soon... ((I'm going to find what a certain person said)) also please stop saying "The Caldari were smaller so they destroyed a city and began war." ((paraphrasing abit)) *For The State!*
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19412	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:53:00 - [65] - Quote Paraphrasing a lot, and incorrectly. So you say that you are better than us. How? Quote: Well at least we didn't tear down their cultural building to replace with facilities, we may not have been the best to them, but we have been better than you. This is exactly what you did. Even monasteries were razed if they were on a convenient mining site. How is this better than our respectful treatment of the Intaki, exactly? By the way, your extremist group was your government for a while. It's not really much good saying that they weren't representative of you, because they most certainly were. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15089	Posted - 2014.11.26 23:08:00 - [66] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Paraphrasing a lot, and incorrectly. So you say that you are better than us. How? Quote: Well at least we didn't tear down their cultural building to replace with facilities, we may not have been the best to them, but we have been better than you. This is exactly what you did. Even monasteries were razed if they were on a convenient mining site. How is this better than our respectful treatment of the Intaki, exactly? By the way, your extremist group was your government for a while. It's not really much good saying that they weren't representative of you, because they most certainly were. As I understand it the Sukuivestaa Megacorporation rather brutally annexed the Achuran home world...... Moreover Arkena if Denak were still with us, God preserve that man, I doubt he would agree with you all that much regarding the treatment of the Intaki people. I would hazard to suggest that it is a testament to your lack of respectful treatment of the Matari that organisations like the Intaki Syndicate, Intaki Liberation Front, and groups like I-RED in the region are attempting to stabilise Placid and prevent the home world of one of your primary bloodlines from being designated Low Security Space and one of the regions CONCORD allows capsuleers to fight over. That is poor treatment indeed for people you claim to hold as equals. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 519	Posted - 2014.11.26 23:33:00 - [67] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Paraphrasing a lot, and incorrectly. So you say that you are better than us. How? Quote: Well at least we didn't tear down their cultural building to replace with facilities, we may not have been the best to them, but we have been better than you. This is exactly what you did. Even monasteries were razed if they were on a convenient mining site. How is this better than our respectful treatment of the Intaki, exactly? By the way, your extremist group was your government for a while. It's not really much good saying that they weren't representative of you, because they most certainly were. I need to stop talking to so many of their capsuleers... Seem to hate us both, but us quite a bit less... *For The State!*
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 353	Posted - 2014.11.27 04:33:00 - [68] - Quote Gods, spirits, winds, and the Allfather will no true sons or daughters of the State step forward to adequately represent us in this debate? (And I use the term debate more loosely than a rifter bolt, believe me you.) The tact and decorum in here is hopelessly disgusting in a way I'm sure only a deteis and a federation politician can manage. I on the other hand have no qualms about being direct if only to prove that not all my countrymen are incompetent. Ehm... And no offense to the Templar but this does seem outside of his forte. The folly of my fellow Caldari henceforth has been to attempt to justify are actions to you in relation to Federation politics. I don't expect you to be able to think beyond your station and understand the occupation of foreign planets from a Caldari standpoint. First of all, your claim that the State simply conquered the Achura homeworld after a brutal occupation was entirely without merit. Though Gallente textbooks may paint a different story, history forgets that the Achura were once a forgotten fragment of the Gallente homogeneity just as the Caldari once where. When we chose to break free form the Gallente, so too did the Achura. They were a meek people, utterly defensive against your rampant government trying to forcibly bind the universe to your law. The Caldari offered them hope as our protectorate, offering necessary protection and economic aid at the cost of their own sovereignty. What you may perceive as occupation were brave patriots keeping the watch for our own kindred spirits, and in time Achura became a closely trusted and valued member of the Caldari State. They were never our prisoners, they were our brothers. As for the occupation of the Intaki homeworld, you fail to understand certain vital aspects about the State administration. First of all, the Intaki culture was never in danger of being suppressed by State control. The Intaki Ida and the Caldari Way bare more in common than the Intaki Assembly and the Gallente Federation share among themselves. The State when out of our way following the war to grant Intaki sympathizers their own land within the State to practice their beliefs as a member of the Caldari. My father, rest his soul, sough to their sovereignty as a paramilitary during the Waschi Uprising. The Intaki were conquered as a military target out of necessity to liberate our own homeworld, a key stepping stone between us and Luminaire to reclaim what was rightfully our planet. The supposed evil of auctioning off Intaki Prime was nothing other than a well established method of organizing a stable government in Intaki. When CONCORD slated Intaki as a limited engagement zone, the Syndicate became little more than a lawless territory turned into a glassed hellscape between our warring factions. Organizing proper relief efforts for the Intaki people required more than the Provist lead military could accomplish, especially in a time of war. In a corporation led state, auctioning off the planet was not as simple as "buying the Intaki out" as your government may claim. Once a planet is under corporation control, the corporate administration can get to work on forming a rule of law. Ishukone spending untold sums to claim ownership of Intaki was not a sign of greed, but infinite compassion and willingness to claim the responsibility of Intaki citizens. After a preliminary corporate dictatorship, I have little doubt that in peacetime once order was established and infrastructure maintained, the system would begin to gravitate to a meritocractic institution that valued the Intaki as equals just as the Achura. This is all to say nothing of the Dragonaur mercenaries and the role they played in erecting a necessary invasion force. For all the discontent generated in the wake of the fascist policies Heth put in place, the Provists were no doubt effective in their ability to mobilize a nation. *Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!* > --Confirmed Badguy Cera YC116--
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6387	Posted - 2014.12.14 07:15:00 - [69] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Gravity can be tested. Gravity can be proved. Gravity can be defined. God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour. God is just another name for that that created all and keeps all in balance. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9567	Posted - 2015.02.14 07:16:00 - [70] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Gravity can be tested. Gravity can be proved. Gravity can be defined. God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour. God is just another name for that that created all and keeps all in balance. So you're saying CCP is god? *~New Eden's #1 Gallente Arm's Dealer*

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 3074	Posted - 2015.02.28 19:12:00 - [71] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Gravity can be tested. Gravity can be proved. Gravity can be defined. God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour. God is just another name for that that created all and keeps all in balance. So you're saying CCP is god? Silly you, they keep thing unbalanced. *Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!"* - Edgar Allan Poe CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice. I will steal his hamsters!


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RATTATI WHERE IS MY DUEL

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Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.

Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.

For The State!

For The State!