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Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
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Posted - 2014.11.15 11:40:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments.
All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just.
Great RPing there man 
As a Gallente I believe youre entitled to your beliefs man, and I am the last one to deny the outrageous war-crimes of the government or the pretty fassades and rotten core of the Crystal Boulevard.
But there is one reason, why the Gallente culture will outshine the other empires: The ability to adapt new ideas, beliefs, systems and cultures more easily and integrate them into our own. The Amarr will stagnate, the Caldari will liberate themselves from dictatorship, the Minmatar ... well ... they are on the right track ;)
The ability to change, learn, integrate versus dogma and exclusion and the inhumanity of efficiency. There is no chance you will last unchanged. As for the stupid government idiots in the seats atm? Next election they will go down (and I didnt vote them anyway)!
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14633
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Posted - 2014.11.15 11:54:00 -
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Hansei Kaizen wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments.
All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just.
Great RPing there man As a Gallente I believe youre entitled to your beliefs man, and I am the last one to deny the outrageous war-crimes of the government or the pretty fassades and rotten core of the Crystal Boulevard. But there is one reason, why the Gallente culture will outshine the other empires: The ability to adapt new ideas, beliefs, systems and cultures more easily and integrate them into our own. The Amarr will stagnate, the Caldari will liberate themselves from dictatorship, the Minmatar ... well ... they are on the right track ;) The ability to change, learn, integrate versus dogma and exclusion and the inhumanity of efficiency. There is no chance you will last unchanged. As for the stupid government idiots in the seats atm? Next election they will go down (and I didnt vote them anyway)!
By stagnate do you mean rapidly adapt to and harness the potency of new and improved military technologies in the form of the Strategic Destroyer?
That same destroyer your own empire failed miserably in the aquistion of research materials during its developmental stages. God be good to your people if it should be so even the false and backwards Shakorite regime of the Matari did a better job that your own scientists.... This is somewhat of an embarrassment for the Federation is it not?
However besides God's own omnipotence the Amarrian spirit is perhaps the most adamantine and enduring force under the heavens, and given time all shall see the merits of a united and whole cluster under the rule of God's chosen.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7852
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Posted - 2014.11.15 16:09:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Amarr/Min don't need such a room.
Everyone already knows Amarr is superior. Haha, don't start an arguement here or I'll have to create another Debate room for the Min/Amarr Also I thought they had a mutual respect?
Only between their respective militias and only on the forums and in the space taverns.
That being said, there would still be nothing to really argue about. Amarr believe fervently in their god and the rights that it gives them, and the Minmatar basically say "Not while we're standing" and resist. That's basically it. It's like trying to fend off unwanted advances from a drunk guy who keeps saying "It'll be alright, I'm fine".
The Minmatar had been used as slaves for centuries, and had finally decided that they had had enough. They rose up and rebelled, in a move that still surprises the Amarrian Citizens and Military to this day (Propaganda had painted them as "Poor wenches in need of assistance (but at the same time a source of manpower lol)). The citizens were surprised by their strength, and is being forced to re-evaluate them from their previous assumptions.
The Military is still trying to figure out how the hell we managed to pull off the things we did, such as when we trashed most of the 7th fleet in The Bleak Lands.
They fight to reclaim their slaves, which they believe is a mercy mission (To convert the poor people who know no better) and the Minmatar are fighting to show them they won't be controlled and that they are at least equal to them (The Amarr has always considered them Inferior).
What I always find interesting to note is how similar the two races are in relation to familial ties.
True Amarr place a VERY high respect on family bonds, considering them sacred and unbreakable. At the same time, the Minmatar believe strongly in their respective clans. Almost makes me think that the Amarr were very much like the Minmatar long ago, and that they rose above clans with religion, and came to where they are today. Hence why they feel such a need to bring the Minmatar up to their level glory through the same means.
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MrShooter01
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
1038
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Posted - 2014.11.15 16:31:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:exactly as true adamance said. I love Ishukone, but their future looks pretty bleak atm.
and Mens is 10000x the man otro was.
but to be fair, Otro didn't know that the Minmatar Republic would wage war against the Amarr like they did. Well... it was kind of obvious though, so maybe he just didn't want to see the truth.
In his defense, Otro was still a much better guy than the rest of the Caldari CEOs (well, alright. That's not saying much), and vastly improved the lives of countless Ishukone employees and by extension their families...
As for his criminal history... hey, nobody's perfect  |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7855
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Posted - 2014.11.15 16:33:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:As for his criminal history... hey, nobody's perfect
I can imagine a few Amarr who would argue that.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
273
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Posted - 2014.11.15 19:16:00 -
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Hansei Kaizen wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments.
All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just.
Great RPing there man As a Gallente I believe you're entitled to your beliefs man, and I am the last one to deny the outrageous war-crimes of the government or the pretty facades and rotten core of the Crystal Boulevard. But there is one reason, why the Gallente culture will outshine the other empires: The ability to adapt new ideas, beliefs, systems and cultures more easily and integrate them into our own. The Amarr will stagnate, the Caldari will liberate themselves from dictatorship, the Minmatar ... well ... they are on the right track ;) The ability to change, learn, integrate versus dogma and exclusion and the inhumanity of efficiency. There is no chance you will last unchanged. As for the stupid government idiots in the seats atm? Next election they will go down (and I didn't vote them anyway)!
(It's probably going to be one soon :p)
No, that one reason will be the ball and chain of the Gallente. Why? It is because you are too diverse with too many people populating your worlds, it will be like gathering 2,000 people with very little in common (Being they are all gallente) and telling them "Adapt! Change!" Yes, some will, but there will be a large number (Hell, in the federation 2% is a large number) that will refuse (In this case I'd look at the Intaki((Raven also happens to be part Intaki in IGS)) as for the others...
The Caldari: We would change only when needed and would do so easily, but with some grumbles... (:P)
The Amarr: They won't change. Maybe if something big happened (Like slavery being outlawed, or the amarrian faith) Other than that I can not see them changing much.
The Minmatar: The quickest in my eyes to change when change is needed, but I know too little about them (other than their rebellion) to predict what would happen.
Pal'Ahm kim kama'Ahm
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:11:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote: lol)). The citizens were surprised by their strength, and is being forced to re-evaluate them from their previous assumptions.
The Military is still trying to figure out how the hell we managed to pull off the things we did, such as when we trashed most of the 7th fleet in The Bleak Lands.
Sorry when terrorists and capsuleers not aligned with your government won several small victories over them that eventually ground to a halt as the Defiants were routed and annihilated.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7863
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote: lol)). The citizens were surprised by their strength, and is being forced to re-evaluate them from their previous assumptions.
The Military is still trying to figure out how the hell we managed to pull off the things we did, such as when we trashed most of the 7th fleet in The Bleak Lands.
Sorry when terrorists and capsuleers not aligned with your government won several small victories over them that eventually ground to a halt as the Defiants were routed and annihilated.
Hey, Capsuleers did most of the work for you too
EVElopedia wrote:
Despite the destruction of their defensive cortex, the 7th Fleet maintained an aggressive posture, thanks partly to loyalist capsuleer forces serving as guards for military complexes. Thanks to the efforts of cloaked scouts, they were able to ambush the Defiants during a resupply mission in Kurniainen, destroying two capital ships, one battleship, eight cruisers, and four frigate class hulls.
The victory was short lived, however, as the Defiants mounted a massive counter offensive. In several coordinated strikes, the Defiants destroyed eight key military installations throughout the Sasen constellation.
The 7th Fleet quickly recovered, thanks in part to their capsuleer allies, and stepped up their assaults on the Defiants. It seemed they would wind up the victors, when Admiral Saracen was suddenly recalled to the Throne Worlds on the order of Chamberlain Karsoth. Reports soon emerged that the fleet had clashed with local Holders, some of them turning violent. Saracen additionally had apparently been acting independently from Imperial Navy orders.
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Shortly after, the remnants of the 7th Fleet was transferred to Aridia to defend against possible Serpentis incursions.The Fleet was bolstered with the remnants of the Kador Family fleet, following the latter's confiscation by Empress Jamyl I.
Spin it how you want, but the fight over The Bleak Lands was overall a major loss for the Amarr Navy. You lost most of the fleet AND one of your Admirals.
EVElopedia wrote:
The victory was short lived, however, as the Defiants mounted a massive counter offensive. In several coordinated strikes, the Defiants destroyed eight key military installations throughout the Sasen constellation.
"Several Small Victories" 
Also: You need to reinforce your ground teams. I've only seen scattered resistance from the Amarr this morning. We now hold the Majority in all systems, with two areas over 60%.
Can't say too much about the space game though. Dotlan isn't looking pretty.
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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
30
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:27:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Summa Militum wrote:**** them Caldari bitches!!!!
Why did it not edit the "b-word"? Is that not a bad word in some countries? *****: A dog of the female sex.
Well that answers that question. A ***** is a female dog but it can also be used in a derogatory manner. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1889
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:29:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:This is to scream our views at each other until the Min/Grey/Amarr make us take a small break so they can get more popcorn.
(Please don't ask us to stop arguing about this topic as I'm simply trying to make a place for it to go instead of clogging up other threads.)
GO!
gallente are hypocrital debauched tyrants who are "your with us or against us!" mentality.. if you do not believe me read the chronicles..
they even rammed a space station killing 242k normal (not immortal) people just to make a point
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1890
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:31:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Summa Militum wrote:**** them Caldari bitches!!!!
Why did it not edit the "b-word"? Is that not a bad word in some countries? *****: A dog of the female sex. Well that answers that question. A ***** is a female dog but it can also be used in a derogatory manner.
its because that word was turned into a derrogitary term by ill educated oafs and then abhored by people who claim free speech yet get over sensative when people excersize free speech
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1965
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Posted - 2014.11.15 21:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions.....
Please elaborate, I fail to see how his heroic week long stand against a larger force can be seen as a blunder of epic proportions.
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Kaalaka dakka tamer
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
533
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Posted - 2014.11.18 10:28:00 -
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If this is place for GAL/cal debate,what those amarrian are doing here?
Did they not found any room to enslave
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.18 10:35:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions.....
Please elaborate, I fail to see how his heroic week long stand against a larger force can be seen as a blunder of epic proportions.
Crashing a Capital Class vessel into a populated city is not a legitimate means of allaying cultural tension and stands to this day as one of the Caldari State's most infamous attacks and fodder for the States detractors.
"The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 10:36:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:If this is place for GAL/cal debate,what those amarrian are doing here?
Did they not found any room to enslave
What? People are welcome here until they start fussing about everyone else arguing...
Love your enemy for he toughens you.
Love your state for it protects you
Love your work
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
371
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Posted - 2014.11.21 03:00:00 -
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((So that's why this died... it was moved to IGS despite being made for GD... damn GM))
"I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."
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Hunter Junko
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
310
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Posted - 2014.11.21 04:22:00 -
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since im currently employed by ishukone, i'd like to say that since Cal-prime, they've given me a chance to enact a semi-normal life, away from most of the fighting.
all im going to say is that they've done right by me, so when the time comes i'll do right by them.
that and i already have the necessary papers to do equally well elsewhere should i decide to move to greener pastures, or retire and settle down in my home reigons
That being said, i need more popcorn :D |
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
372
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Posted - 2014.11.21 04:37:00 -
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Hunter Junko wrote: since im currently employed by ishukone, i'd like to say that since Cal-prime, they've given me a chance to enact a semi-normal life, away from most of the fighting.
all im going to say is that they've done right by me, so when the time comes i'll do right by them.
that and i already have the necessary papers to do equally well elsewhere should i decide to move to greener pastures, or retire and settle down in my home reigons
That being said, i need more popcorn :D
Nice seeing this room isn't made of just me.
I was employed by Ishukone for a while.
((On a side note, I'm making a Team RP to make up for the failure of my last one, better than last time I assure you... oh and I'm ripping off Alcyone's 'structure'... You'll understand better when you see it... It'll be called Bloodline... almost done writing something for it... ))
"I shall fight for my people until I can't come back."
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19231
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments.
All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just.
Of course there are a dozen atrocities, on either side, that can't be justified, as much as the most outspoken supporters would wish them to be. War is a bloody business, and with every calamity people become only more inclined to hate. We look back at the happenings of centuries past and point fingers, but I highly doubt it was as simple an affair as many claim it to have been.
While I find that our philosophies have something in common - the belief that war is a consequence of misguided people - claiming your own acts of viciousness are 'morally just' because of your belief in the unproveable existence of a god thoroughly repulses me.
How simple it must be, to be secure in your zealotry and the fervent belief that some ephemeral entity will reward you for your actions.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.24 02:32:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments.
All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just.
Of course there are a dozen atrocities, on either side, that can't be justified, as much as the most outspoken supporters would wish them to be. War is a bloody business, and with every calamity people become only more inclined to hate. We look back at the happenings of centuries past and point fingers, but I highly doubt it was as simple an affair as many claim it to have been. While I find that our philosophies have something in common - the belief that war is a consequence of misguided people - claiming your own acts of viciousness are 'morally just' because of your belief in the unproveable existence of a god thoroughly repulses me. How simple it must be, to be so secure in your zealotry and the fervent belief that some ephemeral entity will reward you for your actions.
Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
352
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Posted - 2014.11.24 07:59:00 -
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I don't even know where to begin in this thread, so I suppose I'll keep to the overall trend in summit 'debate' and assume that I am the clear appointed victor in this conversation before it even begins and blindly claim that my side is superior for the sure reason that I was born into it.
Yes, I believe that will suffice. Now where do we go from here? Shouting matches? Historically inaccurate statements? Perhaps personal attacks? I am rather fond of those.
Kirjuun! Uakan!
Teknikiara!
Kanpai kameitsamuu!
Ra ra ra!
> --Confirmed Badguy Cera YC116--
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.24 08:26:00 -
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Sorry Galm, the place (It was made in GD... for GD...) is just me and the maintenance crew... they aren't even here that much!
(Why does IGS seem so... dead?)
AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19350
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived.
Affirming, perhaps, verifying, certainly not.
Your faith is blind. A terrible fate.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
RATTATI WHERE IS MY DUEL
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:53:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived.
Affirming, perhaps, verifying, certainly not. Your faith is blind. A terrible fate.
Faith is not blind it is fundamentally encompassing of all things. It looks to all things and seeks only to illuminate and correct that which is incorrect.
The mere act of affirming God through prayer, action, and scripture is to verify his existence for all mankind be they of the Faith or not. The presence of God in New Eden is undeniable even in the Gallentean Federation where many billions worship god through off shoots of the Faith.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19364
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Posted - 2014.11.24 22:56:00 -
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It is hardly undeniable.
It does not exist.
There, I have denied it. It does not matter how many people insist on something, it does not make it true if it is not so. There is no evidence of god, only a blind insistence by the ignorant.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
RATTATI WHERE IS MY DUEL
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.24 23:36:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It is hardly undeniable.
It does not exist.
There, I have denied it. It does not matter how many people insist on something, it does not make it true if it is not so. There is no evidence of god, only a blind insistence by the ignorant.
Indeed. Man is ignorant. All men are so by design, to be anything but would be Godly and no man can be alike to one as God. As I have said the purpose of Faith is the journey or spiritual pilgrimage seeking affirmation of what cannot be percieved.
Existence has been variously defined as, but more so in common usage, as the world one is aware or conscious of, and that which persists independent of one's absence. Other definitions describe it as everything that 'is', or more simply, everything. Other's would additionally define existence as concept that people unanimously accept to be truth even beyond their cognitive capacity.
In many instances one cannot physically see forces like gravity, potential energies, etc but they can see the effects these forces have on corporeal things, additionally many simply cannot explain or understand the fundamental forces that exist in their universe taking them on "truth" from those who believe they can.
Universally a Gallentean might accept the concept of gravity on the word of a scientist, having seen specific instances of its effects but not be able to explain why this force exists, what causes the phenomenon, or be able to explain it to another individual with any degree of authority, yet gravity is considered to "exist" is it not?
It exists. It always existed before your ancestors of my ancestors found the knowledge and scientific process to identify and categorise it.
It is in this way that the Amarr accept the realities of the divine forces that guide our people and in the concept of God, as best we can describe it, in the same way as other might accept the other unseen forces that comprise the universe around us.
It could be argued by the teaching of the theological council that New Eden itself is manifest of God's own will, the ascension of His chosen children is nothing but His mandate and providence, and that our transcendent cause and way of life is result of His influence and an example of the divine forces at work.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19387
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:51:00 -
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Gravity can be tested.
Gravity can be proved.
Gravity can be defined.
God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15047
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Gravity can be tested.
Gravity can be proved.
Gravity can be defined.
God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour.
At one time Gravity could not be tested.
At one time Gravity could not be proven.
At one time Gravity could not be defined.
Are you suggesting that it did not fundamentally exist during the aforementioned times? Because the development of processes that could measure and define this force, called scientific process, are of the same ilk, constantly developing, being iterated on, as are the social and theological tenets of the Faith.
Arkena do not patronise me. My cultures scientific advancements are as notable if not more so that your Federations. The Amarr have recently proven thus putting your people to shame in the development of Tech 3 Destroyers.
You assume scientific reason and Faith cannot exist side by side. That is a fallacy. They most certainly can as man seeks to understand and quantify the processes of existence, for the sake of better understanding how God lavished his miracles upon us.
God is simply ineffable. What He is cannot yet be adequately described by language, try as we might to achieve such loft goals, in order to properly describe God language must evolve further in the same way our understanding of the universe does.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19398
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:54:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
At one time Gravity could not be tested.
At one time Gravity could not be proven.
At one time Gravity could not be defined.
Are you suggesting that it did not fundamentally exist during the aforementioned times? Because the development of processes that could measure and define this force, called scientific process, are of the same ilk, constantly developing, being iterated on, as are the social and theological tenets of the Faith.
I would like to know at what point in human history gravity could not be observed.
When our ancestors dropped a ball, did it hover until someone decided that there should be gravity?
It is a basic principle of science that one should have at least some evidence for a theory before proposing it.
You have none, yet you devote yourselves to it regardless.
There is a significant difference accepting that not everything can yet be explained, and insisting that something you have not explained exists. The former is a part of science, the latter is not.
You speak to me of your Empire's scientific progress, but I would note that some of your greatest scientists did not believe in your faith.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:
At one time Gravity could not be tested.
At one time Gravity could not be proven.
At one time Gravity could not be defined.
Are you suggesting that it did not fundamentally exist during the aforementioned times? Because the development of processes that could measure and define this force, called scientific process, are of the same ilk, constantly developing, being iterated on, as are the social and theological tenets of the Faith.
I would like to know at what point in human history gravity could not be observed. When our ancestors dropped a ball, did it hover until someone decided that there should be gravity? It is a basic principle of science that one should have at least some evidence for a theory before proposing it. You have none, yet you devote yourselves to it regardless. There is a significant difference accepting that not everything can yet be explained, and insisting that something you have not explained exists. The former is a part of science, the latter is not. You speak to me of your Empire's scientific progress, but I would note that some of your greatest scientists did not believe in your faith.
A wayist watching a templar and a Gallente argue...
I must say that True, despite how ridiculous his faith's afterlife is, should be inclined to believe as he wishes and speak however he wish. That is how the Gallente seem to think with their idea of 'Freedom'
Also putting my faith aside and trying to help True's faith, just look around, under you, above, around, even you came to exist somehow. Faith explains it, science does not.
Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.
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