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Hansei Kaizen wrote:

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

sir RAVEN WING wrote:

Riruodo wrote:

Hansei Kaizen wrote:

I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER!

So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. Cool

I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word.

Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large.

He is a true hero.

So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State?
o7
Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail...

Its not an ally of the state it is apart of the state. Each megacorporation is apart of the state kinda similar to the 50 states (mini countries) of america. Each with their own laws own army own culture. Some corporations are more patriotic some liberal. Caldari are very diverse not just brainless drones like the gallente try to think they are. I guarantee you no gallente knows the Caldari peoples favorite sport

There is one word nobody seems to care about (as to be expected by the masses brainwashed by the corporate dominators). Democracy!

I wonder if the corporations where so effective at "producing" their human material that you are unable to see the difference between a privately owned institution and one elected by the public. You only exist because you are cheaper to produce than robots. Rise, noble Caldari people and shake off the shackles of the corporations that own you! They may take our lives... but they'll never take ... our freedooooom! Pirate

"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14597	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:05:00 - [1] - Quote There literally is nothing to debate. The Amarr know we are the chosen of God and the rightful inheritors of all beneath the heavens...but this Caldari-Gallente conflict is a complete mess of pretext with the occasional scrap of historiographical fact. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14599	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:11:00 - [2] - Quote Riruodo wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... well, to say this might put Mens Reppola at risk... but no, he does not. He (and Ishukone) only do so because without pretending to be supportive of the state they would easily be bought out and destroyed by the other mega corporations. It's a conflicting position because he wants to see the best for Caldari, but also for everyone too. so it's a dangerous road he walks (and one that has already cost him his family and closest friends). But Ishukone lead the research into clone research to try to save the universe from an impending doom, and Ishukone has poured tons of R &D into creating a vaccine to the slavery drug that the Amarr have developed as well. Not to mention that in game, they are at the head of development in the fields of nanohives and medicine. edit: actually, that's not fair. He does support the state, just not under it's current head director. It also cost former Ishukone CEO Otro Gariushi his life as well. ((However OOC Otro was at best a pirate and a mass murderer. His final wish to give the false Minmatar leader , Meatlu Shakor, the Insorum antidote catalysed the almost apocalyptic invasion of the Amarr Empire which cost trillions their lives for the sake of old enmity over a people that did not even identify with the Matari at the time)) "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."* -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14631	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:07:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Riruodo wrote: Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large, even at great personal sacrifice. Ishukone are cool folks. It's a shame the rest of the State prosecute them for it. sir RAVEN WING wrote: Well we seem to be peaceful in areas designed for loyalists verbally attacking each other's faction... yet seem so violent in areas made for other reasons... Then again... I just have to wait for Sgt. Kirk and Ark to get here... They always are fun to argue with... and beating them 2v1 in an argument will be very satisfying... I must now wait... I'm sorry, but even if you knew your lore, you wouldn't win. Why? It's an internet argument. Internet arguments are never won. Also, you're hideously wrong, but we'll get to that. Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14631	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:09:00 - [4] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Riruodo wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I love Caldari Stuff. Weapons, Suits, Shields, Designs. But sucking up to corporations? NEVER! So I'll use your gear thank you very much, but I wont quit being a decadent lazy frogeater. I'm not a huge fan of corporations either, but Caldari has a few people that I would classify "good" in every sense of the word. Mens Reppola is a hero and I would gladly devote myself to serving Ishukone under his leadership. Seriously, in Templar One he is one of the few that actively tries to do what is right to protect those under his watch and the universe at large. He is a true hero. So you would ally yourself with a corporation that allies itself with the State? o7 Also if what you say is true than he is a true hero! I would do the same, but most probably fail... Its not an ally of the state it is apart of the state. Each megacorporation is apart of the state kinda similar to the 50 states (mini countries) of america. Each with their own laws own army own culture. Some corporations are more patriotic some liberal. Caldari are very diverse not just brainless drones like the gallente try to think they are. I guarantee you no gallente knows the Caldari peoples favorite sport There is one word nobody seems to care about (as to be expected by the masses brainwashed by the corporate dominators). Democracy! I wonder if the corporations where so effective at "producing" their human material that you are unable to see the difference between a privately owned institution and one elected by the public. You only exist because you are cheaper to produce than robots. Rise, noble Caldari people and shake off the shackles of the corporations that own you! They may take our lives... but they'll never take ... our freedooooom! Freedom means nothing unless absolute subservience is understood. Only through such toil and hardship can a man truly understand the values you speak of. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14633	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:54:00 - [5] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: True Adamance wrote: Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. Great RPing there man As a Gallente I believe youre entitled to your beliefs man, and I am the last one to deny the outrageous war-crimes of the government or the pretty fassades and rotten core of the Crystal Boulevard. But there is one reason, why the Gallente culture will outshine the other empires: The ability to adapt new ideas, beliefs, systems and cultures more easily and integrate them into our own. The Amarr will stagnate, the Caldari will liberate themselves from dictatorship, the Minmatar ... well ... they are on the right track ;) The ability to change, learn, integrate versus dogma and exclusion and the inhumanity of efficiency. There is no chance you will last unchanged. As for the stupid government idiots in the seats atm? Next election they will go down (and I didnt vote them anyway)! By stagnate do you mean rapidly adapt to and harness the potency of new and improved military technologies in the form of the Strategic Destroyer? That same destroyer your own empire failed miserably in the aquistion of research materials during its developmental stages. God be good to your people if it should be so even the false and backwards Shakorite regime of the Matari did a better job that your own scientists.... This is somewhat of an embarrassment for the Federation is it not? However besides God's own omnipotence the Amarrian spirit is perhaps the most adamantine and enduring force under the heavens, and given time all shall see the merits of a united and whole cluster under the rule of God's chosen. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14642	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:11:00 - [6] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: lol)). The citizens were surprised by their strength, and is being forced to re-evaluate them from their previous assumptions. The Military is still trying to figure out how the hell we managed to pull off the things we did, such as when we trashed most of the 7th fleet in The Bleak Lands. Sorry when terrorists and capsuleers not aligned with your government won several small victories over them that eventually ground to a halt as the Defiants were routed and annihilated. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14747	Posted - 2014.11.18 10:35:00 - [7] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions..... Please elaborate, I fail to see how his heroic week long stand against a larger force can be seen as a blunder of epic proportions. Crashing a Capital Class vessel into a populated city is not a legitimate means of allaying cultural tension and stands to this day as one of the Caldari State's most infamous attacks and fodder for the States detractors. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14970	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:32:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Moreover even if an argument could be started there is not way to morally justify the Rouvenor Bombings, Tovil Toba's blunder of epic proportions...... nor to for the Gallente and their Admiral Noir and murderous Orbital Bombardments. All these things were done by unjust men who knew not the Faith nor God. Only actions wrought in His name can truly be considered morally just. Of course there are a dozen atrocities, on either side, that can't be justified, as much as the most outspoken supporters would wish them to be. War is a bloody business, and with every calamity people become only more inclined to hate. We look back at the happenings of centuries past and point fingers, but I highly doubt it was as simple an affair as many claim it to have been. While I find that our philosophies have something in common - the belief that war is a consequence of misguided people - claiming your own acts of viciousness are 'morally just' because of your belief in the unproveable existence of a god thoroughly repulses me. How simple it must be, to be so secure in your zealotry and the fervent belief that some ephemeral entity will reward you for your actions. Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15003	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:53:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Is that not the fundamental purpose of faith? The process of affirming and verifying that which cannot be otherwise perceived. Affirming, perhaps, verifying, certainly not. Your faith is blind. A terrible fate. Faith is not blind it is fundamentally encompassing of all things. It looks to all things and seeks only to illuminate and correct that which is incorrect. The mere act of affirming God through prayer, action, and scripture is to verify his existence for all mankind be they of the Faith or not. The presence of God in New Eden is undeniable even in the Gallentean Federation where many billions worship god through off shoots of the Faith. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15008	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:36:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It is hardly undeniable. It does not exist. There, I have denied it. It does not matter how many people insist on something, it does not make it true if it is not so. There is no evidence of god, only a blind insistence by the ignorant. Indeed. Man is ignorant. All men are so by design, to be anything but would be Godly and no man can be alike to one as God. As I have said the purpose of Faith is the journey or spiritual pilgrimage seeking affirmation of what cannot be percieved. Existence has been variously defined as, but more so in common usage, as the world one is aware or conscious of, and that which persists independent of one's absence. Other definitions describe it as everything that 'is', or more simply, everything. Other's would additionally define existence as concept that people unanimously accept to be truth even beyond their cognitive capacity. In many instances one cannot physically see forces like gravity, potential energies, etc but they can see the effects these forces have on corporeal things, additionally many simply cannot explain or understand the fundamental forces that exist in their universe taking them on "truth" from those who believe they can. Universally a Gallentean might accept the concept of gravity on the word of a scientist, having seen specific instances of its effects but not be able to explain why this force exists, what causes the phenomenon, or be able to explain it to another individual with any degree of authority, yet gravity is considered to "exist" is it not? It exists. It always existed before your ancestors of my ancestors found the knowledge and scientific process to identify and categorise it. It is in this way that the Amarr accept the realities of the divine forces that guide our people and in the concept of God, as best we can describe it, in the same way as other might accept the other unseen forces that comprise the universe around us. It could be argued by the teaching of the theological council that New Eden itself is manifest of God's own will, the ascension of His chosen children is nothing but His mandate and providence, and that our transcendent cause and way of life is result of His influence and an example of the divine forces at work. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15047	Posted - 2014.11.25 23:07:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Gravity can be tested. Gravity can be proved. Gravity can be defined. God cannot. All the basic tenets of science which brought humanity so far are cast away in religious fervour. At one time Gravity could not be tested. At one time Gravity could not be proven. At one time Gravity could not be defined. Are you suggesting that it did not fundamentally exist during the aforementioned times? Because the development of processes that could measure and define this force, called scientific process, are of the same ilk, constantly developing, being iterated on, as are the social and theological tenets of the Faith. Arkena do not patronise me. My cultures scientific advancements are as notable if not more so that your Federations. The Amarr have recently proven thus putting your people to shame in the development of Tech 3 Destroyers. You assume scientific reason and Faith cannot exist side by side. That is a fallacy. They most certainly can as man seeks to understand and quantify the processes of existence, for the sake of better understanding how God lavished his miracles upon us. God is simply ineffable. What He is cannot yet be adequately described by language, try as we might to achieve such loft goals, in order to properly describe God language must evolve further in the same way our understanding of the universe does. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15089	Posted - 2014.11.26 23:08:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Paraphrasing a lot, and incorrectly. So you say that you are better than us. How? Quote: Well at least we didn't tear down their cultural building to replace with facilities, we may not have been the best to them, but we have been better than you. This is exactly what you did. Even monasteries were razed if they were on a convenient mining site. How is this better than our respectful treatment of the Intaki, exactly? By the way, your extremist group was your government for a while. It's not really much good saying that they weren't representative of you, because they most certainly were. As I understand it the Sukuivestaa Megacorporation rather brutally annexed the Achuran home world...... Moreover Arkena if Denak were still with us, God preserve that man, I doubt he would agree with you all that much regarding the treatment of the Intaki people. I would hazard to suggest that it is a testament to your lack of respectful treatment of the Matari that organisations like the Intaki Syndicate, Intaki Liberation Front, and groups like I-RED in the region are attempting to stabilise Placid and prevent the home world of one of your primary bloodlines from being designated Low Security Space and one of the regions CONCORD allows capsuleers to fight over. That is poor treatment indeed for people you claim to hold as equals. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...