DUST Search - Cloak delay lengthened!

CCP Rattati wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak.

What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire.

I am not sure why things were changed the way they were.

Thanks guys, yes we did some changes, not ninja though it's all documented on the Features and Ideas forum.

Changing the decloak animation to zero as we ended up doing before 1.9, was a hack. We always wanted to have cloaked players gradually appear with the swirling animation, as it actually is more noticieable than just "tada!".

So now with put down delay, we added the animation back. As you don't see the animation in1st person, it may seem that you are firing out of cloak but you will be appearing in 3rd person view.

Even if not 100% perfect, we didn't want to shaft the cloak, we want it to be just right and do small steps.

Today's cloak is an improvement, and the better news is that the delay works as intended and we can continue working on it, which was only possible after the code change in 1.9.

Hope that clears that up.

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Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 446	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:46:00 - [1] - Quote I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bast*rdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? "Anybody order chaos?"
CharacterNameWasTaken 225	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:01:00 - [2] - Quote wnen because 2 days ago it didnt seem lengthend. "Stop it the bouncing is making me uncomfortable" - Senji/Crow
Duke Noobiam The Dukes Of Death 260	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:05:00 - [3] - Quote Needs to be at least 1 second BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 480	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:11:00 - [4] - Quote One more second is where it'd be at. Take a bow
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 448	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:15:00 - [5] - Quote CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: wnen because 2 days ago it didnt seem lengthend. I noticed it took a little longer this morning. Thought it was lag, but it seemed just a little longer. Hardly noticeable, but just long enough to where you can't just wreak havoc shotgunning?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 796	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:13:00 - [6] - Quote We got a ninja update today and the added delay after decloaking was part of it. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 268	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote Fair for whom alpha weapon users? The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:24:00 - [8] - Quote Yup now u can fire 2 shotgun blasts. While invisible Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1377	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:48:00 - [9] - Quote Surprisingly enough, it's still not very much, even at a full one second delay. I haven't been playing with a cloak much lately, but I could barely tell there was a delay when switching to my ACR or KN's. Liking the fix, but it still wouldn't hurt my feelings to see that delay doubled, or force players to deactivate the cloak manually before switching to their main weapon. I want to punch.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 449	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:57:00 - [10] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Surprisingly enough, it's still not very much, even at a full one second delay. I haven't been playing with a cloak much lately, but I could barely tell there was a delay when switching to my ACR or KN's. Liking the fix, but it still wouldn't hurt my feelings to see that delay doubled, or force players to deactivate the cloak manually before switching to their main weapon. I think they're doing small fixes over time. It is indeed barely much, but any time to a heavy is a chance. "Anybody order chaos?"

Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:08:00 - [11] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bast*rdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? It was a cloak buff, more broken than ever. You probably haven't seen the new shoot while invisible feature.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 449	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:12:00 - [12] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bastrdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? It was a cloak buff, more broken than ever. You probably haven't seen the new shoot while invisible feature. Aw dmn?! No I didn't. How is that working? "Anybody order chaos?"
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3804	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:15:00 - [13] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bastrdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? It was a cloak buff, more broken than ever. You probably haven't seen the new shoot while invisible feature. Aw dmn?! No I didn't. How is that working? It works like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwz82yRZH0&feature=youtu.be Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3467	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:22:00 - [14] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bastrdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? It was a cloak buff, more broken than ever. You probably haven't seen the new shoot while invisible feature. Aw dmn?! No I didn't. How is that working? It works like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwz82yRZH0&feature=youtu.be lol Good job on the recording. Fatal Absolution Director
Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 502	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:29:00 - [15] - Quote Well, it didn't help redberrys today as i blast off thier faces. It's just too short to be noticed :). Good for us (shottys ofcourse) Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 449	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:44:00 - [16] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bastrdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? It was a cloak buff, more broken than ever. You probably haven't seen the new shoot while invisible feature. Aw dmn?! No I didn't. How is that working? It works like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwz82yRZH0&feature=youtu.be lol Good job on the recording. Heavies are screwed?! It doesn't work at all smh?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 67	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:59:00 - [17] - Quote There is such a thing as lag. Things don't register or render a full second on my system. Nerf the dam* cloak to at least 2 seconds. Better to have it deactivate at 10 meters. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 198	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:25:00 - [18] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: There is such a thing as lag. Things don't register or render a full second on my system. Nerf the dam* cloak to at least 2 seconds. Better to have it deactivate at 10 meters. Try being a scout. I used to hate every scout then I became one and found out that assault is a hell of a lot easier. *For The State!*
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5855	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:42:00 - [19] - Quote My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak. What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire. I am not sure why things were changed the way they were. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 882	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:12:00 - [20] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Well, it didn't help redberrys today as i blast off thier faces. It's just too short to be noticed :). Good for us (shottys ofcourse) Scout vs scout is now down to who uncloaks first.

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 882	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:21:00 - [21] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bastrdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? It was a cloak buff, more broken than ever. You probably haven't seen the new shoot while invisible feature. Aw dmn?! No I didn't. How is that working? It works like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwz82yRZH0&feature=youtu.be Only proof that kain is using dev hax and should be permabanned My scout/shotgun/cloak combo don't behave like that.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11292	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:37:00 - [22] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak. What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire. I am not sure why things were changed the way they were. Thanks guys, yes we did some changes, not ninja though it's all documented on the Features and Ideas forum. Changing the decloak animation to zero as we ended up doing before 1.9, was a hack. We always wanted to have cloaked players gradually appear with the swirling animation, as it actually is more noticieable than just "tada!". So now with put down delay, we added the animation back. As you don't see the animation in1st person, it may seem that you are firing out of cloak but you will be appearing in 3rd person view. Even if not 100% perfect, we didn't want to shaft the cloak, we want it to be just right and do small steps. Today's cloak is an improvement, and the better news is that the delay works as intended and we can continue working on it, which was only possible after the code change in 1.9. Hope that clears that up. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 489	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:39:00 - [23] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak. What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire. I am not sure why things were changed the way they were. Seems like a pretty accurate deduction. I guess now the devs should try to decrease the decloak animation time. Hopefully this will make the cloaking device balanced.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 689	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:33:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak. What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire. I am not sure why things were changed the way they were. Thanks guys, yes we did some changes, not ninja though it's all documented on the Features and Ideas forum. Changing the decloak animation to zero as we ended up doing before 1.9, was a hack. We always wanted to have cloaked players gradually appear with the swirling animation, as it actually is more noticieable than just "tada!". So now with put down delay, we added the animation back. As you don't see the animation in1st person, it may seem that you are firing out of cloak but you will be appearing in 3rd person view. Even if not 100% perfect, we didn't want to shaft the cloak, we want it to be just right and do small steps. Today's cloak is an improvement, and the better news is that the delay works as intended and we can continue working on it, which was only possible after the code change in 1.9. Hope that clears that up. I was on the receiving end of this today and I can confirm I saw it the same way he did. The guy hit me with a shotgun twice before fully decloaking. I was on a building, turned, saw a blur, then blap blap and saw the uncloak mechanism as I was falling to the ground. (Sorry, don't have recording ability) Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 451	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:45:00 - [25] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: There is such a thing as lag. Things don't register or render a full second on my system. Nerf the dam* cloak to at least 2 seconds. Better to have it deactivate at 10 meters. Try being a scout. I used to hate every scout then I became one and found out that assault is a hell of a lot easier. Assault is easier??!!! I'm definitely doing something wrong them lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 796	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:06:00 - [26] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: There is such a thing as lag. Things don't register or render a full second on my system. Nerf the dam* cloak to at least 2 seconds. Better to have it deactivate at 10 meters. Try being a scout. I used to hate every scout then I became one and found out that assault is a hell of a lot easier. Assault is easier??!!! I'm definitely doing something wrong then lol! Maybe you are. I have proto scout and proto assault. Assault, to me, is easier. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 796	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:10:00 - [27] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: I'm a fan! They finally did! CCP you inglorious bast*rdos! It took some adjusting, but it's actually fair now! Thoughts? My thoughts? Nothing will ever please the scout whiners because they just aren't good at DUST. The whining will start again in Edit: Nevermind, I read post #3. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1284	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:10:00 - [28] - Quote Was .3 seconds not long enough? Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 730	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:48:00 - [29] - Quote Now a longer delay before they can finally shoot back after shooting at the bright shimmer that makes them almost obvious to see.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7760	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:57:00 - [30] - Quote I have been killed far less by instant shotgun-decloaks. On most of my fits I just deactivate cloak when I enter the city and rely on speed and damps like the old days. I can easily live with this. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.



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