Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1051
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:18:00 -
[1] - Quote
Lets take the Caldari for example. Once at the beginning of fw release it was equal then one week the gal got some support from a corp which followed by another then another which led to the current trend of everyone vs starters and true loyalists in cal fw. We need a reward system for staying loyal to your faction the current loyalty system to be quite frank is dumb. You get a barely visible increase in lp. I suggest free suits or weapons hell even vehicles every 5 games you win. Not alot like 25 suits and weapoms and 5 vehicles. Something along this line to get people to stay. Also if we had to actually sign up for fw it'd be even better but ccp doesnt want to do that.
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
|
Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1710
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:24:00 -
[2] - Quote
They need to make your loyalty rank increase for a faction regardless of whether your team wins that match or not. Perhaps losing only increases it half as much so people still have an incentive to win but this fcking "oh you lost, tough sh!t" bs is just that, bullshit and makes people less likely to want to play FW, especially with the time it takes to get into a match.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
|
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
634
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:28:00 -
[3] - Quote
Jacques Cayton II wrote:Lets take the Caldari for example. Once at the beginning of fw release it was equal then one week the gal got some support from a corp which followed by another then another which led to the current trend of everyone vs starters and true loyalists in cal fw. We need a reward system for staying loyal to your faction the current loyalty system to be quite frank is dumb. You get a barely visible increase in lp. I suggest free suits or weapons hell even vehicles every 5 games you win. Not alot like 25 suits and weapoms and 5 vehicles. Something along this line to get people to stay. Also if we had to actually sign up for fw it'd be even better but ccp doesnt want to do that.
Im loyal. And honestly why all that QQ around, i saw you in manz threads where you basicaly talking about "how caldari sucks". Who is loyal here, if you want change system just because something is wrong with side what you chosed, its mean thats not loyalty. Loyalty is full support of ideology what you choose without any remarks. I can take when my matari lost against AMARIAN "god hands" yesterday (helvete i still have LP and some SPs too) and that all what i need, because im PIRMATAR and i will fight. What about you, why you cant bear your decision to fight for Caldarian warfare, why you want change system?! Because caldarians lost, thats not loyalty boyo
"Savvy"
|
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1053
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:48:00 -
[4] - Quote
postapo wastelander wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Lets take the Caldari for example. Once at the beginning of fw release it was equal then one week the gal got some support from a corp which followed by another then another which led to the current trend of everyone vs starters and true loyalists in cal fw. We need a reward system for staying loyal to your faction the current loyalty system to be quite frank is dumb. You get a barely visible increase in lp. I suggest free suits or weapons hell even vehicles every 5 games you win. Not alot like 25 suits and weapoms and 5 vehicles. Something along this line to get people to stay. Also if we had to actually sign up for fw it'd be even better but ccp doesnt want to do that. Im loyal. And honestly why all that QQ around, i saw you in manz threads where you basicaly talking about "how caldari sucks". Who is loyal here, if you want change system just because something is wrong with side what you chosed, its mean thats not loyalty. Loyalty is full support of ideology what you choose without any remarks. I can take when my matari lost against AMARIAN "god hands" yesterday (helvete i still have LP and some SPs too) and that all what i need, because im PIRMATAR and i will fight. What about you, why you cant bear your decision to fight for Caldarian warfare, why you want change system?! Because caldarians lost, thats not loyalty boyo Link me the post where i said "caldari suck" I'll give you 20 million isk if you can find where i said caldari suck as a faction. I have nothing but love for the state
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
|
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13668
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:48:00 -
[5] - Quote
I think the main issue is that most players simply see FW as a place to get free (or practically free) PRO gear as opposed to an on-going struggle to further the goals of their empire. And for all intents and purposes, it is.
Given how even at L1 you still earn about 1k LP per match simply running for all factions to obtain PRO suits and early access to all gear is not only feasible, but far more rewarding to most players.
---
That aside, I believe that there needs to be actual rewards for being loyal. While simply giving out gear ever match or so doesn't seem practical, perhaps gear (maybe even BPOs) locked behind a certain Standing Lvl would work. For instance, would you keep playing for Caldari FW if you could get a Caldari Assault with the Caldari Navy skin?
However, I also believe that the way FW works also needs an overhaul. As opposed to queuing up for a battle in the "Battle Finder", you should have to go to the star map and select which planet or district you would like to attack.
Upon selecting the district, players who've enlisted in the opposing Militia would receive a message in their Notifications Inbox, stating that you have X minutes to prepare for an attack on that district. If they fail to send troops to defend, your militia will simply start the match w/o them (basically a no-show).
IIRC there is a timer or the FW districts, which would prevent a faction from attacking every single district at once to have an undisputed win and +60-80% control by doing absolutely nothing. Along with that, these attacks could only be made by a team of "Patrols" (as CCP calls it), to prevent blueberries from spamming attacks.
And yes, I ripped most of that from a True Adamance.
The 1st Matari Commando
-HAND
|
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
1071
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:50:00 -
[6] - Quote
I merc for Gal but I will help you Cal... things out. At least until I get my Cal assault mustard edition.
"I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
|
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1053
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:51:00 -
[7] - Quote
Atiim wrote:I think the main issue is that most players simply see FW as a place to get free (or practically free) PRO gear as opposed to an on-going struggle to further the goals of their empire. And for all intents and purposes, it is. Given how even at L1 you still earn about 1k LP per match simply running for all factions to obtain PRO suits and early access to all gear is not only feasible, but far more rewarding to most players. --- That aside, I believe that there needs to be actual rewards for being loyal. While simply giving out gear ever match or so doesn't seem practical, perhaps gear (maybe even BPOs) locked behind a certain Standing Lvl would work. For instance, would you keep playing for Caldari FW if you could get a Caldari Assault with the Caldari Navy skin? However, I also believe that the way FW works also needs an overhaul. As opposed to queuing up for a battle in the "Battle Finder", you should have to go to the star map and select which planet or district you would like to attack. Upon selecting the district, players who've enlisted in the opposing Militia would receive a message in their Notifications Inbox, stating that you have X minutes to prepare for an attack on that district. If they fail to send troops to defend, your militia will simply start the match w/o them (basically a no-show). IIRC there is a timer or the FW districts, which would prevent a faction from attacking every single district at once to have an undisputed win and +60-80% control by doing absolutely nothing. Along with that, these attacks could only be made by a team of "Patrols" (as CCP calls it), to prevent blueberries from spamming attacks. And yes, I ripped most of that from a True Adamance. I like it
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
|
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1053
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:52:00 -
[8] - Quote
Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:I merc for Gal but I will help you Cal... things out. At least until I get my Cal assault mustard edition. Im not asking for help im asking for more factional loyalty within the game like a rehaul of fw
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
|
Piercing Serenity
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
689
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:52:00 -
[9] - Quote
Atiim wrote:I think the main issue is that most players simply see FW as a place to get free (or practically free) PRO gear as opposed to an on-going struggle to further the goals of their empire. And for all intents and purposes, it is. Given how even at L1 you still earn about 1k LP per match simply running for all factions to obtain PRO suits and early access to all gear is not only feasible, but far more rewarding to most players. --- That aside, I believe that there needs to be actual rewards for being loyal. While simply giving out gear ever match or so doesn't seem practical, perhaps gear (maybe even BPOs) locked behind a certain Standing Lvl would work. For instance, would you keep playing for Caldari FW if you could get a Caldari Assault with the Caldari Navy skin? However, I also believe that the way FW works also needs an overhaul. As opposed to queuing up for a battle in the "Battle Finder", you should have to go to the star map and select which planet or district you would like to attack. Upon selecting the district, players who've enlisted in the opposing Militia would receive a message in their Notifications Inbox, stating that you have X minutes to prepare for an attack on that district. If they fail to send troops to defend, your militia will simply start the match w/o them (basically a no-show). IIRC there is a timer or the FW districts, which would prevent a faction from attacking every single district at once to have an undisputed win and +60-80% control by doing absolutely nothing. Along with that, these attacks could only be made by a team of "Patrols" (as CCP calls it), to prevent blueberries from spamming attacks. And yes, I ripped most of that from a True Adamance.
Decent idea. Without commenting on the bulk of the post, I just wanted to mention that Sgt. Kirk came up with the name Patrols. Not CCP.
Just wanna give credit where it is due
Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz
Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
|
DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
15050
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:55:00 -
[10] - Quote
This game has no meaningful connection to EVE. FW is just a coupon vendor
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
|
|
Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
266
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:56:00 -
[11] - Quote
Last time I played Caldari FW I had someone in Gallente Frontline following me around standing in front of me whenever I tried shooting someone. The second I touch a Rail turret to kill a Dropship killed by a Militia Sniper fit. People dropping uplinks in bad places on purpose and overall no one running anything more expensive then ADV because no matter what the few people who did try would be broke at the end of the match.
If CCP really gave a crap about anything for once they'd give better salvage to whatever factions getting slaughtered the most in FW and why not give out an officer weapon to encourage people to actually try. But its easier to whine and complain about everyone sucking and boast then actually try playing Caldari FW and see just what you have to deal with.
The State will always survive.
|
Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1053
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 15:58:00 -
[12] - Quote
lol @ OP whining about loyalty.
http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Jacques_Cayton_II
Maybe if you practice what you preach someone might take you seriously. |
Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
268
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:01:00 -
[13] - Quote
I personally think the only reason the ck suck is because they have the SR in there loyalty store so you guys get more snipers and snipers lose battles. I mean you guys have the best suits and the first or second rifle I am currently transitioning to ck now from gk because they have the worse suit/bonus and the worse rifle.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
|
Draden Brohiem
D3ATH CARD RUST415
12
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:07:00 -
[14] - Quote
Jacques Cayton II wrote:Lets take the Caldari for example. Once at the beginning of fw release it was equal then one week the gal got some support from a corp which followed by another then another which led to the current trend of everyone vs starters and true loyalists in cal fw. We need a reward system for staying loyal to your faction the current loyalty system to be quite frank is dumb. You get a barely visible increase in lp. I suggest free suits or weapons hell even vehicles every 5 games you win. Not alot like 25 suits and weapoms and 5 vehicles. Something along this line to get people to stay. Also if we had to actually sign up for fw it'd be even better but ccp doesnt want to do that.
We're up against the wall of China when it comes to caldari FW. My gallente main often has more points in minmatar because most of my corp runs combat rifles?! I think the issue is most guys just get in squad, and end up in gallente. Also, most new players band wagon so they don't get totally stomped?! Can't blame them for that. If you havery a channel for setting up efforts when I'm on this character I'll gladly squad up. Respecing this character soon to full caldari tanker and heavy. I think I would be a real asset to the cause.
Send me the channel or maka it publicly known so guys know where to go for squads. o7 |
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13668
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:08:00 -
[15] - Quote
Piercing Serenity wrote:Decent idea. Without commenting on the bulk of the post, I just wanted to mention that Sgt. Kirk came up with the name Patrols. Not CCP.
Just wanna give credit where it is due Thanks for clearing that up, and I'll edit the post.
The 1st Matari Commando
-HAND
|
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2165
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:09:00 -
[16] - Quote
They guys in ML who have been running FW have been rotating around the horn for the most part. That way nobody loses standing, overall. |
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
635
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:11:00 -
[17] - Quote
Jacques Cayton II wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Lets take the Caldari for example. Once at the beginning of fw release it was equal then one week the gal got some support from a corp which followed by another then another which led to the current trend of everyone vs starters and true loyalists in cal fw. We need a reward system for staying loyal to your faction the current loyalty system to be quite frank is dumb. You get a barely visible increase in lp. I suggest free suits or weapons hell even vehicles every 5 games you win. Not alot like 25 suits and weapoms and 5 vehicles. Something along this line to get people to stay. Also if we had to actually sign up for fw it'd be even better but ccp doesnt want to do that. Im loyal. And honestly why all that QQ around, i saw you in manz threads where you basicaly talking about "how caldari sucks". Who is loyal here, if you want change system just because something is wrong with side what you chosed, its mean thats not loyalty. Loyalty is full support of ideology what you choose without any remarks. I can take when my matari lost against AMARIAN "god hands" yesterday (helvete i still have LP and some SPs too) and that all what i need, because im PIRMATAR and i will fight. What about you, why you cant bear your decision to fight for Caldarian warfare, why you want change system?! Because caldarians lost, thats not loyalty boyo Link me the post where i said "caldari suck" I'll give you 20 million isk if you can find where i said caldari suck as a faction. I have nothing but love for the state
Oki, i gonna to ask you boyo. Why you want change of system, if you are that purist loyalist. Loyalist will bear anything without any request. And you doing requests here. BUT DONT GET ME WRONG!! I understood, there is need to bring up reward even after harship in lost game and i thinks its good idea. But your pointing on caldari and how caldari like race is in lost, thats not that loyalty. You basicaly mocking whole virtual race for problem where is CORE factor players. But hell its you thinking, i basicaly want to say im loyal without pointing. You are maybe loyal, but in my eyes with too much of pointing on others.
We can cut it in one thingie my dear boyo. There should be bigger reward for supporters even if they lost, but from my side of view honestly not too big one. Something special oki, but still something what will push them for better coordination on battlefield and better cooperation overall. What is actually the major issue with caldari.
What about something like Atiim told, its good idea that camo etc. Hell why not even racial booster after i dont know some amount of games?!
I thing that should be the way, but still its better constructivism without pointing on others. If you point on how someone is better/easie honestly boyo in my eyes it like QQ.
I think that camo thingie and boosters for participation in bigger amount of games will be good idea boyo
"Savvy"
|
CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
116
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:14:00 -
[18] - Quote
Jacques Cayton II wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:I merc for Gal but I will help you Cal... things out. At least until I get my Cal assault mustard edition. Im not asking for help im asking for more factional loyalty within the game like a rehaul of fw for the love of god yes. no one wants these caldari noobs comeing over to the gallente side.
|
Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1713
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:14:00 -
[19] - Quote
Blueprint For Murder wrote:I personally think the only reason the ck suck is because they have the SR in there loyalty store so you guys get more snipers and snipers lose battles. I mean you guys have the best suits and the first or second rifle I am currently transitioning to ck now from gk because they have the worse suit/bonus and the worse rifle. Let me know when you get that ck.0 and I'll show you how wrong you are. Though I do agree about the SR part, if the other races had their SR's then things would be a bit more balanced.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
|
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
636
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:21:00 -
[20] - Quote
I have this idea, after some unpsecified count of combat for your race. What about something like supporter suit (i know we have APEX now, but i mean something more racialy accured like we have these protectorates one for example) and factional booster (i thing one day can be fine, but with caldarians issues with squad-upping what about three days). All that for supporting your (YUP ONLY YOUR) race
"Savvy"
|
|
Immortal John Ripper
25589
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:22:00 -
[21] - Quote
I have always been loyal to amarr, and playing with the odds stacked against me made me a better player.
For every like I receive, a starving minmatar child is denied a taco.
|
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
7709
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:26:00 -
[22] - Quote
Damn Cayton.
At least you spent most of your time in FA
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
|
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
641
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:41:00 -
[23] - Quote
Oki i had small talk with another caldari and you know what. Go to hell with them i will support Gallenteans and Mataris only. Caldari are mostly ultracorporationalistic scallywags anyways. You choosed them, you are clear about your loyalty, you should bear their looses end of story
"Savvy"
|
Foehammerr
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
107
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 16:59:00 -
[24] - Quote
ITT : squids qq'ing like soccer mom's that little Timmy didn't get his participation trophy for losing. Maybe if you didn't suck so badly you wouldn't even be in this situation. Hell, CCP pretty much had to cater to the Caldari and give a crutch so it's literally impossible for you to lose the war. They removed mechanics that would be able to fix both our problems.
Also the whole thing about only being able to team deploy against other teams in FW to cater to babies like you is pants - on- head ********. That'd be like saying fleets in eve wouldn't be able to roam or plex through FW space unless there's a fleet of similar strength and composition flying for the other side to protect high sec babies in their level 1 frigates incase they accidentally stumble the region. It kills the emergent experience and is just bad design. No player or corp got where they are just blue dotting their way around. DUST is not a game for soloing.
TL; DR htfu git gud and join a corp.
Rangers Lead The Way!
Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
|
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
644
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 17:02:00 -
[25] - Quote
Foehammerr wrote:ITT : squids qq'ing like soccer mom's that little Timmy didn't get his participation trophy for losing. Maybe if you didn't suck so badly you wouldn't even be in this situation. Hell, CCP pretty much had to cater to the Caldari and give a crutch so it's literally impossible for you to lose the war. They removed mechanics that would be able to fix both our problems.
Also the whole thing about only being able to team deploy against other teams in FW to cater to babies like you is pants - on- head ********. That'd be like saying fleets in eve wouldn't be able to roam or plex through FW space unless there's a fleet of similar strength and composition flying for the other side to protect high sec babies in their level 1 frigates incase they accidentally stumble the region. It kills the emergent experience and is just bad design. No player or corp got where they are just blue dotting their way around. CCP games are not games for soloing.
TL; DR htfu git gud and join a corp.
I just sent it somewhere:
Gallenteans RR APEX What will be next..just another excuses
"Savvy"
|
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13672
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 17:18:00 -
[26] - Quote
Foehammerr wrote:ITT : squids qq'ing like soccer mom's that little Timmy didn't get his participation trophy for losing. Maybe if you didn't suck so badly you wouldn't even be in this situation. Hell, CCP pretty much had to cater to the Caldari and give a crutch so it's literally impossible for you to lose the war. They removed mechanics that would be able to fix both our problems.
Also the whole thing about only being able to team deploy against other teams in FW to cater to babies like you is pants - on- head ********. That'd be like saying fleets in eve wouldn't be able to roam or plex through FW space unless there's a fleet of similar strength and composition flying for the other side to protect high sec babies in their level 1 frigates incase they accidentally stumble the region. It kills the emergent experience and is just bad design. No player or corp got where they are just blue dotting their way around. DUST is not a game for soloing.
TL; DR htfu git gud and join a corp. Someone needs to train Reading Comprehension beyond Operation I.
The 1st Matari Commando
-HAND
|
Immortal John Ripper
25591
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 17:23:00 -
[27] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Damn Cayton. At least you spent most of your time in FA Dang not sure who to give the taco too. The op to make him feel better for the burn... or Dust User for the brilliant response.
Tomorrow is my Birthday and I demand tacos.
|
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1056
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 17:27:00 -
[28] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Damn Cayton. At least you spent most of your time in FA Over half are my corporations the others either are failed caldari loyalist corps or failed pc corps. And besides my loyalty has always been with the state pc corps besides i stole isk from some corps
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
|
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1058
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 17:30:00 -
[29] - Quote
Foehammerr wrote:ITT : squids qq'ing like soccer mom's that little Timmy didn't get his participation trophy for losing. Maybe if you didn't suck so badly you wouldn't even be in this situation. Hell, CCP pretty much had to cater to the Caldari and give a crutch so it's literally impossible for you to lose the war. They removed mechanics that would be able to fix both our problems.
Also the whole thing about only being able to team deploy against other teams in FW to cater to babies like you is pants - on- head ********. That'd be like saying fleets in eve wouldn't be able to roam or plex through FW space unless there's a fleet of similar strength and composition flying for the other side to protect high sec babies in their level 1 frigates incase they accidentally stumble the region. It kills the emergent experience and is just bad design. No player or corp got where they are just blue dotting their way around. DUST is not a game for soloing.
TL; DR htfu git gud and join a corp. Wow nice rage bud i was asking for better rewards for everyone and you get mad. Sorry bud lets nerf it then
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
|
Ku Shala
The Generals
1014
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 17:31:00 -
[30] - Quote
you can get into a factional? for the love of the maker send me an ingame invite to a factional channel . o7 for the glory of the state
-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)
Caldari Loyalist
*Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |