DUST Search - The two worst parts of Dust!!

GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Her Chosen wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Meknow Intaki wrote:

RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance

First one I can understand.

But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming.

Straffing isn't actually a skill. Its exploitation of poor hit detection, latency, and frame rate.

Do you honestly think you could walk through and dodge bullets firing at 800rpm traveling at 1000m/s???

Go play a TF2 scout and tell me that strafing isn't a skill.

It's done to screw with people who can't adjust aim on the fly. If you can aim, strafing is almost never an issue. In a zero-ping environment, your argument holds no weight, as it comes down to simply "Can I adjust my aim as fast as he changes directions?"

This is the reason why K/BM gets so much hate with the super strafe, as they can change directions faster than a DS3 can possibly keep up. It's not the HD, its literally almost impossible to keep up with them. Granted, they have wonky support on the aim side, so it balances itself out a bit.

Also: LOL at trying to include real life into this. It's a video game. Strafing and Aiming have been and always WILL be the most important skills in an FPS, and they are quickly followed by Positioning and Fire Control.

Learn to FPS dude.

you're an idiot.

latency is an off the charts problem with DUST, and then add a zero inertia movement to multiply it's effect. If you are unable to spot the "out of region" players then add noob!

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Meknow Intaki 291	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:11:00 - [1] - Quote RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4549	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:21:00 - [2] - Quote I believe it is the ability to retain new players that is the worst. As for strafing, every shooter has that, but it is a "focus", I guess, in Dust because of the variety in frames and the TTK.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 630	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:21:00 - [3] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance The worst is right now LAG in FW *"Savvy"*
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 153	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:24:00 - [4] - Quote 1. HP > All Else 2. New Player Experience
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 369	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:13:00 - [5] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance You aren't wrong.
CharacterNameWasTaken 223	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:17:00 - [6] - Quote That none of the female gal scout suits look like shiro. "Stop it the bouncing is making me uncomfortable" - Senji/Crow
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:32:00 - [7] - Quote The elite weirdos of Dust General Discussion Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7679	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:46:00 - [8] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance First one I can understand. But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 399	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:14:00 - [9] - Quote TTK is too long IMO. If guys went down quicker there wouldn't be so much circle strafing. I don't want it to be COD but I don't really like having to shoot people 20-30 times to make them die.
doc lowroar Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 24	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:34:00 - [10] - Quote Agree. 1250hp dmg. @ lvl 1 frisbe grenade and lvl 5 grenade 600hp just isn't right. Re' s should be placed not thrown. As far as the dance dance revolution silliness in this game , scout speed needs to be dialed down just a little. "Wherever you go, there you are" -BB

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3429	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:35:00 - [11] - Quote The worst part of Dust right now is the cloak. If the cloak and all of this OHK bullshit wasn't in the game, it would make it more enjoyable. > Check RND out here
hfderrtgvcd 1148	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:46:00 - [12] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: The worst part of Dust right now is the cloak. If the cloak and all of this OHK bullshit wasn't in the game, it would make it more enjoyable. They're adding a two second delay after decloaking before you can fire. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3431	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:52:00 - [13] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: The worst part of Dust right now is the cloak. If the cloak and all of this OHK bullshit wasn't in the game, it would make it more enjoyable. They're adding a two second delay after decloaking before you can fire. When? > Check RND out here
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2217	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:53:00 - [14] - Quote doc lowroar wrote: Agree. 1250hp dmg. @ lvl 1 frisbe grenade and lvl 5 grenade 600hp just isn't right. Re' s should be placed not thrown. As far as the dance dance revolution silliness in this game , scout speed needs to be dialed down just a little. Or we just add inertia so people can't rocket-propel themselves at a theoretical 1,000,000,000 Km/h/h acceleration, which ALLOWS circle strafe to be king. Adding inertia is- like in Ye Olde' Super Mario, you push "forward" and your character doesn't immediately start going, instead over the course of 2-5 Frames, you'll start out moving at 0.2X speed, then onwards and upwards to the 1.0X speed that we know and love(hate) today. Calscouts won't be instantly dodging HMG rounds Amarr Assaults won't be circlestrafing shotgun scouts and dodging all their SG rounds. People won't be insta-dodging the NK slash of doom from behind. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
hfderrtgvcd 1148	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:55:00 - [15] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: The worst part of Dust right now is the cloak. If the cloak and all of this OHK bullshit wasn't in the game, it would make it more enjoyable. They're adding a two second delay after decloaking before you can fire. When? It was supposed to be yesterday. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=180039&find=unread The change is actually one second, not two, my mistake. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:03:00 - [16] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance First one I can understand. But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming. Straffing isn't actually a skill. Its exploitation of poor hit detection, latency, and frame rate. Do you honestly think you could walk through and dodge bullets firing at 800rpm traveling at 1000m/s???
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 1976	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:09:00 - [17] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance First one I can understand. But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming. Straffing isn't actually a skill. lol
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2161	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:30:00 - [18] - Quote FPS/hit detection Lack of Game Modes Lack of PC Maps
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 162	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:49:00 - [19] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: The worst part of Dust right now is the cloak. If the cloak and all of this OHK bullshit wasn't in the game, it would make it more enjoyable. They're adding a two second delay after decloaking before you can fire. When? It's up.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7709	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:21:00 - [20] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance First one I can understand. But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming. Straffing isn't actually a skill. Its exploitation of poor hit detection, latency, and frame rate. Do you honestly think you could walk through and dodge bullets firing at 800rpm traveling at 1000m/s??? Go play a TF2 scout and tell me that strafing isn't a skill. It's done to screw with people who can't adjust aim on the fly. If you can aim, strafing is almost never an issue. In a zero-ping environment, your argument holds no weight, as it comes down to simply "Can I adjust my aim as fast as he changes directions?" This is the reason why K/BM gets so much hate with the super strafe, as they can change directions faster than a DS3 can possibly keep up. It's not the HD, its literally almost impossible to keep up with them. Granted, they have wonky support on the aim side, so it balances itself out a bit. Also: LOL at trying to include real life into this. It's a video game. Strafing and Aiming have been and always WILL be the most important skills in an FPS, and they are quickly followed by Positioning and Fire Control. Learn to FPS dude. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.

Meknow Intaki 293	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:04:00 - [21] - Quote Strafing should cost you stanama the longer you do it the slower it gets, like the jump
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:38:00 - [22] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance First one I can understand. But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming. Straffing isn't actually a skill. Its exploitation of poor hit detection, latency, and frame rate. Do you honestly think you could walk through and dodge bullets firing at 800rpm traveling at 1000m/s??? And, weak movement dispersion....CCP Logibro
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:40:00 - [23] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance Takes practice Stealth Edit Detected CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 44	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:40:00 - [24] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance You can't compare re's to grenades, re's detonate way faster than a grenade. They might as well rename them contact re's
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:49:00 - [25] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance First one I can understand. But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming. Straffing isn't actually a skill. Its exploitation of poor hit detection, latency, and frame rate. Do you honestly think you could walk through and dodge bullets firing at 800rpm traveling at 1000m/s??? Go play a TF2 scout and tell me that strafing isn't a skill. It's done to screw with people who can't adjust aim on the fly. If you can aim, strafing is almost never an issue. In a zero-ping environment, your argument holds no weight, as it comes down to simply "Can I adjust my aim as fast as he changes directions?" This is the reason why K/BM gets so much hate with the super strafe, as they can change directions faster than a DS3 can possibly keep up. It's not the HD, its literally almost impossible to keep up with them. Granted, they have wonky support on the aim side, so it balances itself out a bit. Also: LOL at trying to include real life into this. It's a video game. Strafing and Aiming have been and always WILL be the most important skills in an FPS, and they are quickly followed by Positioning and Fire Control. Learn to FPS dude. you're an idiot. latency is an off the charts problem with DUST, and then add a zero inertia movement to multiply it's effect. If you are unable to spot the "out of region" players then add noob!
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 1982	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:05:00 - [26] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: Strafing should cost you stanama the longer you do it the slower it gets, like the jump Gungame is OP, nerf plz
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1087	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:08:00 - [27] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance The worst? No. But it's up there. How to balance cloaks.
Mex-0 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:13:00 - [28] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: The worst part of Dust right now is the cloak. If the cloak and all of this OHK bullshit wasn't in the game, it would make it more enjoyable. The problem is Shotty-cloakers. Nova knifers get grouped with shotty-cloakers for some weird reason. I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7732	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:42:00 - [29] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: RE grenade's - super bullet dodge dance First one I can understand. But strafing? Really? That's probably the most important FPS skill you will learn AFTER aiming. Straffing isn't actually a skill. Its exploitation of poor hit detection, latency, and frame rate. Do you honestly think you could walk through and dodge bullets firing at 800rpm traveling at 1000m/s??? Go play a TF2 scout and tell me that strafing isn't a skill. It's done to screw with people who can't adjust aim on the fly. If you can aim, strafing is almost never an issue. In a zero-ping environment, your argument holds no weight, as it comes down to simply "Can I adjust my aim as fast as he changes directions?" This is the reason why K/BM gets so much hate with the super strafe, as they can change directions faster than a DS3 can possibly keep up. It's not the HD, its literally almost impossible to keep up with them. Granted, they have wonky support on the aim side, so it balances itself out a bit. Also: LOL at trying to include real life into this. It's a video game. Strafing and Aiming have been and always WILL be the most important skills in an FPS, and they are quickly followed by Positioning and Fire Control. Learn to FPS dude. you're an idiot. latency is an off the charts problem with DUST, and then add a zero inertia movement to multiply it's effect. If you are unable to spot the "out of region" players then add noob! I'm saying his argument is absolutely wrong on a fundamental level. Unless he wants to say that walking around is exploiting poor hit detection, latency, and frame rate as well, because that's all strafing is. It's walking and shooting. Yeah, latency is really sh*tty in Dust, but what do you want people to do when being shot at? Stand still and smile? No, they will strafe as much as they can to throw off your aim, and mastering that as a skill is the first step to being a halfway decent player. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7732	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:43:00 - [30] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: Strafing should cost you stanama the longer you do it the slower it gets, like the jump Gungame is OP, nerf plz OP means that everyone should slow down the more the walk. I'm fairly certain that he wants everyone to line up and shoot each other like in the civil war. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.

Meknow Intaki 294	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:30:00 - [31] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: Strafing should cost you stanama the longer you do it the slower it gets, like the jump Gungame is OP, nerf plz OP means that everyone should slow down the more the walk. I'm fairly certain that he wants everyone to line up and shoot each other like in the civil war. What I mean is, if you think being able to side step 450 rounds from a HMG back and forth Really really fast and w+álk away the victor and unscathed is proper ?? Or doing the circle jerk on your joy stick as a way to win, with little way for a player to retaliate?
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP 157	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:57:00 - [32] - Quote Two worst parts of DUST is the same it has always been, broken promises and LOL Developers. DUST514 I love the dream but not the current product. Dusters - WhenGäó CCP - SoonGäó
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 339	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:03:00 - [33] - Quote Forum QQ'rs and Forum Trolls. They really hinder constructive feedback and potential growth for the game. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 42	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:31:00 - [34] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: Strafing should cost you stanama the longer you do it the slower it gets, like the jump Gungame is OP, nerf plz OP means that everyone should slow down the more the walk. I'm fairly certain that he wants everyone to line up and shoot each other like in the civil war. Your use of strawmen and circular reasoning is almost laughable. Are you a lagger?


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