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KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5827	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:47:00 - [1] - Quote So. about 3 or 4 days ago i wrote this: why people who are not scouts can't see we are already nerfed. What happened is i got some heat by people saying scouts are OP. And they are broken , and what now... Some dude even told me i would never know how OP they are until i play like a med frame vs scouts... So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. The ones i decided to use were Gk.0 and Mk.0 , because they both use CQ-MED weapons (AR+CR) that i got used to while playing as a scout. Im not playing scout again for a long time. (exact number will be updated when im at home {im at work ATM}) Gk.0 300+ Shields 500+ Armor 30+ Armor rep per sec 20 shield regen per sec 1 cx Damage mod AR or BAR or TAC (all are great with this suit) Sprt speed 7.35 Mvoement (i think it is) 5 Mk.0 450+ Shields 450 + Armor 20 armor rep per sec 40 Shield regen per sec 7.7 Sprt speed 5.2 Movement speed 85 bullet Six Kin ACR and 90 Bullet Breach SMG. Ok ,so now for you to understand. THESE GUYS Have a LOT of HP, while moving VERY fast for their EHP values, have a bonus that helps their racial weapon ( a lot, at least in these 2 cases) , etc... They are basically made for killing. I can shistand even SG to the back, i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win , i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's.. So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./ Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout: - SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units. -ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons. Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net. MEd frames are not UP. Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7531	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:56:00 - [2] - Quote I picked up my Min Assault and Min Commando with the respec. I love my scout for solo work, but you will see me in that Min Assault 90% of the the time in Pubs. As you said, stick with the blues, abuse range and destroy people. The only problem with slayers not switching to the scout is the fact that it is easier to run. You see, running an assault requires gun game and good positioning/strafe Most people don't have this. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14336	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:02:00 - [3] - Quote I don't move very fast at all........ this poor Amarr dreams of speed. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
DarthPlagueis TheWise 337	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:15:00 - [4] - Quote That doesn't mean when scouts run together they can't overwhelm you with sheer speed and ganking power. Sorry but I'm not convinced. Keep huddling close by your slow HP stacking buddies while the scouts circle around you like birds of prey. There's a reason I chose Scout over Assault. It's simple. Kill the enemy so fast they don't know what hit them. Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1757	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:21:00 - [5] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. about 3 or 4 days ago i wrote this: why people who are not scouts can't see we are already nerfed. What happened is i got some heat by people saying scouts are OP. And they are broken , and what now... Some dude even told me i would never know how OP they are until i play like a med frame vs scouts... So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. The ones i decided to use were Gk.0 and Mk.0 , because they both use CQ-MED weapons (AR+CR) that i got used to while playing as a scout. Im not playing scout again for a long time. (exact number will be updated when im at home {im at work ATM}) Gk.0 300+ Shields 500+ Armor 30+ Armor rep per sec 20 shield regen per sec 1 cx Damage mod AR or BAR or TAC (all are great with this suit) Sprt speed 7.35 Mvoement (i think it is) 5 Mk.0 450+ Shields 450 + Armor 20 armor rep per sec 40 Shield regen per sec 7.7 Sprt speed 5.2 Movement speed 85 bullet Six Kin ACR and 90 Bullet Breach SMG. Ok ,so now for you to understand. THESE GUYS Have a LOT of HP, while moving VERY fast for their EHP values, have a bonus that helps their racial weapon ( a lot, at least in these 2 cases) , etc... They are basically made for killing. I can shistand even SG to the back, i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win , i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's.. So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./ Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout: - SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units. -ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons. Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net. MEd frames are not UP. Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP. your also forgetting the OP aspect of the Ewar and 2 equip slots and cloak coupled with what you said. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1757	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:22:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't move very fast at all........ this poor Amarr dreams of speed. you moved fast, for an amarr logi in that one game i saw you in :P [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7536	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:22:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't move very fast at all........ this poor Amarr dreams of speed. Dude, try running 5x Reactive plates. Barely slows you down at all and you get over 700 armor and 17hp/s armor regen Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5003	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:25:00 - [8] - Quote You are not dampened at all in those fittings. Try running a dampener and watch how much more effective you become. Also I want to know how you have 450 armor and 20 armor regen with 7.7 sprint...? Two ferroscales does not give you that much armor, and you take up two low slots by giving yourself 20 regen so I'm very confused. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18909	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:30:00 - [9] - Quote How are you getting those numbers? Do you have officer modules? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
IRON PATRIOT 1 General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:31:00 - [10] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You are not dampened at all in those fittings. Try running a dampener and watch how much more effective you become. Also I want to know how you have 450 armor and 20 armor regen with 7.7 sprint...? Two ferroscales does not give you that much armor, and you take up two low slots by giving yourself 20 regen so I'm very confused. Same thing I was wondering, also that 85 round clip six kin.

sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 755	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:38:00 - [11] - Quote People just don't know how to use the different suits. They want to play the same way regardless of what their wearing. Use the right tool for the job, and learn to use that tool. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 196	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:46:00 - [12] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. about 3 or 4 days ago i wrote this: why people who are not scouts can't see we are already nerfed. What happened is i got some heat by people saying scouts are OP. And they are broken , and what now... Some dude even told me i would never know how OP they are until i play like a med frame vs scouts... So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. The ones i decided to use were Gk.0 and Mk.0 , because they both use CQ-MED weapons (AR+CR) that i got used to while playing as a scout. Im not playing scout again for a long time. (exact number will be updated when im at home {im at work ATM}) Gk.0 300+ Shields 500+ Armor 30+ Armor rep per sec 20 shield regen per sec 1 cx Damage mod AR or BAR or TAC (all are great with this suit) Sprt speed 7.35 Mvoement (i think it is) 5 Mk.0 450+ Shields 450 + Armor 20 armor rep per sec 40 Shield regen per sec 7.7 Sprt speed 5.2 Movement speed 85 bullet Six Kin ACR and 90 Bullet Breach SMG. Ok ,so now for you to understand. THESE GUYS Have a LOT of HP, while moving VERY fast for their EHP values, have a bonus that helps their racial weapon ( a lot, at least in these 2 cases) , etc... They are basically made for killing. I can shistand even SG to the back, i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win , i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's.. So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./ Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout: - SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units. -ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons. Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net. MEd frames are not UP. Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP. It would be best if you stuck to trolling the locker room with threads like your previous thread. Calscouts do not have a broken hitbox either, it's only because they can shield tank and have fast speed at the same time. Get educated on this game.
Ace Boone 367	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:46:00 - [13] - Quote IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: You are not dampened at all in those fittings. Try running a dampener and watch how much more effective you become. Also I want to know how you have 450 armor and 20 armor regen with 7.7 sprint...? Two ferroscales does not give you that much armor, and you take up two low slots by giving yourself 20 regen so I'm very confused. Same thing I was wondering, also that 85 round clip six kin. Can confirm six kin has 85 rounds on a min assault due to the bonus. And he's most likely running a complex reactive, 2x complex reppers, and idk. Only loyal to the republic.
Louis Domi Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 764	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:53:00 - [14] - Quote Cal scout hit box is pretty messed up though, Prof 4 SCR Shooting at a proto cal scout, I know for a fact all if not most of the shots hit, I over heat when he was at like 30 armor... I should have dominated him in the first 5-7 shots
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5831	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:08:00 - [15] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: That doesn't mean when scouts run together they can't overwhelm you with sheer speed and ganking power. Sorry but I'm not convinced. Keep huddling close by your slow HP stacking buddies while the scouts circle around you like birds of prey. There's a reason I chose Scout over Assault. It's simple. Kill the enemy so fast they don't know what hit them. ''That doesn't mean when scouts run together they can't overwhelm you with sheer speed and ganking power.'' Teamwork is Op in this game. Yes. So much even scouts designed for solo play become too powerful.... But that doesnt mean when ASSAULTS run together they can't overwhelm everything on the battlefield with sheer mobility, HP tank and damage output. You think an assault cannot just kill Scouts easily? the only scout that DOESNT die easily is the Cal, because its broken (its one of my fav suits but lets be hoenst here. the thing is unhittable) Both my assaults are Fast, have over 900EHP, and a lot of damage output. There is nothing, 30 mts of ewar and some dampening can do to stop an assault on 1 on 1. even the most tanked of scouts cannot achieve true Assault EHP values and adaptability. After CAL scouts loose their hit detection glitch powers, and after med frames that struggle vs Scouts get proto scanners, then we can talk about balance. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1095	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:24:00 - [16] - Quote My only issue with scouts versus assaults is their extreme versatility. This comes from their pg/cpu, 2 weapons, and two equipment slots. They can run logi and assault roles at the same time if they want or make one heck of a logi. Scouts should have 1 light weapon and 1 equipment slot. Cloaking shot gunners should be a cloaking shot gunner ONLY not an ammo toting SMG slayer at the same time. < Only as example
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5883	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:56:00 - [17] - Quote Yep Assaults are pretty good. It's more of an issue of people not knowing how to use them. Now if Assault suits could make decent EWAR fits... That would be cool! Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5831	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:04:00 - [18] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You are not dampened at all in those fittings. Try running a dampener and watch how much more effective you become. Also I want to know how you have 450 armor and 20 armor regen with 7.7 sprint...? Two ferroscales does not give you that much armor, and you take up two low slots by giving yourself 20 regen so I'm very confused. My bad. I have two Mk.0 fits and i confused them. Its already corrected. Its 2 ferroscales + cx reactive + 1 cx armor rep : 450+ EHP and 14+ Armor rep I confused it with, one that has 2 ferro and 2 cx armor reps for 20+ rep and 400ish EHP. i apologize. Still OP. XD The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5831	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:07:00 - [19] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: It would be best if you stuck to trolling the locker room with threads like your previous thread. Calscouts do not have a broken hitbox either, it's only because they can shield tank and have fast speed at the same time. Get educated on this game. LOL , look, scrubby boy. I have enough ''education'' about this game. You say im trolling but you are the one saying the Ck.0 is ok. Dude, its my main suit next to my amarr scout. I know its broken. I can stand infront of a Sentinel with a boundles for 5 seconds just strafing and he wont even touch me. I know its bad news for you, to realize that you are not the good player you thougth you were, but instead you are just using a broken suit, but hey. truth hurts. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 759	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:10:00 - [20] - Quote I have a scout GK.0 and an Assault MK.0. The scout gets quick kills, but also dies quickly. That's the part the scout whiners don't talk about. They only remember the scouts that kill them, but not the scouts they kill. It's obvious to anyone who is invested into both suits. I put a Six Kin CR and SMG on the MK.0 Assault and it's a monster. The clip size bonus is great. The Assault is easier to run than the scout, less stressful than the scout, and slightly more fun. The results I get from using both are about the same. But I love both suits. They are much fun. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5831	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:15:00 - [21] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: My only issue with scouts versus assaults is their extreme versatility. This comes from their pg/cpu, 2 weapons, and two equipment slots. They can run logi and assault roles at the same time if they want or make one heck of a logi. Scouts should have 1 light weapon and 1 equipment slot. Cloaking shot gunners should be a cloaking shot gunner ONLY not an ammo toting SMG slayer at the same time. < Only as example Welll.. I think removing BOTH the equipment AND the sidearm is a little overkill. Consider the fact taht assaults have 1 less equipment but 2+ slots. For a total of More HP and 1 more slot.... Maybe just remove Either one ofr the other... Still. I dont think further nerf is needed. The TRUE UP ones right now are Logistics and Commandos. NO SCOUT,ASSAULT or SENTINEL should be complaining their fits are Underpowered.... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2200	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:16:00 - [22] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. about 3 or 4 days ago i wrote this: why people who are not scouts can't see we are already nerfed. What happened is i got some heat by people saying scouts are OP. And they are broken , and what now... Some dude even told me i would never know how OP they are until i play like a med frame vs scouts... So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. The ones i decided to use were Gk.0 and Mk.0 , because they both use CQ-MED weapons (AR+CR) that i got used to while playing as a scout. Im not playing scout again for a long time. (exact number will be updated when im at home {im at work ATM}) Gk.0 300+ Shields 500+ Armor 30+ Armor rep per sec 20 shield regen per sec 1 cx Damage mod AR or BAR or TAC (all are great with this suit) Sprt speed 7.35 Mvoement (i think it is) 5 Mk.0 450+ Shields 450 + Armor 20 armor rep per sec 40 Shield regen per sec 7.7 Sprt speed 5.2 Movement speed 85 bullet Six Kin ACR and 90 Bullet Breach SMG. Ok ,so now for you to understand. THESE GUYS Have a LOT of HP, while moving VERY fast for their EHP values, have a bonus that helps their racial weapon ( a lot, at least in these 2 cases) , etc... They are basically made for killing. I can shistand even SG to the back, i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win , i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's.. So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./ Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout: - SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units. -ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons. Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net. MEd frames are not UP. Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP. It would be best if you stuck to trolling the locker room with threads like your previous thread. Calscouts do not have a broken hitbox either, it's only because they can shield tank and have fast speed at the same time. Get educated on this game. ensinuates shield + high speed makes OP weapondodge has MK.0 which dies to 5 AR rounds, with 300+ shield as well General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
DarthPlagueis TheWise 341	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:19:00 - [23] - Quote it doesnt really matter because i have a scout, a logi, and a heavy. my scout can pick your group off one by one if that doesnt work my heavy can take your group head on if that doesnt work my logi can support my team, or even my scout Don't get me wrong, I DO want to eventually skill into Assault on my main character. But I've already got an Amarr Assault sitting on passive and I have a long way to go before I can comfortably stop skilling up my scout. Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 989	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:23:00 - [24] - Quote A lot of op/up talk comes from entitlement hoes who have been playing for ages but still can't fight and use "data" to cover lack of skill. These are the same ppl who cannot play other shooters and stick to dust because it's the most logical and least shooter of all fps. The gap between scout and assault is not as big as is made to seem, though scouts have a number of high points that good players can abuse, scanning passives and speed mostly. I love my assault suits, and I think the AMK.0 May be my favorite suit in the game ever. Just a lot of whiny justification for the most part. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:47:00 - [25] - Quote dear baby jebus, Scouts are the cause of all our problems man. They are invisible wallhackers that play every role too good. They should be doing all those scouty things that you get all those WP for, you know like using your eyes to tell your team where the reds are for them. Get rid of both guns. You dont need them if you are a true scout. You should spend all your time starring at poor graphics with your face 2 inches away from the objective while you are hacking it. __________________ Shhh dont tell them how good assaults are KC, let the sheep live in the dark.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5834	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:55:00 - [26] - Quote Passive scans are not as OP as people make them to be. With a regular range of 30mts (with radar range Skill at level 5) all the way to the 50mts (approx) of the Cal scouts are not enough to call it OP. In order to have GOOD precision AND range , a scout must gimp itself...not to mention if you want dampening too.... I mean the only OP scout is the Cal scout that its un-hittable. Besides that ,Scouts are pretty much balanced right now. I would understand if you could effectivley damp all scouts with ONE cx Prof damp. This next to powerful e-war would make them pretty OP. But you need 2 cx damps to avoid proto scans, you need at LEAST 1 range amp on anything BUT a cal scout to have a 45-50mts range (that in this game is STILL way too little) The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18915	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:59:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I would understand if you could effectivley damp all scouts with ONE cx Prof damp. This next to powerful e-war would make them pretty OP. But you need 2 cx damps to avoid proto scans, you need at LEAST 1 range amp on anything BUT a cal scout to have a 45-50mts range (that in this game is STILL way too little) No you don't? A single complex dampener will take any scout under proto scanners. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 144	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:59:00 - [28] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. about 3 or 4 days ago i wrote this: why people who are not scouts can't see we are already nerfed. What happened is i got some heat by people saying scouts are OP. And they are broken , and what now... Some dude even told me i would never know how OP they are until i play like a med frame vs scouts... So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. The ones i decided to use were Gk.0 and Mk.0 , because they both use CQ-MED weapons (AR+CR) that i got used to while playing as a scout. Im not playing scout again for a long time. (exact number will be updated when im at home {im at work ATM}) Gk.0 300+ Shields 500+ Armor 30+ Armor rep per sec 20 shield regen per sec 1 cx Damage mod AR or BAR or TAC (all are great with this suit) Sprt speed 7.35 Mvoement (i think it is) 5 Mk.0 450+ Shields 450 + Armor 14+ armor rep per sec 40 Shield regen per sec 7.7 Sprt speed 5.2 Movement speed 85 bullet Six Kin ACR and 90 Bullet Breach SMG. Ok ,so now for you to understand. THESE GUYS Have a LOT of HP, while moving VERY fast for their EHP values, have a bonus that helps their racial weapon ( a lot, at least in these 2 cases) , etc... They are basically made for killing. I can shistand even SG to the back, i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win , i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's.. So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./ Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout: - SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units. -ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons. Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net. MEd frames are not UP. Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP. Aww how cute a scout complaining about scouts being barely nerfed... In reality scouts should be a recon unit who does not have those "Wallhacks" I keep hearing about, they should be the ones to sneak around dropping uplinks, killing snipers, informing that scout's squad about where a objectives weak spot is... not running around going "YOLO" and insta blapping every person they see! Assaults should be the only ones acting 'slayer' (Commandos maybe, but they seem to enjoy redline sniping more) Scouts should be the only ones used for recon Logis should be keeping their team alive (Which they are forced to do, thankfully) Heavies should be defenders (Exception is the Commandos.They also happen to have become a common 'slayer' class) Frames should be given freedom to choose, IMO "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5834	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:06:00 - [29] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Aww how cute a scout complaining about scouts being barely nerfed... In reality scouts should be a recon unit who does not have those "Wallhacks" I keep hearing about, they should be the ones to sneak around dropping uplinks, killing snipers, informing that scout's squad about where a objectives weak spot is... not running around going "YOLO" and insta blapping every person they see! Assaults should be the only ones acting 'slayer' (Commandos maybe, but they seem to enjoy redline sniping more) Scouts should be the only ones used for recon Logis should be keeping their team alive (Which they are forced to do, thankfully) Heavies should be defenders (Exception is the Commandos.They also happen to have become a common 'slayer' class) Frames should be given freedom to choose, IMO What. Im not complaining. Im just saying neither Scouts OR assaults (or sentinels) should complain. The only UP people here are logis (well deserved for the slayer logi era) and commandos. Thsi game is an RPG. No suit is designed for a specific purpose only....You can play your suit however you'd like. Tanked scouts, fast Sentinels , Stealthy assaults...you name it... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 144	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:44:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Aww how cute a scout complaining about scouts being barely nerfed... In reality scouts should be a recon unit who does not have those "Wallhacks" I keep hearing about, they should be the ones to sneak around dropping uplinks, killing snipers, informing that scout's squad about where a objectives weak spot is... not running around going "YOLO" and insta blapping every person they see! Assaults should be the only ones acting 'slayer' (Commandos maybe, but they seem to enjoy redline sniping more) Scouts should be the only ones used for recon Logis should be keeping their team alive (Which they are forced to do, thankfully) Heavies should be defenders (Exception is the Commandos.They also happen to have become a common 'slayer' class) Frames should be given freedom to choose, IMO What. Im not complaining. Im just saying neither Scouts OR assaults (or sentinels) should complain. The only UP people here are logis (well deserved for the slayer logi era) and commandos. Thsi game is an RPG. No suit is designed for a specific purpose only....You can play your suit however you'd like. Tanked scouts, fast Sentinels , Stealthy assaults...you name it... And as an extra note ''sir'' Raven Wing?: Doesnt matter how UP you make scouts (again) there will always be people kicking butt with them, and you will ALWAYS. i mean ALWAYS, have people that will complain about them. Why? Because people who dont know how to pay complain to get their game style/suit/weapon boosted. I say, you know what? Scouts ARE OP. Everybody go get one! (ehheehhe ) Scouts themselves are not at all OP, they are fine without the shotgun, but I myself find them wielding a shotgun good if they are using it when necessary and not for 'slayer' fits "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5225	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:45:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I would understand if you could effectivley damp all scouts with ONE cx Prof damp. This next to powerful e-war would make them pretty OP. But you need 2 cx damps to avoid proto scans, you need at LEAST 1 range amp on anything BUT a cal scout to have a 45-50mts range (that in this game is STILL way too little) No you don't? A single complex dampener will take any scout under proto scanners. Not currect. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5839	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:49:00 - [32] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Scouts themselves are not at all OP, they are fine without the shotgun, but I myself find them wielding a shotgun good if they are using it when necessary and not for 'slayer' fits Agree. But this only applies to CERTAIN maps. So a weapon taht doesnt work in every map cannot be used as focus point of balance. Its like saying the Logis are OP because a Ck.0 logi with a Thale's SR and 4 Cx Damage mods 1 HKO's 600HP assaults... Its , way to specific you see? The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
jhon hartigan Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:53:00 - [33] - Quote Hi King Checkmate. This answer comes from a real assault. I currently have 3 of the 4 assaults to Level proto and only, always run assaults, even in PC where assaults are so underused. I know very well how you can Fit an assault, I know very well the Fit you posted, I tried to make similar fits with scouts suits on protofits and they cannot reach assault's hp. But: EWAR! Scouts are slightly worse than assaults in terms of hps and dmg but they can see and they are invisible. If You d ask to any player of any fps what he would give to be able to have a perma radar with a range of 30 mtrs that can see almost everything (except scouts) I m sure they would happily give you their mom. You said the scan isnt that good, but it is... No, it is better! You have a range of 30 mtrs in wich you can See assaults logis sentinels and Commandos, you can See where they are, where they are locking at, you can also abuse of wallhack! If this isnt enough you are aslo invisible to enemy passive and active (up to proto scanners!!!) without any effort! You dont have to sacrifice a single module. You are also faster, with a better hit box, with 2 equipments and with a thing that let you be "invisible". Scouts are OP, maybe not absolutely OP, but they are, like heavies are... Why is it that you only see scouts and sentinels in PC?
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 145	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:55:00 - [34] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Scouts themselves are not at all OP, they are fine without the shotgun, but I myself find them wielding a shotgun good if they are using it when necessary and not for 'slayer' fits Agree. But this only applies to CERTAIN maps. So a weapon taht doesnt work in every map cannot be used as focus point of balance. Its like saying the Logis are OP because a Ck.0 logi with a Thale's SR and 4 Cx Damage mods 1 HKO's 600HP assaults... Its , way to specific you see? Yes, my light frame can go on killing sprees in certain maps and be useless in the next. I deem scout Balanced! mostly "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5840	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:57:00 - [35] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Hi King Checkmate. This answer comes from a real assault. I currently have 3 of the 4 assaults to Level proto and only, always run assaults, even in PC where assaults are so underused. I know very well how you can Fit an assault, I know very well the Fit you posted, I tried to make similar fits with scouts suits on protofits and they cannot reach assault's hp. But: EWAR! Scouts are slightly worse than assaults in terms of hps and dmg but they can see and they are invisible. If You d ask to any player of any fps what he would give to be able to have a perma radar with a range of 30 mtrs that can see almost everything (except scouts) I m sure they would happily give you their mom. You said the scan isnt that good, but it is... No, it is better! You have a range of 30 mtrs in wich you can See assaults logis sentinels and Commandos, you can See where they are, where they are locking at, you can also abuse of wallhack! If this isnt enough you are aslo invisible to enemy passive and active (up to proto scanners!!!) without any effort! You dont have to sacrifice a single module. You are also faster, with a better hit box, with 2 equipments and with a thing that let you be "invisible". Scouts are OP, maybe not absolutely OP, but they are, like heavies are... Why is it that you only see scouts and sentinels in PC? Hi Jhon Hartigan. I appreciate your way of posting. I'll be answering you accordingly, with some spelling mistakes since my keyboard sucks and i dont have time to be fixing everything else... ''But: EWAR! Scouts are slightly worse than assaults in terms of hps and dmg but they can see and they are invisible. '' Its NOT only more HP. Its good Mobility (compared to sentinels) More EHP than scouts and enough slots to ALSO have good regen or massive firepower. 900HP with 2 cx damage mods AK.0's are proof of that.all for a mere (20mts of natural ewar that scouts have? ) ''If You d ask to any player of any fps what he would give to be able to have a perma radar with a range of 30 mtrs that can see almost everything (except scouts) I m sure they would happily give you their mom. '' In BF3 & 4 I do use the Recon because of the Motion detectors. And yes , Ewar is cool, BUT THE RANGE. Thing is, have you seen how much 10-20-30 mts are in DUST? Go ahead, get next to any asset, and meassure the ranges. You'll see how little radar range you have. Sure , it might work in CQ situations, but considering most maps are ''OPEN'' maps now, having 40mts radar range doesnt do much for you if an HMG can kill you at 45mts..... ''You have a range of 30 mtrs in wich you can See assaults logis sentinels and Commandos, you can See where they are, where they are locking at, you can also abuse of wallhack! '' 1st i dont know what a wallhack is. Second, even if you SEE them, going against a squad of assautls is not worth it. Thats the thing, assautls are created for TEAM play. Say you can see EVERYTHING in the map. What difference would that make if everyone is running assautls in groups of 3 or more? NONE. ''If this isnt enough you are aslo invisible to enemy passive and active (up to proto scanners!!!) without any effort! You dont have to sacrifice a single module. '' Wait you think you are INVISIBLE while using a cloak? XD Even if you had 5 Proto Profile dampeners i would STILL see you standing in that corner XD Its a matter of training...and eyesight (i have glasses now!) ''You are also faster, with a better hit box, with 2 equipments and with a thing that let you be "invisible".'' Faster? depends ,.I can run any assault with over 8.2 speed and over 800EHP. And most cal/amarr scouts Aint TAHT fast Better hitbox? only the Minmatar (that needs it) and the Caldari (that is broken) Two equipments? only one, because everybody uses one for cloak. Be invisible? Well, more like LESS visible. Lets be honest anybody can shoot a moving scout,even with cloak up. ''Scouts are OP, maybe not absolutely OP, but they are, like heavies are... Why is it that you only see scouts and sentinels in PC?'' 1st, Assaults are at the level of both sentinels AND scouts. One on one tha assautl can win, and in the hands of a skilled player, WILL win. 2nd, Scouts and sentinels (and assaults) are not OP. Logis and commandos are UP. IMO at least. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:20:00 - [36] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. Have you tried the Amarr scout, armor tanked with precision mods? My buddy got it tanked at over 600 armor, while being able to scan everything bar double-damped scouts running prototype cloak fields. The Gallante scout can tank more, but cant see well. My Caldari scout tanks at 451 shields, with 2 dampeners and a cloak field, and i survive...but can't see anyone dampened So, in theory the scout ak.0 is better than an assault: Can see everything, can be dampened whilst running 500+ armor. Would you rather this ak.0 scout that can't get surprised and can still stealth attack AND tank? Or your assaults that can't see, are slow, can't stealth attack but can tank. Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:23:00 - [37] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I would understand if you could effectivley damp all scouts with ONE cx Prof damp. This next to powerful e-war would make them pretty OP. But you need 2 cx damps to avoid proto scans, you need at LEAST 1 range amp on anything BUT a cal scout to have a 45-50mts range (that in this game is STILL way too little) No you don't? A single complex dampener will take any scout under proto scanners. Not correct. What Thor Odinson2 said...to avoid proto scans you need 2 complex dampeners and a proto cloak field actie Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:26:00 - [38] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I would understand if you could effectivley damp all scouts with ONE cx Prof damp. This next to powerful e-war would make them pretty OP. But you need 2 cx damps to avoid proto scans, you need at LEAST 1 range amp on anything BUT a cal scout to have a 45-50mts range (that in this game is STILL way too little) No you don't? A single complex dampener will take any scout under proto scanners. Not correct. What Thor Odinson42 said...to avoid proto scans you need 2 complex dampeners and a proto cloak field active Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4480	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:27:00 - [39] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't move very fast at all........ this poor Amarr dreams of speed. Dude, try running 5x Reactive plates. Barely slows you down at all and you get over 700 armor and 17hp/s armor regen Love it on my Gallente Assault, especially on the Federation ADV. I only have 2 point in Assault :(
drop the ship Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:31:00 - [40] - Quote .

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 158	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:33:00 - [41] - Quote drop the ship wrote: . I believe you just started "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5847	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:50:00 - [42] - Quote xavier zor wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. Have you tried the Amarr scout, armor tanked with precision mods? My buddy got it tanked at over 600 armor, while being able to scan everything bar double-damped scouts running prototype cloak fields. The Gallante scout can tank more, but cant see well. My Caldari scout tanks at 451 shields, with 2 dampeners and a cloak field, and i survive...but can't see anyone dampened So, in theory the scout ak.0 is better than an assault: Can see everything, can be dampened whilst running 500+ armor. Would you rather this ak.0 scout that can't get surprised and can still stealth attack AND tank? Or your assaults that can't see, are slow, can't stealth attack but can tank. Ah..yes. As i said in the part you actually Quoted, i do have a Ak.0 scout. Yes. 2 precision enhancers and 650 Armor. (Total 730ish) Problem? Im slow. I still have less EHP than an assault and my radar only works for about 30 mts ( with passive skills all at @ level5) 30 mts When HMG's kill at 45. 30.... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 171	Posted - 2014.11.10 20:21:00 - [43] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win This is bullshit, it is mathematically impossible to take on a heavy head to head inside their optimal with an assault assuming equal skill and execution. KING CHECKMATE wrote: i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Yes, you can. KING CHECKMATE wrote: Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. So you can kill the bad scouts who allow you to see them, congratulations. KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's.. So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./ You seem to think the ck.0 scout is the best one, the best scout is actually the gk.0. "even Gk.0 scouts drop like flies" etc, etc. The ck.0 scout hitbox is not defective, all scouts are equally hard to hit and equally able to abuse the hell out of strafing and sketchy hit detection to completely avoid being hit. This can also be abused by assaults, logis, and even heavy suits depending on how bad lag/fps is in your specific game. KING CHECKMATE wrote: Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout: - SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units. -ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons. Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net. MEd frames are not UP. Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP. You seem to think you cant flank or stalk as an assault, and seem to think abusing the hell out of weapon ranges isnt exactly what the scout suit is for. Also the idea that scouts arent better in swarms or in a group is laughable. The second you add some sort of distraction (whether its another scout or any other suit) the scouts ability to abuse dampening and cloaks goes straight through the roof and into orbit. I do agree with you about one thing though, the assault and logi frames are not underpowered. The problem isnt with those suits. Its with the scout. The scout is overpowered.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5849	Posted - 2014.11.10 20:34:00 - [44] - Quote @ Vesta Opalus: ahha you have balls coming at me like im a noob XD. Lets argue then. me-'i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win'' you-''This is bullshit, it is mathematically impossible to take on a heavy head to head inside their optimal with an assault assuming equal skill and execution. '' HAAH matematically? maybe, but im talking about using skill. Skill outmatches maths when it comes to a game. my 900 EHP minmatar suit that runs at 7.7 can easily make 85 ACR holes on a sentinels face while strafing so fast at CQ that he can barely scratch me. Again, if you cant win with an assault you are doing it WRONG. me-''i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers.'' you-''Yes, you can.'' True. i can, but not consistently and it needs to be a head shot. me-''Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. '' you-''So you can kill the bad scouts who allow you to see them, congratulations.'' HAHA BAD scouts? you talk as if its possible to be a scout and NEVER be seen. So you know, 99% of the GOOD scouts are so agressive they prefer using the cloak to get close than to just hide...but then again im not here to criticize you play style XD Me-''So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./'' you''You seem to think the ck.0 scout is the best one, the best scout is actually the gk.0. "even Gk.0 scouts drop like flies" etc, etc. The ck.0 scout hitbox is not defective, all scouts are equally hard to hit and equally able to abuse the hell out of strafing and sketchy hit detection to completely avoid being hit. This can also be abused by assaults, logis, and even heavy suits depending on how bad lag/fps is in your specific game.'' No i dont think the Ck.0 is the best one. Its just the only one that is broken. If you stand by this suit saying its not defective then im though talking to you. Thank you, (dont) come again. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 171	Posted - 2014.11.10 20:41:00 - [45] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Vesta Opalus: ahha you have balls coming at me like im a noob XD. Lets argue then. me-'i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win'' you-''This is bullshit, it is mathematically impossible to take on a heavy head to head inside their optimal with an assault assuming equal skill and execution. '' HAAH matematically? maybe, but im talking about using skill. Skill outmatches maths when it comes to a game. my 900 EHP minmatar suit that runs at 7.7 can easily make 85 ACR holes on a sentinels face while strafing so fast at CQ that he can barely scratch me. Again, if you cant win with an assault you are doing it WRONG. Did you miss the part where I specifically said "assuming equal skill and execution"? KING CHECKMATE wrote: me-''i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers.'' you-''Yes, you can.'' True. i can, but not consistently and it needs to be a head shot. So what? You can still get 1 hit killed by snipers. Not that this even matters because sniping sucks and is virtually useless in this game. KING CHECKMATE wrote: me-''Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. '' you-''So you can kill the bad scouts who allow you to see them, congratulations.'' HAHA BAD scouts? you talk as if its possible to be a scout and NEVER be seen. So you know, 99% of the GOOD scouts are so agressive they prefer using the cloak to get close than to just hide...but then again im not here to criticize you play style XD I dont use the cloak, so regardless of what you say about how you use the cloak its not a comment about my play style. It is very possible to be a scout and stay out of the sightlines of the vast majority of the enemies for the vast majority of your play time. In fact its pretty trivial until you start getting into serious teamwork territory. And Im not just talking hiding in a corner, Im talking real scooty puff jr. running around dumping on people from behind game play. KING CHECKMATE wrote: Me-''So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./'' you''You seem to think the ck.0 scout is the best one, the best scout is actually the gk.0. "even Gk.0 scouts drop like flies" etc, etc. The ck.0 scout hitbox is not defective, all scouts are equally hard to hit and equally able to abuse the hell out of strafing and sketchy hit detection to completely avoid being hit. This can also be abused by assaults, logis, and even heavy suits depending on how bad lag/fps is in your specific game.'' No i dont think the Ck.0 is the best one. Its just the only one that is broken. If you stand by this suit saying its not defective then im though talking to you. You're through talking to me? Oh no, please don't throw me into the briar patch, that would be horrible.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 38	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:02:00 - [46] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Yep Assaults are pretty good. It's more of an issue of people not knowing how to use them. Now if Assault suits could make decent EWAR fits... That would be cool! ^^ This EWAR modules should not have diminishing returns in regards to stacking, Sacrifing EHP should be rewarded.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1103	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:35:00 - [47] - Quote Scouts need to lose the second equipment slot. You should be able to cloak or RE me but not both. They need some drawback there is no role they can't fill, I haven't used my logi since scouts were buffed, there is no point, you're just going to lose an expensive suit to a shotgun in the back. Besides that I can just use a scout suit to use nearly as much equipment as I could on a logi anyway. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 172	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:51:00 - [48] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Scouts need to lose the second equipment slot. You should be able to cloak or RE me but not both. They need some drawback there is no role they can't fill, I haven't used my logi since scouts were buffed, there is no point, you're just going to lose an expensive suit to a shotgun in the back. Besides that I can just use a scout suit to use nearly as much equipment as I could on a logi anyway. I really dont understand you guys who use scout as a logi. As a minmatar logi I have a big rep tool bonus, 2 additional equipment slots, and much better hp, whats the advantage you are seeing when you run a scout logi? Sure if youre just spamming out uplinks and you dont care about the spawn timer bonus from Amarr and dont care about having 2/3rds to half the uplinks per suit... Or if you are dropping nanohives and dont care about caldari logi bonus or again having 2-5 additional hives... Or if you are repping a squad of heavies and dont care about having nanohives/injectors/scanner on hand to help as needed... The only situations where I can see scout being even close to as good is either dropping initial uplinks after running from starting spawns, or just running around as a free agent doing incidental support, which I would argue is not exactly what the logi is supposed to be doing. So whats the attraction of these people running scout logis, because I cant stand doing it? I miss my equipment slots every single time. If scout logis can replace actual logis why doesnt this actually happen in Planetary Conquest?
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5849	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:57:00 - [49] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Scouts need to lose the second equipment slot. You should be able to cloak or RE me but not both. They need some drawback there is no role they can't fill, I haven't used my logi since scouts were buffed, there is no point, you're just going to lose an expensive suit to a shotgun in the back. Besides that I can just use a scout suit to use nearly as much equipment as I could on a logi anyway. As a scout i REALLY wouldnt mind this. Although i am against NERFS , i do think that with a hit detection fix on the cal scout, the scouts are balanced with Assautls and Sentinels. Logis and Commandos need to be buffed. Thats all. (Logis need better bonuses. One for SURVIVAl , one for equipments// Commandos need a speed upgrade. They are supposed to be in between Assautls and Sentinels, but they have the worst of them both. Assault EHP (compared to sentinel) and Sentinesl Speed (compared to assault)) The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5849	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:58:00 - [50] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Yep Assaults are pretty good. It's more of an issue of people not knowing how to use them. Now if Assault suits could make decent EWAR fits... That would be cool! ^^ This EWAR modules should not have diminishing returns in regards to stacking, Sacrifing EHP should be rewarded. Agreed. Med frames SHOULD also be able to have some type of decent E-war capabilities...The logis btw, do have a lot of future in this. But makes it useless since, well, active scanners. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5850	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:00:00 - [51] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: blabla , bla ba Look! is the dude that think Ck.0 scouts dont have the hit detection broken. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Jathniel G I A N T 1255	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:07:00 - [52] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. about 3 or 4 days ago i wrote this: why people who are not scouts can't see we are already nerfed. What happened is i got some heat by people saying scouts are OP. And they are broken , and what now... Some dude even told me i would never know how OP they are until i play like a med frame vs scouts... So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits. The ones i decided to use were Gk.0 and Mk.0 , because they both use CQ-MED weapons (AR+CR) that i got used to while playing as a scout. Im not playing scout again for a long time. (exact number will be updated when im at home {im at work ATM}) Gk.0 300+ Shields 500+ Armor 30+ Armor rep per sec 20 shield regen per sec 1 cx Damage mod AR or BAR or TAC (all are great with this suit) Sprt speed 7.35 Mvoement (i think it is) 5 Mk.0 450+ Shields 450 + Armor 14+ armor rep per sec 40 Shield regen per sec 7.7 Sprt speed 5.2 Movement speed 85 bullet Six Kin ACR and 90 Bullet Breach SMG. Ok ,so now for you to understand. THESE GUYS Have a LOT of HP, while moving VERY fast for their EHP values, have a bonus that helps their racial weapon ( a lot, at least in these 2 cases) , etc... They are basically made for killing. I can shistand even SG to the back, i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win , i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit. Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's.. So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is: The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields? BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./ Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout: - SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units. -ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons. Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net. MEd frames are not UP. Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP. Exactly, why I'm mostly running assault now. I've observed that Scouts not running NK or SG, that get the drop on me, they can't handle the adverse reaction because of sheer eHP difference. Simply put, they can't last long enough to get the kill. A good example is the match the other night when I was facing you. You killed me repeatedly in my BPO fit. I could not get you off that objective unless I met your proto with my own. Even then I was at the disadvantage with the shield suit. And halfmy team quit mid fight, when I was trying to do crossfires with them... even though we were WINNING. A good match, we won, but there was no incentive to fight. I lost 3 pro suits. Assaults are in a very good place right now. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5850	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:09:00 - [53] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Exactly, why I'm mostly running assault now. I've observed that Scouts not running NK or SG, that get the drop on me, they can't handle the adverse reaction because of sheer eHP difference. Simply put, they can't last long enough to get the kill. A good example is the match the other night when I was facing you. You killed me repeatedly in my BPO fit. I could not get you off that objective unless I met your proto with my own. Even then I was at the disadvantage with the shield suit. And halfmy team quit mid fight, when I was trying to do crossfires with them... even though we were WINNING. A good match, we won, but there was no incentive to fight. I lost 3 pro suits. Assaults are in a very good place right now. Very GG's BTW. Im sorry i wasn't enough of a challenge but i ususally run solo.... and considering Scotty's late Machups...well... XD Lets say i felt pretty alone there...freakn blues XD The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 172	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:14:00 - [54] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: blabla , bla ba Look! is the dude that think Ck.0 scouts dont have the hit detection broken. Yes, yes, its a popular meme on the forums to claim that their hit detection is broken in some way. If its so broken, make a video contrasting Cal scout hitbox with other scouts hitboxes, put it on youtube, and prove it. Put up or shut up. I want scouts being able to bullettime their way through hmg storms to be fixed too, but I want it fixed for all scouts, all assaults, all suits. Its not just unique to the calscout, and all these people making claims that there is something specifically broken about the calscout hitbox are just missing the real issue that is fundamental to the game: people can exploit strafing to magically avoid damage and walk through hails of bullets. So until someone provides some actual reproducable proof, this calscout hitbox junk will be just exactly what it is, a bunch of uninformed or mistaken people spouting bullshit.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5850	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:25:00 - [55] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: bla blabal , blabal. Hey look! is the dude that CANT kill a Sentinel 1 on 1 with an Assault suit! XD The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 172	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:45:00 - [56] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: bla blabal , blabal. Hey look! is the dude that CANT kill a Sentinel 1 on 1 with an Assault suit! XD okok. Troll apart. Bro, just stop it. You are talking to a dude that has Main scouts for a VERY LONG TIME and used to use the Ck.0 a lot. Lately (before the assault experience) as my main suit too. Dont try to defend it. You are making a fool of yourself.. You say you cant kill a sentinel with an assault suit if they both have the same skill llevel? IVE SEEN C/1 Series Scouts survive infront of heavies and kill the heavy with a Toxin AR. This is at 20 or less meters. The Sentinel being a proto old school player. nonono...bro...just STOP. Yeah? Well Ive done that in a minmatar quafe assault, whats your point? Strafing is broken. Cal Scout is not (at least not in the hitbox department).
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5860	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:58:00 - [57] - Quote Vesta Opalus:''Yeah? Well Ive done that in a minmatar quafe assault, whats your point? Strafing is broken. Cal Scout is not (at least not in the hitbox department)'' OH im sorry. Vesta Opalus says the hti box is not broken. Sorry ppl. If he says its not broken then its not. XD AHHAHA Im going to go ahead and check on the fits you have been using lately, IM SURE i'll find a Ck.0 scout around there.... And then the trolling will begin. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5860	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:59:00 - [58] - Quote An update. I got a Min scout all the way to 10.3 sprint speed ( and 5.30 movement) and still have 800 EHP. HAHAHA Ah haha ah...man..these assault suits... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....


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