No you don't?
A single complex dampener will take any scout under proto scanners.

Scouts themselves are not at all OP, they are fine without the shotgun, but I myself find them wielding a shotgun good if they are using it when necessary and not for 'slayer' fits

Agree. But this only applies to CERTAIN maps. So a weapon taht doesnt work in every map cannot be used as focus point of balance.

Its like saying the Logis are OP because a Ck.0 logi with a Thale's SR and 4 Cx Damage mods 1 HKO's 600HP assaults...
Its , way to specific you see?

Hi King Checkmate. This answer comes from a real assault. I currently have 3 of the 4 assaults to Level proto and only, always run assaults, even in PC where assaults are so underused.

I know very well how you can Fit an assault, I know very well the Fit you posted, I tried to make similar fits with scouts suits on protofits and they cannot reach assault's hp.

But: EWAR! Scouts are slightly worse than assaults in terms of hps and dmg but they can see and they are invisible.

If You d ask to any player of any fps what he would give to be able to have a perma radar with a range of 30 mtrs that can see almost everything (except scouts) I m sure they would happily give you their mom.

You said the scan isnt that good, but it is... No, it is better!

You have a range of 30 mtrs in wich you can See assaults logis sentinels and Commandos, you can See where they are, where they are locking at, you can also abuse of wallhack!

If this isnt enough you are aslo invisible to enemy passive and active (up to proto scanners!!!) without any effort! You dont have to sacrifice a single module.

You are also faster, with a better hit box, with 2 equipments and with a thing that let you be "invisible".

Scouts are OP, maybe not absolutely OP, but they are, like heavies are... Why is it that you only see scouts and sentinels in PC?

So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits.

Not correct.

Not correct.

Dude, try running 5x Reactive plates.

Barely slows you down at all and you get over 700 armor and 17hp/s armor regen

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Have you tried the Amarr scout, armor tanked with precision mods? My buddy got it tanked at over 600 armor, while being able to scan everything bar double-damped scouts running prototype cloak fields. The Gallante scout can tank more, but cant see well. My Caldari scout tanks at 451 shields, with 2 dampeners and a cloak field, and i survive...but can't see anyone dampened

So, in theory the scout ak.0 is better than an assault: Can see everything, can be dampened whilst running 500+ armor. Would you rather this ak.0 scout that can't get surprised and can still stealth attack AND tank? Or your assaults that can't see, are slow, can't stealth attack but can tank.

i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win

i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers.

Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit.

Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's..

So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is:
The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields?
BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./

Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout:

- SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units.
-ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons.

Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net.

MEd frames are not UP.

Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP.

@ Vesta Opalus: ahha you have balls coming at me like im a noob XD. Lets argue then.

me-'i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win''
you-''This is bullshit, it is mathematically impossible to take on a heavy head to head inside their optimal with an assault assuming equal skill and execution. ''
HAAH matematically? maybe, but im talking about using skill. Skill outmatches maths when it comes to a game.
my 900 EHP minmatar suit that runs at 7.7 can easily make 85 ACR holes on a sentinels face while strafing so fast at CQ that he can barely scratch me. Again, if you cant win with an assault you are doing it WRONG.

Yep Assaults are pretty good. It's more of an issue of people not knowing how to use them. Now if Assault suits could make decent EWAR fits... That would be cool!

Scouts need to lose the second equipment slot. You should be able to cloak or RE me but not both. They need some drawback there is no role they can't fill, I haven't used my logi since scouts were buffed, there is no point, you're just going to lose an expensive suit to a shotgun in the back. Besides that I can just use a scout suit to use nearly as much equipment as I could on a logi anyway.

Scouts need to lose the second equipment slot. You should be able to cloak or RE me but not both. They need some drawback there is no role they can't fill, I haven't used my logi since scouts were buffed, there is no point, you're just going to lose an expensive suit to a shotgun in the back. Besides that I can just use a scout suit to use nearly as much equipment as I could on a logi anyway.

^^
This

EWAR modules should not have diminishing returns in regards to stacking,

Sacrifing EHP should be rewarded.

blabla , bla ba

So.
about 3 or 4 days ago i wrote this:
why people who are not scouts can't see we are already nerfed.

What happened is i got some heat by people saying scouts are OP. And they are broken , and what now...
Some dude even told me i would never know how OP they are until i play like a med frame vs scouts...

So i went ahead, bought a respec, got all my scout stuff even my Ck.0 and Ak.0 to proto. And after everything was done i went ahead and bought 2 ASSAULT suits.

The ones i decided to use were Gk.0 and Mk.0 , because they both use CQ-MED weapons (AR+CR) that i got used to while playing as a scout.





Im not playing scout again for a long time.


(exact number will be updated when im at home {im at work ATM})

Gk.0
300+ Shields
500+ Armor
30+ Armor rep per sec
20 shield regen per sec
1 cx Damage mod
AR or BAR or TAC (all are great with this suit)
Sprt speed 7.35
Mvoement (i think it is) 5

Mk.0
450+ Shields
450 + Armor
14+ armor rep per sec
40 Shield regen per sec
7.7 Sprt speed
5.2 Movement speed
85 bullet Six Kin ACR and 90 Bullet Breach SMG.



Ok ,so now for you to understand. THESE GUYS Have a LOT of HP, while moving VERY fast for their EHP values, have a bonus that helps their racial weapon ( a lot, at least in these 2 cases) , etc...
They are basically made for killing. I can shistand even SG to the back, i can stand infront of a Sentinel and win , i cannot get 1HKOd by snipers. Im not afraid of scouts because if i see them they will die, regardless of their fit.
Yeah even Ck.0 scouts drop like flies vs my Gk.0 AR's..


So overall, the only thing i will admit Med frame whiners have correct is:
The Ck.0 Scout hitbox is defective. 85 Shots out of my ACR and i only too down 50 Shields?
BROOOKEEEENNN... but besides this i really dont see what all the fuzz is about./

Want to play good as an assault? just do the opposite as a scout:

- SCOUT: Flank enemy groups/Stalk slow units.
-ASSAULT: Stick together with your blue dots / Position yourself to abuse the range of your weapons.

Even as a solo player, if i stick to 1 or 2 other blue dots, the power of my suit multiplies. Its the CONTRARY to scout suits, that i prefer being alone so that enemies wont come MY way because tehy are seeing a friendly blue on their tac net.

MEd frames are not UP.

Nerf hammer + Community QQers = are OP.

Exactly, why I'm mostly running assault now.

I've observed that Scouts not running NK or SG, that get the drop on me, they can't handle the adverse reaction because of sheer eHP difference. Simply put, they can't last long enough to get the kill.

A good example is the match the other night when I was facing you. You killed me repeatedly in my BPO fit. I could not get you off that objective unless I met your proto with my own. Even then I was at the disadvantage with the shield suit. And halfmy team quit mid fight, when I was trying to do crossfires with them... even though we were WINNING.

A good match, we won, but there was no incentive to fight. I lost 3 pro suits.

Assaults are in a very good place right now.

bla blabal , blabal.

Hey look! is the dude that CANT kill a Sentinel 1 on 1 with an Assault suit! XD














okok. Troll apart. Bro, just stop it. You are talking to a dude that has Main scouts for a VERY LONG TIME and used to use the Ck.0 a lot. Lately (before the assault experience) as my main suit too.

Dont try to defend it. You are making a fool of yourself..

You say you cant kill a sentinel with an assault suit if they both have the same skill llevel?

IVE SEEN C/1 Series Scouts survive infront of heavies and kill the heavy with a Toxin AR. This is at 20 or less meters. The Sentinel being a proto old school player.

nonono...bro...just STOP.