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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4730	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:48:00 - [1] - Quote Make LAVs take full damage from all weapons please. they're supposed to be Light, not tanklike. One should always have the option of blowing the engine block, and the people who run them should be actively encouraged to actually FIT them. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2795	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:53:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed 100%. Except not 100% damage, more like 60% would be acceptable, so that they can't be lolinvincible murder machines that track down lone infantry and kill them with impunity (imagine a scout that you couldn't kill who can run faster than the current scouts and could kill you just by touching you. Thats a murder taxi). "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4734	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:58:00 - [3] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Agreed 100%. Except not 100% damage, more like 60% would be acceptable, so that they can't be lolinvincible murder machines that track down lone infantry and kill them with impunity (imagine a scout that you couldn't kill who can run faster than the current scouts and could kill you just by touching you. Thats a murder taxi). nope. anything less than 100 and you won't stop the murder taxis Reduced damage should be reserved for Medium vehicles like dropships and heavy vehicles. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 906	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:56:00 - [4] - Quote I just use my Proxies. Also, I have now found my new love. Minmando with CR and Swarms. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto" Forum Warrior)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4744	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:59:00 - [5] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: I just use my Proxies. Also, I have now found my new love. Minmando with CR and Swarms. I feel that prox mines are better utilized on tanks EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 35	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote Didn't your parents teach you not to play in the street?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5736	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:24:00 - [7] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: I just use my Proxies. Also, I have now found my new love. Minmando with CR and Swarms. My problem with them is that they still take 2 to 3 shots from my proto swarms before exploding. If I am running proto, those cheap pieces of crap should explode in one go unless they put some serious SP and ISK into them. I don't mind that standard LAV are relatively cheap, but they shouldn't be cheap AND take as many shots to down as an ADS. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 907	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:28:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: I just use my Proxies. Also, I have now found my new love. Minmando with CR and Swarms. I feel that prox mines are better utilized on tanks In my experience, they actually were my number 1 goto for when people brought out Logistic LAVs during the old murder taxi days. They are good against tanks in that they crowd control them a bit. Bad tankers drive right over them and blow up. Good tankers hear the warning and stop before going in the city. At best for them, and worst for me, they harden their tank and the least I do is damage them without getting a kill. The most hilarious kills happen when the LAVs drive over them, I kill the driver and the vehicle stays alive somehow. So far had that happen twice. TL;DR: Proxies are the best way to kill murder taxis drivers. They are out to run people over (aka get free/easy/cheap kills), all the while, not paying attention to proxies. The warning alerts them as they are going top speed with very little time to react. Top it off with putting them at choke points (nowhere to go but over them) and it's an assured Damage, Destruction, and Kill WPs for me. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto" Forum Warrior)
ImIvan 40	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:01:00 - [9] - Quote Suggested this before, didn't get any support -.- One Eyed King wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: I just use my Proxies. Also, I have now found my new love. Minmando with CR and Swarms. My problem with them is that they still take 2 to 3 shots from my proto swarms before exploding. If I am running proto, those cheap pieces of crap should explode in one go unless they put some serious SP and ISK into them. I don't mind that standard LAV are relatively cheap, but they shouldn't be cheap AND take as many shots to down as an ADS. My 6,000 ISK LAV can take 4 swarms volleys/forge gun shots/Rail gun shots before it goes down. (BPO LAV with 2 MILITIA shield boosters) Why must you use prototypes?
Kuruld Sengar Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 31	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:15:00 - [10] - Quote Horrible idea. They are restricted in where they can go, and it would be far too easy to have an lav sprayed to the afterlife up to what is it? 120 metres by rail rifles?

Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 78	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote I feel theres two possible options: 1. Reduce HP. This will lead the way for MV. I imagine them as troop carriers with SOME firepower 2. Make engine compartments. This opens the door for ammunition bags that if shot, will make a mini explosion or kill nearby passengers. Right now they fill the niche of a prover Light vehicule and Medium Vehicule. Until we have Medius, expect imbalances. Amarr Victor
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2389	Posted - 2014.11.10 08:13:00 - [12] - Quote LAV`s are not hard to take out, if you want to destroy light armour, use a light or heavy AV weapon. Remotes, proxy mines, AV grenades, turrets and installations or heaven forbid, your own vehicle! What next.... "Derp CCP Make my rifle able to shoot tanks and dropships derp" (Oh wait they already do decimate Python Armour.) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4776	Posted - 2014.11.10 08:52:00 - [13] - Quote There is no reason for a jeep to take hits like an HAV. Currently free LAVs are able to soak two shots from proto AV, and are immune to small arms fire. AV grenades will not stop one before it vomits out an HMG heavy. I want LAVs to be vulnerable because they massively contribute to easy heavy kills via murder taxi. This is one of the primary contributing factors because you do not have to fit any modules to get survivability. Only drivers who actually skill in and make good fits should be able to survive like they do. Because LAVs are so durable there is little reason to cooperate with dropship pilots for transport. And no, dropship resistances should not be reduced. But why do you want LAVs to be so tanky? Is it because you want them to be challenging? Seriously they are dirt cheap/free. You should get what you pay for. And if you allow infantry to disable and destroy untanked LAVs then you're going to see less heavies teleporting in and out of them. They will become the sole domain of skilled drivers willing to put in the skill investment. HAVs and Dropships require a heavy investment to not be used as fertilizer by enemy infantry on the field. Why should LAVs be any different? The other option would be reducing the base hull EHP and let AV and AV nades instapop cheapfits. But I will say one more time: There is no justification for a jeep to take hits like a gunnlogi. Oh and this would make JLAVs into a harder mode of AV. Not impossible, but harder. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Kuruld Sengar Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 32	Posted - 2014.11.10 09:24:00 - [14] - Quote Reducing the survivability of jeeps so they can be one shotted by any av? The base cost is 45k right? That is above the cost of my advanced suits I run. Assuming they are one shotted, not only is my relatively expensive unfitted car destroyed, my suit cost and that of my passengers is also lost because of a 600 isk av grenade? No. "Only drivers who actually skill in and make good fits should be able to survive like they do." ~ Breakin Stuff In no way do I see how LAVs are surviving as well as tanks. Also, they have limited fire power and require two people to use that firepower effectively. Is the issue that your AV is not killing LAVs as they race past, or that they are tanking your AV? Because if they are tanking it, chances are they are about as tanked as we can make them with the limited slots/pc/cpu compared to tanks. And if you are not able to kill them on the move, good. Most light vehicles run immediately from AV because if they don't it will kill them/us very quickly. - My verdict/opinion This is a bad idea.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4776	Posted - 2014.11.10 09:40:00 - [15] - Quote It wouldn't allow AV to one shot them. AV already runs 100% efficiency vs LAVs. How does making them vulnerable to small arms = instapop by AV? Making an LAV vulnerable to fire from line infantry does not equal increasing vulnerability to AV. At no point am I suggesting that dropping the eHP to instapop should be a thing. I am suggesting that an AV weapon shouldn't be needed. LAVs are as expensive as a fitted suit. They should be similarly vulnerable to small arms. Im suggesting removing the resistance to light weapons and sidearms, not increasing AV damage. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3764	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:06:00 - [16] - Quote I think 100% damage is a good idea. The LAV will still be resistant to small arms fire by the nature of the shield recharge and it's damage threshold, so you would still have to hit it with a high alpha weapon like a flux nade to get the shield to stop repping before infantry weapons could really make a difference. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2389	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:14:00 - [17] - Quote If you guys dont think that LAV`s are vulnerable then I honestly don't know what to say. You are basically saying "I don't want to use the actual counters and damage dealers, instead I want everything COD-ified." I say this as a plasma cannon user who regularly deals with all sort of vehicles. If I can do it, you guys can too. This is not about balance this is just a stupid thread. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3764	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:30:00 - [18] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: If you guys dont think that LAV`s are vulnerable then I honestly don't know what to say. You are basically saying "I don't want to use the actual counters and damage dealers, instead I want everything COD-ified." I say this as a plasma cannon user who regularly deals with all sort of vehicles. If I can do it, you guys can too. This is not about balance this is just a stupid thread. I've murder taxied for almost 2 years, so I'm very familiar with the process and the counters. With BPO LAVs making a comeback this week it's better to nip this in the bud now. As a murder taxi user it is far too easy for me to wreak havoc with no retribution. Also, the LAV is too easy of a method to use to have to force an enemy to disarm and switch to AV in all honestly. The cool thing about a damage profile change is that it doesn't effect the alpha that a LAV can take it just means a driver has to think twice before barreling into a whole mess of infantry as you might say in a "COD-ified" untactical manner. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4781	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:51:00 - [19] - Quote I'm also an HMG murder taxi driver and I have free LAVs. Always have. Infantry used to be able to stop murder taxis with AV nades. This is no longer a reliable method. However, if you use an AV nade to break an LAVs regen then have the ability to finish with your main weapon you have the option to do something in response rather than being required to swap to full AV. Full AV should be required for tanks and dropships. Having to go full AV to kill a jeep is just making a lot of spam easier. Besides, what justification is there for regular line infantry to be unable to kill jeeps besides reflexive cries of vehicle superiority or being a heavy who is a taxi addict? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4782	Posted - 2014.11.10 12:06:00 - [20] - Quote In case the crayon we spelled this out in isn't clear enough... Two of the merc packs come with LAV BPOs. You're about to see jeep spam that will prevent HAV and dropships from being deployed. 90% of these jeeps will have one or more HMG on board. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

Kuruld Sengar Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 33	Posted - 2014.11.10 12:18:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm also an HMG murder taxi driver and I have free LAVs. Always have. Infantry used to be able to stop murder taxis with AV nades. This is no longer a reliable method. However, if you use an AV nade to break an LAVs regen then have the ability to finish with your main weapon you have the option to do something in response rather than being required to swap to full AV. Full AV should be required for tanks and dropships. Having to go full AV to kill a jeep is just making a lot of spam easier. Besides, what justification is there for regular line infantry to be unable to kill jeeps besides reflexive cries of vehicle superiority or being a heavy who is a taxi addict? There is no reason why LAVs have to be solo killed by infantry. There is a limit of 6 vehicles per match (at most). If any single infantry unit could pop an LAV, what's to stop me from running around with a MK.0 scout with all kinkats, a flux grenade and a BK-42 , and soloing any LAV on the field? To quote someone's signature from this forum ( can't remember who), "Dust is a thinking man's shooter." If you can't coordinate, use the established and highly effective counters already in place or simply change tactics to avoid the LAV threat altogether, then your time may be better spent grinding for a swarm launcher than posting pointless and overpowered requests on the forum.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2389	Posted - 2014.11.10 12:22:00 - [22] - Quote Notice a common theme here...... HMG murder taxi drivers. I would argue the inherent problem is with HMG`s and LAV`s. I would also argue that you find it easy because barely anyone ever wants to deal with them. We all know how some 'blueberries' act in this game. A LAV is a vehicle, if using vehicles does not solicit the need for anti vehicle weaponry then I am at a loss. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2389	Posted - 2014.11.10 12:24:00 - [23] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Besides, what justification is there for regular line infantry to be unable to kill jeeps besides reflexive cries of vehicle superiority or being a heavy who is a taxi addict? There is nothing stopping any regular line infantry as you call it, picking up a plasma cannon, a swarm launcher, an AV grenade, remote explosives, proximity explosive, manning an installation etc.... Please don't get me wrong Breakin - I like your posts I tend to agree with you on a whole hosts of issues but in this instance I have to respectfully disagree. Yes LAV HMG wheelchair heavies are an annoyance but that is specific to the design of the HMG. There have been many proposals for that specific issue. Also - Interesting they are bringing back BPO LAVs? I might have to finally purchase one of those. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4783	Posted - 2014.11.10 12:41:00 - [24] - Quote Saying that you should have to fit full AV to stop an LAV is like claiming that you should have to carry a rocket launcher to stop a hummvee. Bullet through the engine block should be an option for stopping a car. And when I say BPOs I mean be ready for LAV SPAM. There are going to be angry rant posts from tank and dropship pilots within a month because the vehicle queue is going to be choked by jeeps and you cannot kill them fast enough to clear the queue. Not only that a functional JLAV fit costs 8,000 ISK with the BPO LAVs. LAVs need to be nipped in the bud now or you won't be able to deploy a tank and there will be HMG murder taxis all over the place. There needs to be a CLEAR disadvantage to using an unfit LAV or we will repeat all of the ******** crap we had bef EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 335	Posted - 2014.11.10 12:57:00 - [25] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Make LAVs take full damage from all weapons please. they're supposed to be Light, not tanklike. One should always have the option of blowing the engine block, and the people who run them should be actively encouraged to actually FIT them. full damage? No. Provided we can get around shield regen howeever, 50% effeciency? Just like nova knives, so one guy pining you aint that much of threat but try to murder taxi a crowd....KaBoom Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Green Living Gallente Gay Swag Club 1267	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:26:00 - [26] - Quote Two Lai Dai packed grenades destroys every free LAV and nets you close to 2000wp if you get the driver.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4784	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:34:00 - [27] - Quote Green Living wrote: Two Lai Dai packed grenades destroys every free LAV and nets you close to 2000wp if you get the driver. Why does it require proto AV to kill an std/mlt cheapfit? Answer me with logic and rationality why this is justified. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2390	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:44:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Green Living wrote: Two Lai Dai packed grenades destroys every free LAV and nets you close to 2000wp if you get the driver. Why does it require proto AV to kill an std/mlt cheapfit? Answer me with logic and rationality why this is justified. It does not require anything. It is all a matter of choice and matter of efficiency. Also LAV`s are not humvees, they have energy shields of some type as well as futuristic armour that has the ability to regenerate using nanites etc... The only balance issue with LAV`s right now is HMG heavies being able to use them to good effect. Nerfing LAV`s as a whole just because of one edge case scenario is poor and improper balancing. LAV`s are not even hard to take out! HMG`s and Nova Knives can destroy them for goodness sake. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:50:00 - [29] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Make LAVs take full damage from all weapons please. they're supposed to be Light, not tanklike. One should always have the option of blowing the engine block, and the people who run them should be actively encouraged to actually FIT them. 1. Nope 2. You already have Nova Knives wich deal 100% damage to all vehicles 3. The HMG got buffed if i remember correctly 4. You have proxy mines, learn to use them 5. Have a suit with AV nades equipped 6. Use installations 7. Use AV in general 8. Get good is the proper answer i suppose
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4787	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:59:00 - [30] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Make LAVs take full damage from all weapons please. they're supposed to be Light, not tanklike. One should always have the option of blowing the engine block, and the people who run them should be actively encouraged to actually FIT them. 1. Nope 2. You already have Nova Knives wich deal 100% damage to all vehicles 3. The HMG got buffed if i remember correctly 4. You have proxy mines, learn to use them 5. Have a suit with AV nades equipped 6. Use installations 7. Use AV in general 8. Get good is the proper answer i suppose 1. Yup 2. NK do 50% 3.HMG cannot break shield recharge 4. Proxy mines don't help againt murder taxiz unless you intend to play minefield babysitter 5. AV nades suck at anything pre-prototype. Std and mlt AV is insufficient to rapidly destroy an unfit mlt/std freefit 6. You mean the installations tank drivers make a point of destroying before they can be taken? 7. More idiocy. Its a damn jeep. You shouldn't need swarms or a forge to kill tgem. 8. You're a pro vehicle biasmonger who refuses to listen to anyone while making annoying lists. Until you learn to talk like a functional human being with paragraphs your opinions will be considered invalid. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.



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