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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.09 17:48:00 -
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Make LAVs take full damage from all weapons please. they're supposed to be Light, not tanklike.
One should always have the option of blowing the engine block, and the people who run them should be actively encouraged to actually FIT them.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.09 18:58:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Agreed 100%. Except not 100% damage, more like 60% would be acceptable, so that they can't be lolinvincible murder machines that track down lone infantry and kill them with impunity (imagine a scout that you couldn't kill who can run faster than the current scouts and could kill you just by touching you. Thats a murder taxi).
nope. anything less than 100 and you won't stop the murder taxis
Reduced damage should be reserved for Medium vehicles like dropships and heavy vehicles.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.09 20:59:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:I just use my Proxies.
Also, I have now found my new love. Minmando with CR and Swarms.
I feel that prox mines are better utilized on tanks
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 08:52:00 -
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There is no reason for a jeep to take hits like an HAV.
Currently free LAVs are able to soak two shots from proto AV, and are immune to small arms fire. AV grenades will not stop one before it vomits out an HMG heavy.
I want LAVs to be vulnerable because they massively contribute to easy heavy kills via murder taxi. This is one of the primary contributing factors because you do not have to fit any modules to get survivability.
Only drivers who actually skill in and make good fits should be able to survive like they do. Because LAVs are so durable there is little reason to cooperate with dropship pilots for transport. And no, dropship resistances should not be reduced.
But why do you want LAVs to be so tanky? Is it because you want them to be challenging? Seriously they are dirt cheap/free. You should get what you pay for.
And if you allow infantry to disable and destroy untanked LAVs then you're going to see less heavies teleporting in and out of them. They will become the sole domain of skilled drivers willing to put in the skill investment.
HAVs and Dropships require a heavy investment to not be used as fertilizer by enemy infantry on the field. Why should LAVs be any different?
The other option would be reducing the base hull EHP and let AV and AV nades instapop cheapfits.
But I will say one more time: There is no justification for a jeep to take hits like a gunnlogi.
Oh and this would make JLAVs into a harder mode of AV. Not impossible, but harder.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 09:40:00 -
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It wouldn't allow AV to one shot them.
AV already runs 100% efficiency vs LAVs.
How does making them vulnerable to small arms = instapop by AV?
Making an LAV vulnerable to fire from line infantry does not equal increasing vulnerability to AV.
At no point am I suggesting that dropping the eHP to instapop should be a thing. I am suggesting that an AV weapon shouldn't be needed. LAVs are as expensive as a fitted suit. They should be similarly vulnerable to small arms.
Im suggesting removing the resistance to light weapons and sidearms, not increasing AV damage.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 11:51:00 -
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I'm also an HMG murder taxi driver and I have free LAVs. Always have.
Infantry used to be able to stop murder taxis with AV nades. This is no longer a reliable method.
However, if you use an AV nade to break an LAVs regen then have the ability to finish with your main weapon you have the option to do something in response rather than being required to swap to full AV.
Full AV should be required for tanks and dropships. Having to go full AV to kill a jeep is just making a lot of spam easier.
Besides, what justification is there for regular line infantry to be unable to kill jeeps besides reflexive cries of vehicle superiority or being a heavy who is a taxi addict?
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:06:00 -
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In case the crayon we spelled this out in isn't clear enough...
Two of the merc packs come with LAV BPOs.
You're about to see jeep spam that will prevent HAV and dropships from being deployed.
90% of these jeeps will have one or more HMG on board.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:41:00 -
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Saying that you should have to fit full AV to stop an LAV is like claiming that you should have to carry a rocket launcher to stop a hummvee.
Bullet through the engine block should be an option for stopping a car.
And when I say BPOs I mean be ready for LAV SPAM.
There are going to be angry rant posts from tank and dropship pilots within a month because the vehicle queue is going to be choked by jeeps and you cannot kill them fast enough to clear the queue.
Not only that a functional JLAV fit costs 8,000 ISK with the BPO LAVs.
LAVs need to be nipped in the bud now or you won't be able to deploy a tank and there will be HMG murder taxis all over the place.
There needs to be a CLEAR disadvantage to using an unfit LAV or we will repeat all of the ******** crap we had bef
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 13:34:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Two Lai Dai packed grenades destroys every free LAV and nets you close to 2000wp if you get the driver.
Why does it require proto AV to kill an std/mlt cheapfit?
Answer me with logic and rationality why this is justified.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 13:59:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Make LAVs take full damage from all weapons please. they're supposed to be Light, not tanklike.
One should always have the option of blowing the engine block, and the people who run them should be actively encouraged to actually FIT them. 1. Nope 2. You already have Nova Knives wich deal 100% damage to all vehicles 3. The HMG got buffed if i remember correctly 4. You have proxy mines, learn to use them 5. Have a suit with AV nades equipped 6. Use installations 7. Use AV in general 8. Get good is the proper answer i suppose
1. Yup
2. NK do 50%
3.HMG cannot break shield recharge
4. Proxy mines don't help againt murder taxiz unless you intend to play minefield babysitter
5. AV nades suck at anything pre-prototype. Std and mlt AV is insufficient to rapidly destroy an unfit mlt/std freefit
6. You mean the installations tank drivers make a point of destroying before they can be taken?
7. More idiocy. Its a damn jeep. You shouldn't need swarms or a forge to kill tgem.
8. You're a pro vehicle biasmonger who refuses to listen to anyone while making annoying lists. Until you learn to talk like a functional human being with paragraphs your opinions will be considered invalid.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 15:20:00 -
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It's very simple. We can either push for a reasonable solution before it becomes a problem...
Or I can spend the next three weeks demonstrating to all of the random blueberries in the squuad finder the fair and balanced uses for freeLAVs.
So which is it? Try to catch this early, or should people like me deliberately induce the problem as early as possible so the fix comes sooner?
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 17:32:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:In the past LAVs used to be less resilient. Two swarms, FG shots or AV grenades would usually do the trick. A proto sentinel used to be more in danger while driving an LAV than when he walked to his destination.
Personally I think the best option here is to reduce the LAV's base stats while increasing their fitting capacity, maybe even give an extra slot. Then, if you have the skillpoints, you can fit an LAV to have current stats, but you'll have to pay for it on top of your dropsuit.
Also a good option.
The problem isn't people who skill into LAVs and their fittings.
It's the LAVs with no skill investment and ZERO FITTINGS being resilient to AV and small arms, or nothing but militia fittings.
I have to wonder why people are so very rabidly defending a vehicle that can take proto AV shots without fitting a single extender or plate.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.10 18:20:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
You don't have grenadier to 5? I do, and find packed Lai Dais to be kinda fun to use.
So, what, you don't want tankers to be allowed to destroy installations? You want more HP for them again? Or for CCP to add code so that tankers can't destroy installations?
Talking about him being biased, jeez, Judge single-handedly had the railgun range cut in half because he complained on here. What will you complain about next, the railgun being able to shoot infantry when they're standing still?
At least I can count on you to take everything I say out of context.
I just intend to highlight the exploitive uses of free LAVs for everyone by doing nothing but LAV exploits in pubs for the next couple months.
problem will spread and get fixed with or without your cooperation or approval.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:20:00 -
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Honestly making the base HP lower and them making them easier to fit modules into so they can be as effective would be a phenomenal change.
I have no problem with any vehicle being harder to kill.
I have a problem with people being able to use vehicles that are completely UNFIT to gain a significant advantage over anyone.
If LAVs were being fit with militia modules to be able to eat two forge shots?
AWESOME!
Running a vehicle with no extenders, plates or regen and having to utilize more than cursory killing power?
Not a fan.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:25:00 -
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MRBH1997 wrote:I don't see an issue with murder taxis honestly. The only time I die to them is when I decide to cross a large open area with enough level ground for them to have high speed. Or when I get sandwiched between the LAV and another object. I do believe though that the EHP buff they received made them slightly too buffy. Maybe lower EHP a little otherwise they are fine as it is in my book.
I'm the murder taxi driver. things look a little different from my end.
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