DUST Search - so my rail rifle is hot garbage

Crosshairs 916 wrote:

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

Crosshairs 916 wrote:

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

Crosshairs 916 wrote:

ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is.
I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason.

Whats a magsec never heard of it when was it released? Also whats hip fire? I've been around for a while crosshairs 916 and let me ask do you even understand that this post is about the rail rifle? Not bolt pistol not magsec not hmg not sniper rifle not flaylock pistol, but rail rifle. Also wanna go head to head bet i win

How pretentious, challenging me to a duel to stroke your ego. This is an alt of a very early open beta vet, Ive been around a very long time myself. And you missed the entire point of my previous post. The Rail rifle isn't a close range weapon and was never meant to be either. the Magsec is. If you aren't running a logi or a commando, this should be a no brainer. You need close range weapons to back up long ones in close quarters. If you had some reading comprehension skills, you'd understand that.

Ok whats this post about is it originally about the magsec? I cant read so can yout tell me? Oh btw if you actually read my post it was about ads and at range not cqc so who has no reading skills

My post was about the Magsec having superior performance in CQB than the Rail Rifle and being that it's a sidearm and you are a state loyalist, you should use it when in confined spaces instead of trying to use the Rail Rifle all the time. Your OP said nothing about ADS or range other than the fact that you were getting pecked by Breach Plasma Rifles at 60 meters out. Read your own comments before posting.

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Morathi III New Eden Musketeers 242	Posted - 2014.11.09 07:25:00 - [31] - Quote Lol the breach AR is good at long range, even if im a gallente loyalist, i thinked the RR stats was fine tbh, only sometimes the hit detection mechanic in the past appeared to advantage it ,not like ppl whine, addition to this that ppl only armor tank they only use precision or dmg mods has high slots like idiots. The shield give a good resistence against RR, the biger whiner against RR are the gal & amarr scout ... They dont put shield extender so they get 76 shield in factionnal lolz poor incompetent, the cal assaut without plate get destroy easy by AR so the cal assault player adjust in bringing plate a contrast that my poor fellow gallentean brother dont want to do they want to deal more dmg or see more stuff in the tacnet to get an edge. Sorry Jacques but we are in an era of i want more than logic, on this i hope you will stay around a bit more. French Canadian Scrubs scout
Midas Fool Prophets of the Velocirapture 526	Posted - 2014.11.09 09:44:00 - [32] - Quote You guys have no shame. The RR is still one of the strongest weapons in the game to say the least. Caldari crying about ANY of our weapons, even with this nerf, is just pathetic. -Proto CalAssault [Ironically generic forum signature here]
pegasis prime Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1853	Posted - 2014.11.09 10:21:00 - [33] - Quote Iv seen a bit of moaning about the rail rifle but iv found it to be just as deadly the trick is to fire in bursts of 4 or 5 rounds at a time If you have trouble controlling the recoil . Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Michael Arck 6022	Posted - 2014.11.09 11:26:00 - [34] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: You guys have no shame. The RR is still one of the strongest weapons in the game to say the least. Caldari crying about ANY of our weapons, even with this nerf, is just pathetic. -Proto CalAssault Tell that to a SCR user Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 571	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:17:00 - [35] - Quote CCP posted data that the rail rifle was a popular weapon. To make people use other weapons they added the kick feature to make it less enjoyable to use. When it become the least popular weapon they will take the artificial kick away. The alternative is to use the ARR (Assault version) which eats ammo like crazy. Against experienced players the RR already sucked in CQC. I'd try a Breach or Burst AR in the mean time, the new maps are made for these weapons. I love Caldari but I'm taking a break from rail tech because it's stupid on what metric they are balancing the weapon on.. It's kinda like that crap where they decided to remove splash damage from half the weapons in the game.. instead of adding a splash resistance zone to null cannons they just up and nerfed the living crap out of the caldari weapons that use splash. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 343	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:18:00 - [36] - Quote then why did you ***** buy a quafe sentinel C-1 with a full set of BPOs? or are you just mad your bolt pistol isn't OP as ** now? Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
DarthPlagueis TheWise 343	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:20:00 - [37] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: No the other three rifles are all great in cqc ALL OF THEM No, I don't care what some ** head is telling you about the Breach AR, all of the AR variants underperform in CQC. I've been using the AR for over a year now and I ***** guarantee you the hype is BS. People are just happy they can perform decently with it now. Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 572	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:25:00 - [38] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: No the other three rifles are all great in cqc ALL OF THEM No, I don't care what some ** head is telling you about the Breach AR, all of the AR variants underperform in CQC. I've been using the AR for over a year now and I ***** guarantee you the hype is BS. People are just happy they can perform decently with it now. It's psychological .. The AR does better against shields so if your fighting crazy brick tanked heavies or gall suits your at a disadvantage. Up until 1.7 the game was mostly armor tanked players and hardly any real shield users. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 343	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:26:00 - [39] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: It's psychological .. The AR does better against shields so if your fighting crazy brick tanked heavies or gall suits your at a disadvantage. Up until 1.7 the game was mostly armor tanked players and hardly any real shield users. YOU'RE GODDAMN ***** RIGHT IT IS. you Jacques! You Caldari had your time to shine, now it's time you felt the pain of being an inferior race mother ****! Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1251	Posted - 2014.11.10 01:45:00 - [40] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: So as a Caldari loyalist i can now enjoy three things increased charge up( i dont mind), guns that kick like a mule( a little would have been fine but wow), and decreased damage(just noticed). Well i enjoy how everyone is running breach ars which someone told me were cqc but can hit and sting me at +60m. Or the scout spam with shotguns everywhere. Well guess i can do like the community wants I'll just go sit in the redline where they cant reach me. (Really thinking about quiting this game again the scout spam is strong) I assume you don't run a logistics. So i'd suggest using your sidearm for CQC,bolt pistol only though magsec doesn't do enough damage to make it worth it. Unless you like tapping enemies instead of killing them. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 882	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:11:00 - [41] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: from what I read it sounds like it's been overnerfed for like the third time. Yes it has been. All because majority of GDers don't want the RR to win at ANYTHING. Thus is the neverending war of the meta. The RR is really **** now. You don't even play dust and when you do you suck so your opinion is garbage.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:41:00 - [42] - Quote I'm sorry OP, but I call bs. The RR was insane. You say it sucks now -- but I still see people running it and performing very well with it. I still get melted by it at long and medium ranges. The ARR stll eats me at close almost as fast as a good AR or the ACR. Your gun is still good but is no longer easy mode. Be honest here.
Michael Arck 6028	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:56:00 - [43] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: from what I read it sounds like it's been overnerfed for like the third time. Yes it has been. All because majority of GDers don't want the RR to win at ANYTHING. Thus is the neverending war of the meta. The RR is really ** now. You don't even play dust and when you do you suck so your opinion is garbage. Just the same as your fight game IRL. Oh well... Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah** *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1030	Posted - 2014.11.10 03:53:00 - [44] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: then why did you ***** buy a quafe sentinel C-1 with a full set of BPOs? or are you just mad your bolt pistol isn't OP as ** now? Actually no i bought the bpos because i had spare money and decided to purchase them. Also have we played before because sounds like you've tasted my free bpo suit We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Crosshairs 916 DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:06:00 - [45] - Quote ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is. I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1031	Posted - 2014.11.10 05:14:00 - [46] - Quote Crosshairs 916 wrote: ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is. I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason. Whats a magsec never heard of it when was it released? Also whats hip fire? I've been around for a while crosshairs 916 and let me ask do you even understand that this post is about the rail rifle? Not bolt pistol not magsec not hmg not sniper rifle not flaylock pistol, but rail rifle. Also wanna go head to head bet i win We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 165	Posted - 2014.11.10 05:30:00 - [47] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: So as a Caldari loyalist i can now enjoy three things increased charge up( i dont mind), guns that kick like a mule( a little would have been fine but wow), and decreased damage(just noticed). Well i enjoy how everyone is running breach ars which someone told me were cqc but can hit and sting me at +60m. Or the scout spam with shotguns everywhere. Well guess i can do like the community wants I'll just go sit in the redline where they cant reach me. (Really thinking about quiting this game again the scout spam is strong) My rail rifle still works fine. Agree about the scouts though.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2203	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:19:00 - [48] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Crosshairs 916 wrote: ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is. I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason. Whats a magsec never heard of it when was it released? Also whats hip fire? I've been around for a while crosshairs 916 and let me ask do you even understand that this post is about the rail rifle? Not bolt pistol not magsec not hmg not sniper rifle not flaylock pistol, but rail rifle. Also wanna go head to head bet i win lulz, someone tries to be helpful and all you can do is sperg and stroke yourself by challenging them to a duel. Gò¡Gê¬Gò«(Gùú_Gùó)Gò¡Gê¬Gò«
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1780	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:23:00 - [49] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: So as a Caldari loyalist i can now enjoy three things increased charge up( i dont mind), guns that kick like a mule( a little would have been fine but wow), and decreased damage(just noticed). Well i enjoy how everyone is running breach ars which someone told me were cqc but can hit and sting me at +60m. Or the scout spam with shotguns everywhere. Well guess i can do like the community wants I'll just go sit in the redline where they cant reach me. (Really thinking about quiting this game again the scout spam is strong) wait till the tuesday patch to really whine.. but after tuesday the ARR will be better then normal RR for universal work where normal RR will still be great for longer range skirmishing [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1780	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:26:00 - [50] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: I'm sorry OP, but I call bs. The RR was insane. You say it sucks now -- but I still see people running it and performing very well with it. I still get melted by it at long and medium ranges. The ARR stll eats me at close almost as fast as a good AR or the ACR. Your gun is still good but is no longer easy mode. Be honest here. prof 2 and the ARR is 1% better at armor damage vs CR with no prof (15%) just wish they would make the ARR and assault CR available at standard level too so i can run cheaper :P [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7

Crosshairs 916 DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2014.11.10 15:57:00 - [51] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Crosshairs 916 wrote: ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is. I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason. Whats a magsec never heard of it when was it released? Also whats hip fire? I've been around for a while crosshairs 916 and let me ask do you even understand that this post is about the rail rifle? Not bolt pistol not magsec not hmg not sniper rifle not flaylock pistol, but rail rifle. Also wanna go head to head bet i win How pretentious, challenging me to a duel to stroke your ego. This is an alt of a very early open beta vet, Ive been around a very long time myself. And you missed the entire point of my previous post. The Rail rifle isn't a close range weapon and was never meant to be either. the Magsec is. If you aren't running a logi or a commando, this should be a no brainer. You need close range weapons to back up long ones in close quarters. If you had some reading comprehension skills, you'd understand that.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1035	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:15:00 - [52] - Quote Crosshairs 916 wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Crosshairs 916 wrote: ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is. I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason. Whats a magsec never heard of it when was it released? Also whats hip fire? I've been around for a while crosshairs 916 and let me ask do you even understand that this post is about the rail rifle? Not bolt pistol not magsec not hmg not sniper rifle not flaylock pistol, but rail rifle. Also wanna go head to head bet i win How pretentious, challenging me to a duel to stroke your ego. This is an alt of a very early open beta vet, Ive been around a very long time myself. And you missed the entire point of my previous post. The Rail rifle isn't a close range weapon and was never meant to be either. the Magsec is. If you aren't running a logi or a commando, this should be a no brainer. You need close range weapons to back up long ones in close quarters. If you had some reading comprehension skills, you'd understand that. Ok whats this post about is it originally about the magsec? I cant read so can yout tell me? Oh btw if you actually read my post it was about ads and at range not cqc so who has no reading skills We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Ku Shala The Generals 1010	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:32:00 - [53] - Quote the data used to make the nerf doesnt account for heavies, and armour based suits using them out of class I cant cqc my rail but a 1600hp galante heavy can shoot my cal assault with a rail rifle. make bonuses to weapons by race. by this logic used for this balance my caldari assault should be able to fit a combat rifle and kill cqc just as well as a minmatar amar or galante. *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 645	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:37:00 - [54] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: So as a Caldari loyalist i can now enjoy three things increased charge up( i dont mind), guns that kick like a mule( a little would have been fine but wow), and decreased damage(just noticed). Well i enjoy how everyone is running breach ars which someone told me were cqc but can hit and sting me at +60m. Or the scout spam with shotguns everywhere. Well guess i can do like the community wants I'll just go sit in the redline where they cant reach me. (Really thinking about quiting this game again the scout spam is strong) wait till the tuesday patch to really whine.. but after tuesday the ARR will be better then normal RR for universal work where normal RR will still be great for longer range skirmishing Pretty sure that patch is already live. The passive reps are back and RR feels like more than 0.5 hipfire kick.
Crosshairs 916 DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:43:00 - [55] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Crosshairs 916 wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Crosshairs 916 wrote: ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is. I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason. Whats a magsec never heard of it when was it released? Also whats hip fire? I've been around for a while crosshairs 916 and let me ask do you even understand that this post is about the rail rifle? Not bolt pistol not magsec not hmg not sniper rifle not flaylock pistol, but rail rifle. Also wanna go head to head bet i win How pretentious, challenging me to a duel to stroke your ego. This is an alt of a very early open beta vet, Ive been around a very long time myself. And you missed the entire point of my previous post. The Rail rifle isn't a close range weapon and was never meant to be either. the Magsec is. If you aren't running a logi or a commando, this should be a no brainer. You need close range weapons to back up long ones in close quarters. If you had some reading comprehension skills, you'd understand that. Ok whats this post about is it originally about the magsec? I cant read so can yout tell me? Oh btw if you actually read my post it was about ads and at range not cqc so who has no reading skills My post was about the Magsec having superior performance in CQB than the Rail Rifle and being that it's a sidearm and you are a state loyalist, you should use it when in confined spaces instead of trying to use the Rail Rifle all the time. Your OP said nothing about ADS or range other than the fact that you were getting pecked by Breach Plasma Rifles at 60 meters out. Read your own comments before posting.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1038	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:05:00 - [56] - Quote Crosshairs 916 wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Crosshairs 916 wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Crosshairs 916 wrote: ITT: OP doesn't know what the Magsec SMG is. I use it with one level put into it, and it works fine. If you use it like a mini AR, and use a proper application of cover in close quarters, it's a fine compliment to the Rail Rifle on a Caldari suit when your target gets to close. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the meaning of hip-fire. It's low kick with a high magazine capacity for a reason. Whats a magsec never heard of it when was it released? Also whats hip fire? I've been around for a while crosshairs 916 and let me ask do you even understand that this post is about the rail rifle? Not bolt pistol not magsec not hmg not sniper rifle not flaylock pistol, but rail rifle. Also wanna go head to head bet i win How pretentious, challenging me to a duel to stroke your ego. This is an alt of a very early open beta vet, Ive been around a very long time myself. And you missed the entire point of my previous post. The Rail rifle isn't a close range weapon and was never meant to be either. the Magsec is. If you aren't running a logi or a commando, this should be a no brainer. You need close range weapons to back up long ones in close quarters. If you had some reading comprehension skills, you'd understand that. Ok whats this post about is it originally about the magsec? I cant read so can yout tell me? Oh btw if you actually read my post it was about ads and at range not cqc so who has no reading skills My post was about the Magsec having superior performance in CQB than the Rail Rifle and being that it's a sidearm and you are a state loyalist, you should use it when in confined spaces instead of trying to use the Rail Rifle all the time. Your OP said nothing about ADS or range other than the fact that you were getting pecked by Breach Plasma Rifles at 60 meters out. Read your own comments before posting. Let me ask again. What was i complaining about? A rail rifle B magsec C bolt pistol We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Crosshairs 916 DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:35:00 - [57] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Let me ask again. What was i complaining about? A rail rifle B magsec C bolt pistol The problem is A The solution is B It's that simple.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 342	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:46:00 - [58] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Ok whats this post about is it originally about the magsec? I cant read so can yout tell me? Oh btw if you actually read my post it was about ads and at range not cqc so who has no reading skills I know RR isn't optimum in CQC and I don't think it is supposed to. But honestly it feels like the RR is still pretty good at range. I stll get caught and killed by it long range a fair amount if I'm not careful about being in the open. I've only got 1 point into it but once in a while when I feel like smurfing one I do pretty good at distance.
iKILLu osborne Kirjuun Heiian 455	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:02:00 - [59] - Quote recently skilled rr to 5 prof. 3, cryed 3 days later at the horrible kick and having to use smg cqc as a main weapon then switch to my rr as a sidearm. then come here to qq lp cal scout i demand it kirjuun heiian now recruiting cal loyalist


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