Recent updates have left me feeling somewhat jaded and overall concerned for the future of dust as well.

Loyalty ranks and Market sales while overall good ideas, seem to be designed in such a manner that they say **** you to anyone who isn't willing to dump money on the game. Yes I understand that you're not really 'losing' on anything with them being present as opposed to not existing.

Changes seem to cater to whoever can shout the loudest on the forums about something rather than actual in-depth analysis what is or isn't functioning with something, and why or why not it would need to be changed. Eg. Dropships, Nanite injectors, RR's, scouts and small missiles will very likely be on the chopping block soon.

I'm incredibly bothered by the state of rail rifles and their hipfire (60 to 140 degrees of kick! when any other 'service' rifle has less than 5) to 'balance' their range (if range is such a problem nerf the ****ing range!).

While it is somewhat re-assuring to know that they can patch dust, this recent patch has left me with the gut feeling of 'this was a cash-grab and recanted on a lot of things that shouldn't exist - like respecs'.

I have felt for a while and stated several times I think CCP is preparing itself to be sold.

I don't believe they have the capital or resources to bring Legion to life.

The recent trend to monetizing everything possible like BPO's, respec, customization plans etc is to show a potential buyer they are as profitable as possible.

This scenario makes the most sense for every one involved.

You guys forgot your tin foil hats this morning! Smh. You cry out demanding content and once you get it you claim that they're selling out. I see them making more items for sale with aur and I see them improving their f2p Model. If dust or legion was dead we would not see a shred of a hot fix or a new patch.

You guys forgot your tin foil hats this morning! Smh. You cry out demanding content and once you get it you claim that they're selling out. I see them making more items for sale with aur and I see them improving their f2p Model. If dust or legion was dead we would not see a shred of a hot fix or a new patch.

"Tin foil hat" references and "smh" are for kids or mental midgets.

Your last sentence makes not a shred of business sense.

The adults are trying to have an intelligent discussion. Move along.

You either didnt read my post or just didnt understand it so let me elaborate. This has less to do with marketing and more to do with what the future holds. Obviously CCP wants revenue to keep it going but if they were doing well then it wouldnt be necessary to keep everything tight lipped.

Think about it for a second... A game is to be released, you hype it up. You market it rampantly. Theres the possibility for overhype but nothing gets accomplished if no-one knows what youre trying to sell.

Bringing up "aurum" and "bpo sales" has nothing to do with CCP's long term if the revenue is being spent on the short term. If Dust is doing great, thats even worse because then were admitting that the game should keep going until the last PS3 fan spins. There is no longevity in that at all and we need to see through the short term feel good of balancing hotfixes and small updates and look toward the eventual horizon of what all of this means.

Ill say again, what is the ten year plan? What is the five year plan? Because Dust 514 likely wont be around that long and likewise shouldnt.

It's certainly plausible. Maybe not CCP selling it's entire company and/or merging with another but it's possible they might sell the rights to Dust 514.

Ahh, to be content with mediocrity

Mediocrity is opinIon in this case. I can't stand CoD for its simplicity. PS2 feels pointless. For me, those two would be selling for mediocrity. The quality of this game is opinIon based, not factual.

Why does eve have a ten year plan and dust dOesn't? Because eve was out for ten years before they announced their first ten year plan. I can't thinkof any fpsmmorpg that has a ten year plan or even a five year one. Ccp doesn't have one year plan as I suspect ccp will be releasing legion. When ccp was confronted with fears that dust would die they did announce a one year plan. It wasn't detailed or specific but they had one.

Mediocrity is opinIon in this case. I can't stand CoD for its simplicity. PS2 feels pointless. For me, those two would be selling for mediocrity. The quality of this game is opinIon based, not factual.

Why does eve have a ten year plan and dust dOesn't? Because eve was out for ten years before they announced their first ten year plan. I can't thinkof any fpsmmorpg that has a ten year plan or even a five year one. Ccp doesn't have one year plan as I suspect ccp will be releasing legion. When ccp was confronted with fears that dust would die they did announce a one year plan. It wasn't detailed or specific but they had one.

[u]What is CCP Shanghai's mid-term and long-term goals for EITHER game?

Let's have a look in that SOONGäó-LONGTERM ROADMAP document.

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or in other words: don't expect an answer, at least not an honest one.

I don't understand why they are afraid to trust their fans. Yes, the industry is competitive, yes you might be behind in technology, but you don't do yourselves any favors with gag orders and secret development plans. CCP should know better than anyone that they can sell a vision and a dream and all we need is occasional roadmap updates... If you don't tell us Legion is "greenlit" then we assume it was redlit. Then what?

Point is, threads like these aren't going to cause them to come out and tell you just because of loosely sourced extrapolations. Speculate all you want, but we'll get Legion. And it'll be great. Just because you aren't getting the information you want, doesn't mean that what you want isn't coming.

Point is, threads like these aren't going to cause them to come out and tell you just because of loosely sourced extrapolations. Speculate all you want, but we'll get Legion. And it'll be great. Just because you aren't getting the information you want, doesn't mean that what you want isn't coming.

Who do we hold accountable? Are you the CEO of CCP? They aren't forcing you to play their game, so I suppose that only leaves you to hold yourself accountable.

Actually, if you guys go over to the Feedback/Suggestions Forum, you'll see that they're working on the Commandos and Logis next in the hotfixes. And as was said previously, before they add more content they need to balance what is here. Obviously Logis and Commandos aren't balanced quite right, that's why CPM is taking input on it now for CCP.

Before CCP can add more content that you're searching for and so very impatient for, they need to balance what is here. I understand that you're upset because we weren't delivered what was promised when it was said to be. But every game goes through this. Everything gets pushed back. Release dates, etc.

I don't know that we'll get Legion for a 100% fact. But being that Rouge and Rattati JUST said they have a team working on it in Shanghai RIGHT now, means that they're still putting money into it which means that they're working on bringing it to us. So sit, down, play DUST, 'have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up' :) the last quote was from Eddie Murphy but eh, I'm all about references ;)

And everything you just mentioned is still short-term planning. You realize that right? Commando/Logi balance and whatever imaginary content that comes after 'everything is balanced' but not actually coming because (again) we have no active development on Dust 514? It's all short-term planning. Like, less than a year. Less than six months, actually. None of that balance even matters though because it doesn't -apply- to Legion. Balance on a PC game with as different gameplay as we saw at Fanfest and as we were shown else-where... You can't just port everything from Dust 514 to Legion and expect it to work flawlessly. It's naive.

You're missing the point -entirely- and that's what is so frustrating because I know that if you are missing the point then at least ten other people in the community are as well. It shouldn't matter if I'm the CEO of CCP, the Executive Producer of CCP Shanghai, or just a nobody player; the questions are still there and the answers have not been given. Constantly deflecting with this rhetoric about it "being in development" and "just sit down and enjoy it for what it is" is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Why should we worry about it? Because it's -our- game, it's -our- stories, and it's -our- legacy. But further more, without us, no-one in CCP Shanghai has a job and it's all pointless anyway. Trying to shoo away the player-base with this sort of talk can do absolutely -nothing good- and having blind faith in the situation to resolve itself has not, does not, and will not result in a good outcome.

We have every right to ask these questions when CCP themselves established the groundwork for a long-term, competitive game and advertised it as such.

Aeon,

I understand the points you are making and it is a valid and interesting discussion. So do others.

You will also noticed I bowed out of the thread instead of beating my head against the wall trying to fix stupid.

The people that get it, get it. Don't worry about those that are not savable.

It's a triage situation in here.

Even if it weren't true it's still a hilarious way to put it

I honestly just wish more people spoke out about it instead of becoming distracted with the little short-term shinnies. Here's to hoping that this thread reaches the community and provokes them to ask the hard questions.