DUST Search - Scrutinizing the Long-Term of CCP Shanghai

Aeon Amadi wrote:

137H4RGIC wrote:

You guys forgot your tin foil hats this morning! Smh. You cry out demanding content and once you get it you claim that they're selling out. I see them making more items for sale with aur and I see them improving their f2p Model. If dust or legion was dead we would not see a shred of a hot fix or a new patch.

You either didnt read my post or just didnt understand it so let me elaborate. This has less to do with marketing and more to do with what the future holds. Obviously CCP wants revenue to keep it going but if they were doing well then it wouldnt be necessary to keep everything tight lipped.

Think about it for a second... A game is to be released, you hype it up. You market it rampantly. Theres the possibility for overhype but nothing gets accomplished if no-one knows what youre trying to sell.

Bringing up "aurum" and "bpo sales" has nothing to do with CCP's long term if the revenue is being spent on the short term. If Dust is doing great, thats even worse because then were admitting that the game should keep going until the last PS3 fan spins. There is no longevity in that at all and we need to see through the short term feel good of balancing hotfixes and small updates and look toward the eventual horizon of what all of this means.

Ill say again, what is the ten year plan? What is the five year plan? Because Dust 514 likely wont be around that long and likewise shouldnt.


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137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 278	Posted - 2014.11.08 06:07:00 - [1] - Quote You guys forgot your tin foil hats this morning! Smh D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 278	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:35:00 - [2] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: You guys forgot your tin foil hats this morning! Smh. You cry out demanding content and once you get it you claim that they're selling out. I see them making more items for sale with aur and I see them improving their f2p Model. If dust or legion was dead we would not see a shred of a hot fix or a new patch. "Tin foil hat" references and "smh" are for kids or mental midgets. Your last sentence makes not a shred of business sense. The adults are trying to have an intelligent discussion. Move along. Then you should probably leave the conversation and go back to school. But thanks for dropping by. D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 278	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:43:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: You guys forgot your tin foil hats this morning! Smh. You cry out demanding content and once you get it you claim that they're selling out. I see them making more items for sale with aur and I see them improving their f2p Model. If dust or legion was dead we would not see a shred of a hot fix or a new patch. You either didnt read my post or just didnt understand it so let me elaborate. This has less to do with marketing and more to do with what the future holds. Obviously CCP wants revenue to keep it going but if they were doing well then it wouldnt be necessary to keep everything tight lipped. Think about it for a second... A game is to be released, you hype it up. You market it rampantly. Theres the possibility for overhype but nothing gets accomplished if no-one knows what youre trying to sell. Bringing up "aurum" and "bpo sales" has nothing to do with CCP's long term if the revenue is being spent on the short term. If Dust is doing great, thats even worse because then were admitting that the game should keep going until the last PS3 fan spins. There is no longevity in that at all and we need to see through the short term feel good of balancing hotfixes and small updates and look toward the eventual horizon of what all of this means. Ill say again, what is the ten year plan? What is the five year plan? Because Dust 514 likely wont be around that long and likewise shouldnt. I understand your concerns. I used to have then myself and would tirelessly stress what I was putting my money into abd what the game was going to turn out to be or not. But then I recovered how tight lipped they were about eve before it came out. And how tight lipped they have been about valkyrie. And then I realized. If I keep waiting for dust to be the game I want to be I'm never going to enjoy the game they provided. So what did I do? I picked up the controller, had a coke and a smileI shut the **** up, and enjoy the game. If I have ideas for cup I'll post them accordingly. It is my opinion though that this game is far from dead as we have seen four hot fixes since fan fest and one major content patch. To me that shows a pulse. So sit back and enjoy their game. We aren't share holders and ccp would never sell rights of any if their intellectual property or otherwise ergo the tinfoil hat comment. D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 278	Posted - 2014.11.08 18:07:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ahh, to be content with mediocrity Mediocrity is opinIon in this case. I can't stand CoD for its simplicity. PS2 feels pointless. For me, those two would be selling for mediocrity. The quality of this game is opinIon based, not factual. Why does eve have a ten year plan and dust dOesn't? Because eve was out for ten years before they announced their first ten year plan. I can't thinkof any fpsmmorpg that has a ten year plan or even a five year one. Ccp doesn't have one year plan as I suspect ccp will be releasing legion. When ccp was confronted with fears that dust would die they did announce a one year plan. It wasn't detailed or specific but they had one. D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 279	Posted - 2014.11.08 22:49:00 - [5] - Quote Point is, threads like these aren't going to cause them to come out and tell you just because of loosely sourced extrapolations. Speculate all you want, but we'll get Legion. And it'll be great. Just because you aren't getting the information you want, doesn't mean that what you want isn't coming. D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 279	Posted - 2014.11.09 01:06:00 - [6] - Quote Who do we hold accountable? Are you the CEO of CCP? They aren't forcing you to play their game, so I suppose that only leaves you to hold yourself accountable. Actually, if you guys go over to the Feedback/Suggestions Forum, you'll see that they're working on the Commandos and Logis next in the hotfixes. And as was said previously, before they add more content they need to balance what is here. Obviously Logis and Commandos aren't balanced quite right, that's why CPM is taking input on it now for CCP. Before CCP can add more content that you're searching for and so very impatient for, they need to balance what is here. I understand that you're upset because we weren't delivered what was promised when it was said to be. But every game goes through this. Everything gets pushed back. Release dates, etc. I don't know that we'll get Legion for a 100% fact. But being that Rouge and Rattati JUST said they have a team working on it in Shanghai RIGHT now, means that they're still putting money into it which means that they're working on bringing it to us. So sit, down, play DUST, 'have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up' :) the last quote was from Eddie Murphy but eh, I'm all about references ;) D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 279	Posted - 2014.11.09 02:29:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Aeon, I understand the points you are making and it is a valid and interesting discussion. So do others. You will also noticed I bowed out of the thread instead of beating my head against the wall trying to fix stupid. The people that get it, get it. Don't worry about those that are not savable. It's a triage situation in here. Even if it weren't true it's still a hilarious way to put it I honestly just wish more people spoke out about it instead of becoming distracted with the little short-term shinnies. Here's to hoping that this thread reaches the community and provokes them to ask the hard questions. It's CCP's game. Not yours. If you're not satisfied with content they're releasing now, nothing will be good for you. You want your candy and you want it now. Jump up and down harder, hold your breath and bite your arm. Because it'll be here when it's ready. Not when you want it. :) Maybe if I get you a bottle, you'll be happier, eh? D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 279	Posted - 2014.11.09 02:32:00 - [8] - Quote Besides, if people were going to actually quit dust and not just flame about it over the forums like they usually do, they would've done so over the summer. But, to my surprise this fall, they haven't. Same numbers are online every day on dust as they have been before fanfest. D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 279	Posted - 2014.11.09 03:04:00 - [9] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: Maybe if I get you a bottle, you'll be happier, eh? Can I get one too, I prefer rum, any kind is good. Also Aeon, the fact that you're still asking the hard questions after months of silence is remarkable. However I doubt the community can see past these short term goals anymore. Most of the people who cared either moved on or stopped. I'm sorry, we don't spike bottles of milk for babies. They just get formula. D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...