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DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 218	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:29:00 - [1] - Quote with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4413	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:45:00 - [2] - Quote You know what's ironic? I started running cloaked shotgun scout just two days before. Lol
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1681	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:47:00 - [3] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 dont worry im sure ccp will adjust the cloak delay.. in the meantime why not run a gal logi (level 5) with 2 focused scanners so you can see the sneeky crutch scrubs [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 219	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:49:00 - [4] - Quote @Apothecary Za'ki Because of cores XD. I have to many dropsuits and need to finish getting my own cloak, and passive armor and shields. Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1684	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:49:00 - [5] - Quote i hope no one mentions the Full auto shotgun which is comming... [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 592	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:50:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 dont worry im sure ccp will adjust the cloak delay.. in the meantime why not run a gal logi (level 5) with 2 focused scanners so you can see the sneeky crutch scrubs Yup Rattati just sent a word about upcoming nerf with delay, just few hours ago do not worry boyo "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1684	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:54:00 - [7] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: @Apothecary Za'ki Because of cores XD. I have to many dropsuits and need to finish getting my own cloak, and passive armor and shields. gal anything + reactive armor + token plate or 2.. but yeah im trying to beast my way through this 750k sp so i can cap my cores just finished armor upgrades, doing shield then biotic then i may get my ewar skills to level 3 each or something. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1684	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:54:00 - [8] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 dont worry im sure ccp will adjust the cloak delay.. in the meantime why not run a gal logi (level 5) with 2 focused scanners so you can see the sneeky crutch scrubs Yup Rattati just sent a word about upcoming nerf with delay, just few hours ago do not worry boyo really?! all hail rattatti! our lord and savior! [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 219	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:55:00 - [9] - Quote @postapo wastelander Ok boyo :) Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 775	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:55:00 - [10] - Quote I can one hit kill things right out of the cloak too... With my PLC. Thoug I think the most frustrating part about cloak/shotgun is that they can pop 3-4 guys with a single clip. I think they should Nerf clip size a bit, maybe same as militia (6) so you can't clear an entire squad solo in one run, it should take a few passes to clear a squad. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1320	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:56:00 - [11] - Quote +1 for not crying about the breach AR AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1320	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:58:00 - [12] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: I can one hit kill things right out of the cloak too... With my PLC. Thoug I think the most frustrating part about cloak/shotgun is that they can pop 3-4 guys with a single clip. I think they should Nerf clip size a bit, maybe same as militia (6) so you can't clear an entire squad solo in one run, it should take a few passes to clear a squad. wow that squad must really suck to get wiped by 1 single scout.. did not one of them have HD TV? AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 325	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:58:00 - [13] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 I think you are blaming the wrong thing. It's not the shotgun imo. It's not even the cloak. If a scout sneaks up on you and shotguns them good on them and too bad for you. But if you see them coming and STILL can't kill them then there is a problem. Currently, you can see a scout coming and often can't shoot them down. That's the problem.
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 220	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:59:00 - [14] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: +1 for not crying about the breach AR Breach ar doesn't have that big of range and is easily countered in CQC. Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 220	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:01:00 - [15] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 I think you are blaming the wrong thing. It's not the shotgun imo. It's not even the cloak. If a scout sneaks up on you and shotguns them good on them and too bad for you. But if you see them coming and STILL can't kill them then there is a problem. Currently, you can see a scout coming and often can't shoot them down. That's the problem. I can't see all of them but I see most of them. Mostly I hear them decloak behind me. I try to get as far from them as possible but with the fast rof , I am helpless. If you read my post you would have understood that I am complaining about the SG scout spam. I can't see everybody too. Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
Magewarlord Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:04:00 - [16] - Quote it's a shame really. I feel the same way and it's usually for the noobs. I'd hate for new people to get deterred from continuing to play because this game is already dying so we need new people to be able to come in and have some fun and stick around. However all online games will have the problem of players abusing mechanics and cheap tactics etc. The reasons vary too. Some like to stoke their ego by having high k/d or stats. Some just get a hard-on by angering other people; gives them a laugh and these type think because it's just a game that it's ok to have sinister and negative intentions (they miss the point). The word "trolling" seems to be attractive to internet "kids". Camping is one of those things I just can't bring myself to do because I don't want to be one of those cheapskate jerks. Plus it's just not satisfying just sitting there waiting for some poor victim to spawn or walk around the corner; I'm pleased when I out-skill someone for the kill, THAT'S when it gets fun and satisfying. The bottom line is that any online game (shooters especially) will have people who ruin it for the rest of us. They don't care if people think it's cheap, they don't care if you get pissed off, they don't care if they ruin the game. This is just how (unfortunately) our society is; people looking out only for themselves at the expense of others.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 748	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:05:00 - [17] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 And I hate Heavy suits with HMG's but I never make threads crying about them. Maybe I should since it seems that's how things get done around here. Sorry to hear you are leaving DUST. Good luck in your future endeavors and stay gold, Ponyboy. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 906	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:09:00 - [18] - Quote Shotgun Scouts are the easiest easy mode I can recall. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 221	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:12:00 - [19] - Quote @Eruditus 920 I never said I quited DUST ... It is still my favorite game . Just that I am sick of shotgun scouts that is all. I don't cry. I leave thoughts. That's how the dev's know what is going on inside of your head. Don't expect a change to your heavy if you say nothing. Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:16:00 - [20] - Quote Whats funny is cloak delay will make no difference.. Whats going to happen is weapons in the future will give a modifier to profile. This way all the noobs will be able to see shotgunners cause they will be giving off a high profile. Is it far.. no not really cause if you play enough shot gunners don't matter cause you can sense them. Then this will be a balancing factor... so when a weapon gets popular they will add more profile modifier to the weapon so it becomes less popular. PS. I added the shotgun to most of my suits now the RR was hit by the magic nerf bat. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.

BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 306	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:26:00 - [21] - Quote Shotgun scouts is what you call easy mode. Resembles back to the mass driver way back when aim assist wasn't in the game. A longer delay would be nice. Also I have an idea maybe a stupid one, but here goes. Since it's really easy for scouts to sneak up and insta kill people, how about implementing a sound or noise when approached at a certain distance. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:38:00 - [22] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 And introducing the auto shotgun in the future....
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5393	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:39:00 - [23] - Quote The Barbershop is ******* cancer. I love how we finally had Active Scanners that were worth using and then they bitched and now they're getting nerfed even harder than they were before. Do Scout and Heavy players buy more AURUM? Should I just stop hoping CCP might someday listen to someone other than Scout and Heavy players? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 267	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:45:00 - [24] - Quote I pulled out my knives to have a duel with another scout with knives, so he pulls out his shotgun. I wish scouts were still honourable. Same thing is happening with heavies. In beta they would squat and ADS and let the best heavy win but know when i attempt to do this other heavies strafe like scouts and i can't hit a single shot. This happened when i was in a 1500hp adv gal sentinel and a quafe c-1 with a basic hmg shows up at a distance. I squat and aim like a proper honourable heavy and he strafes all the shots and kills me. 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7) `- Open Beta Vet - 31mil sp -` R.I.P Dust 514
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2299	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:49:00 - [25] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i hope no one mentions the Full auto shotgun which is comming... I could live with that.....as soon as i get my full auto Flaylok PSN: RationalSpark
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1325	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:53:00 - [26] - Quote Magewarlord wrote: it's a shame really. I feel the same way and it's usually for the noobs. I'd hate for new people to get deterred from continuing to play because this game is already dying so we need new people to be able to come in and have some fun and stick around. However all online games will have the problem of players abusing mechanics and cheap tactics etc. The reasons vary too. Some like to stoke their ego by having high k/d or stats. Some just get a hard-on by angering other people; gives them a laugh and these type think because it's just a game that it's ok to have sinister and negative intentions (they miss the point). The word "trolling" seems to be attractive to internet "kids". Camping is one of those things I just can't bring myself to do because I don't want to be one of those cheapskate jerks. Plus it's just not satisfying just sitting there waiting for some poor victim to spawn or walk around the corner; I'm pleased when I out-skill someone for the kill, THAT'S when it gets fun and satisfying. The bottom line is that any online game (shooters especially) will have people who ruin it for the rest of us. They don't care if people think it's cheap, they don't care if you get pissed off, they don't care if they ruin the game. This is just how (unfortunately) our society is; people looking out only for themselves at the expense of others. the poor victim waiting to spawn has an invisibility crutch that wasn't always there.. this isn't an MMORPG where you click on duel to PVP someone else. the only players experience ruined are carebears who dont belong in a PVP game in the 1rst place. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 887	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:55:00 - [27] - Quote Shotguns as weapons are fine. Scouts are the issue. Their passive scan stats need to be brought up to par with other suits. They scould be forced to fit at least 1 Range extender and 1 Precision enhancer if they expect to scan anything but Sentinels. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Bri Bub Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 69	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:03:00 - [28] - Quote Magewarlord wrote: ...Some just get a hard-on by angering other people; gives them a laugh and these type think because it's just a game that it's ok to have sinister and negative intentions (they miss the point). The word "trolling"... I can't help but to keep thinking, "who is it that posts that 'trolling noobs' DUST 514 YouTube series?" I enjoy those vids btw but wonder if the slightest double-standard is being applied by the OP... Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1260	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:15:00 - [29] - Quote Give REs the same thrown alert that grenades get. Make the decloaking noise super loud.
D4GG3R 494	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:18:00 - [30] - Quote On the bright side, assault suits annihilate scouts if you have situational awareness :) I'm pretty plain. I watch anime for the boobs

Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 907	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:36:00 - [31] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: the poor victim waiting to spawn has an invisibility crutch that wasn't always there.. this isn't an MMORPG where you click on duel to PVP someone else. the only players experience ruined are carebears who dont belong in a PVP game in the 1rst place. Give me PvE, I'll happily leave all of the Shotgun Scouts to the PvP. This isn't a PvP game, it's a sandbox, or supposed to be anyway. But the only thing we're allowed to do is PvP. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Kuruld Sengar Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 27	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:36:00 - [32] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Whats funny is cloak delay will make no difference.. Whats going to happen is weapons in the future will give a modifier to profile. This way all the noobs will be able to see shotgunners cause they will be giving off a high profile. Is it far.. no not really cause if you play enough shot gunners don't matter cause you can sense them. Then this will be a balancing factor... so when a weapon gets popular they will add more profile modifier to the weapon so it becomes less popular. PS. I added the shotgun to most of my suits now the RR was hit by the magic nerf bat. Why not try any other racial weapons? RR (foty) gets nerfed, so switch to #2 on the op/troll leaderboard?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10165	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:50:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati has already started looking into increasing the cloak delay in the coming hotfix. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.11.08 02:52:00 - [34] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: Imp Smash wrote: DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 I think you are blaming the wrong thing. It's not the shotgun imo. It's not even the cloak. If a scout sneaks up on you and shotguns them good on them and too bad for you. But if you see them coming and STILL can't kill them then there is a problem. Currently, you can see a scout coming and often can't shoot them down. That's the problem. I can't see all of them but I see most of them. Mostly I hear them decloak behind me. I try to get as far from them as possible but with the fast rof , I am helpless. If you read my post you would have understood that I am complaining about the SG scout spam. I can't see everybody too. Well no one expects you to see all of them. The reason that scout shotguns are a thing is not that you can sneak up and kill people easily. You could always do that and cloaking makes it a bit easier. However, even with cloak you can still catch em a fair amount of the time if you are aware of your surroundings enough. As you yourself said, you can see most of them. Mostly, they decloak behind you. That means they snuck up on you. You will be at a disadvantage which is what is intended (it is a shotgun after all.) But surely you see a scout cloaked and running out in the field sometimes right? Or sometimes not even cloaked -- just running around with a Combat rifle. If you read MY post you would understand that oftentimes you shoot them and do no damage. That is, according to my completely subjective opinion, a problem. If scouts didn't ignore damage like they do they wouldn't be slaying everything and you wouldn't see scout sg spam. Sure thanks to cloak you WOULD see scout shotgunners -- but only people dedicated to the playstyle. You wouldn't see scout Assaults, scout logis, and you might actually see scout scouts once again...
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 217	Posted - 2014.11.08 02:53:00 - [35] - Quote Jesus lol the cloak delay doesn't matter you will not see a scout stocking you. The cloak is pretty much only being used by shotgun and strife scouts as is which were the issue in the first place. Increasing the delay will just further the problem because the time to kill remains the same. Current sg ttk .34s rifle ttk 2.5 not counting reaction time so that leaves more than a 2 second disparity and even if it was balanced around shotgun scout alone it would just nerf everyone out of using cloak instead of everyone but shotgun/strife scouts. I wish... I wish I was not the only one that could see. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 181	Posted - 2014.11.08 02:59:00 - [36] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go BLOOOP ! , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes. I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible. I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea. Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish. Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field . o7 Spec into vehicles. Get specialised vehicles before they would possibly get changed for balance. Or make your MLT fits overpowered. Roll in a tank, spawn your whole team in the best areas as soon as possible. Kill people. When you hear someone planting RES on your tank jump out of the tank and shoot them.(Most likely a scout) This is what I do and even if it's risky I have yet to be killed from doing it. Scout revengence complete.
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:15:00 - [37] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i hope no one mentions the Full auto shotgun which is comming... itll be comming in everyones mouth whether they like it or not.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2206	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:21:00 - [38] - Quote You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it? If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. PSN Sil4ntChaozz *Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator* Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0/'Sever'
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 227	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:42:00 - [39] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it? If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage . Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2778	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:48:00 - [40] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: +1 for not crying about the breach AR Breach ar doesn't have that big of range and is easily countered in CQC. Thats the exact weakness of the shotgun... BrAR> SG "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2779	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:49:00 - [41] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it? If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage . Bro, come play with me and learn the ways to counter SGers....its so easy, you'll never complain again. Id post info right now, but I don't want to be useless against anyone who happens to read this "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2206	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:50:00 - [42] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it? If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage . Just ditch the cloak. More rewarding plus more fun. But wether you use cloak or not you will still be labelled 'scrub' PSN Sil4ntChaozz *Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator* Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0/'Sever'
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 228	Posted - 2014.11.08 04:04:00 - [43] - Quote Lol you counter them with dampened ewar scouts or heavies ( a lot of them ! ) Scanners aswell ! Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1344	Posted - 2014.11.08 04:19:00 - [44] - Quote I feel your pain. Those games earlier were just horrible and it seems like in just a few days I've gone from loving scouts to hating them and wanting to see the nerf hammer hit everything around that playstyle like a whack from Mj+¦lnir. Actually tempted to spec into a Gal logi at this point, just to have a chance at countering the little ***** who run around with their cloak/shotgun combo, but I don't feel like buying a respec to do that and I'm crazy far away from that kind of SP. Still... I'm trying to blame "team balancing" over the scout issue. It wouldn't be so bad having two good squads going against each other, but all these games where the scout squad rapes the other team, there's nothing on that team to fight back or help. I want to punch.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4423	Posted - 2014.11.08 06:11:00 - [45] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: DAAAA BEAST wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it? If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage . Just ditch the cloak. More rewarding plus more fun. But wether you use cloak or not you will still be labelled 'scrub' I wouldn't exactly say more fun. Rewarding, sure, but the cloak brings me a few giggles every now and again... ... like when a whole squad just runs besides me when i stood still. Glorious.
Michael Arck 5997	Posted - 2014.11.08 08:53:00 - [46] - Quote The solution people really want? To gimp scout suits to the point of unplayability so that the mass crowd that uses them find them no longer usable only leaving the dedicated players to the suit, thus lessening their population. Yet the headache will carry on because a scout is going to scout. The scout discussion is like hunting for the golden fleece Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Georgia Xavier Redblade Clan 0	Posted - 2014.11.08 09:14:00 - [47] - Quote Magewarlord wrote: it's a shame really. I feel the same way and it's usually for the noobs. I'd hate for new people to get deterred from continuing to play because this game is already dying so we need new people to be able to come in and have some fun and stick around. However all online games will have the problem of players abusing mechanics and cheap tactics etc. The reasons vary too. Some like to stoke their ego by having high k/d or stats. Some just get a hard-on by angering other people; gives them a laugh and these type think because it's just a game that it's ok to have sinister and negative intentions (they miss the point). The word "trolling" seems to be attractive to internet "kids". Camping is one of those things I just can't bring myself to do because I don't want to be one of those cheapskate jerks. Plus it's just not satisfying just sitting there waiting for some poor victim to spawn or walk around the corner; I'm pleased when I out-skill someone for the kill, THAT'S when it gets fun and satisfying. The bottom line is that any online game (shooters especially) will have people who ruin it for the rest of us. They don't care if people think it's cheap, they don't care if you get pissed off, they don't care if they ruin the game. This is just how (unfortunately) our society is; people looking out only for themselves at the expense of others. I'd give you a round of applause for that speech if I could


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